Obama supporters. I have one question

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2473349
I thought the way you do before I looked into Obama's record.
He voted against the bill that would have made it a federal crime to take a minor girl across state lines for an abortion to avoid a state's parental consent or notification laws.
While in the Illinois legislature he stated the position of banning all handguns and Semi Auto weapons.
Just those two issues make him unacceptable to me and I ain't all that conservative.
But there's more
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2007/...as-tax-policy/
Obama’s “Tax Policy”
Presidential candidate Barack Obama introduced his tax plan in a speech yesterday. Unfortunately, it overflowed with bad ideas. First, Obama’s plan to increase dividend and capital gains taxes is out of step with global tax realities. Virtually all of the 30 major industrial nations provide relief for capital gains and dividend taxes. Indeed, a dozen major nations have capital gains tax rates of zero percent. And if the current dividend tax cut expires, the United States would have the highest dividend tax rate among major nations.
Second, Obama hasn’t got his math right. He claims that there is “$1 trillion worth of loopholes in the corporate tax code.” That is ridiculous. The entire corporate income tax collected only $372 billion in 2007.
Third, Obama proposed special tax breaks for seniors, which would take 7 million more elderly completely off the tax rolls. But that would inject a very unfair element of age discrimination into the tax code. Old folks are already taking young folks to the cleaners in terms of federal fiscal policy. Obama would make the injustice worse, yet he had the chutzpah to claim in his tax speech: “It’s time to stand up to the special interest carve outs.”
Fourth, Obama proposed a new payroll tax credit, but the tax code already has a huge program designed to offset the payroll tax—the Earned Income Tax Credit. Adding a new low-income tax “cut” on top would result in millions of people who already don’t pay any income tax getting an added $500 check from the government. That’s not tax policy, that’s simply looting from the people who do pay the federal tax bill.
I’m amazed Obama found two former Treasury officials who signed on to his plan because this isn’t tax policy in the sense of following any rational economic principles. It’s just crass political pandering using the tax code to bait votes.

Once you get past the Mr Hope and Mr Change universal healthcare Sammy Davis Jr tap dance you realize there is not much substance to this guy.
 

reefraff

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Back to the laptop so I can see what I am doing, sort of.

Left wingers Love the Boba because they understand what his politics really are. If he does make it through to the general there are going to be a lot of run of the mill liberals with their panties in a bunch once they see what this guy's political leanings really are. I thought Hillary would be easy for McCain to beat and Obama would be almost impossible given the current political climate but now I am not sure. I think there are going to be a lot of voters who are for Hillary that will not vote for him once they learn what his past voting record has been in the Senate and Illinois legislature. Most of his loyalists would rather vote for Castro than even a middle of the road conservative like McCain.
I hate the guys politics but I cannot find it in me to dislike him. I hate Hillary cause she's just such a spiteful snake. I make up the funny names for him to tweak the noses of people that have talked about the chimp (can't wait to see the furor when someone points out the good Senator from Illinois' resemblence to a primate) shrub or idiot Bush, or is that Bu$h or Buhitler. I've seen them all.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2473946
Back to the laptop so I can see what I am doing, sort of.

Left wingers Love the Boba because they understand what his politics really are. If he does make it through to the general there are going to be a lot of run of the mill liberals with their panties in a bunch once they see what this guy's political leanings really are. I thought Hillary would be easy for McCain to beat and Obama would be almost impossible given the current political climate but now I am not sure. I think there are going to be a lot of voters who are for Hillary that will not vote for him once they learn what his past voting record has been in the Senate and Illinois legislature. Most of his loyalists would rather vote for Castro than even a middle of the road conservative like McCain.
I hate the guys politics but I cannot find it in me to dislike him. I hate Hillary cause she's just such a spiteful snake. I make up the funny names for him to tweak the noses of people that have talked about the chimp (can't wait to see the furor when someone points out the good Senator from Illinois' resemblence to a primate) shrub or idiot Bush, or is that Bu$h or Buhitler. I've seen them all.

I agree .....I thought Hillary would be easier to beat. Should Bobo HUssein Obama aka Zippy get the nod...now I beleive he will not be that difficult to beat. Once you move past the primaries and the tap dance show you get down to substance in the general election.
Keep in mind Bobo the tap dancer is a member of a "church" that honored the Muslim racist Farrakahn...and the spiritual leader of his "church" is also a racist. Zippy has denounced some things his spiritual leader has said...but Zip reamins a member. If Zip was a man of conviction, he would leave that church. However, he reamins a member and therefore...demonstates silent support of racism .
 

salty blues

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2473946
Back to the laptop so I can see what I am doing, sort of.

Left wingers Love the Boba because they understand what his politics really are. If he does make it through to the general there are going to be a lot of run of the mill liberals with their panties in a bunch once they see what this guy's political leanings really are. I thought Hillary would be easy for McCain to beat and Obama would be almost impossible given the current political climate but now I am not sure. I think there are going to be a lot of voters who are for Hillary that will not vote for him once they learn what his past voting record has been in the Senate and Illinois legislature. Most of his loyalists would rather vote for Castro than even a middle of the road conservative like McCain.
I hate the guys politics but I cannot find it in me to dislike him. I hate Hillary cause she's just such a spiteful snake. I make up the funny names for him to tweak the noses of people that have talked about the chimp (can't wait to see the furor when someone points out the good Senator from Illinois' resemblence to a primate) shrub or idiot Bush, or is that Bu$h or Buhitler. I've seen them all.

Well, you know humans are primates too.
Definition: A primate is any member of the biological order Primates, the group that contains all the species commonly related to the lemurs, monkeys, and apes, with the last category including humans.
Now, if you're saying Obama looks like a monkey I agree. But then, so does "W". In fact I wonder if a bunch of real monkeys might do a better job with things!
 

andy51632

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Is McCain Pro choice? Didn't he vote against Bush's tax cuts? He does not want to torture terrorist does he? For illegal immigration? I think McCain and Obama have alot in common. I don't understand how a true right winger can vote for McCain. Is it just because he has a R behind his name.
I will tell you what. I will keep a open mind going into this election. Listen to the issues. I will make the choice on that. Will you?
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by andy51632
http:///forum/post/2474356
Is McCain Pro choice? Didn't he vote against Bush's tax cuts? He does not want to torture terrorist does he? For illegal immigration? I think McCain and Obama have alot in common. I don't understand how a true right winger can vote for McCain. Is it just because he has a R behind his name.
I will tell you what. I will keep a open mind going into this election. Listen to the issues. I will make the choice on that. Will you?
McCain is not Pro-Choice.
McCain did vote against tax cuts, but he also just brought on board Jack Kemp so expect his fiscal policies to shift. Also, McCain has stated he beleives the Capital Gains tax should be frozen at 15%.
He's not for "illegal immigration". I hated his proposal, but it wasn't "for illegal immigration".
I'm a "true right winger"; Let me put it to you another way. I don't know how a true right winger cannot vote against Hillary or Obama
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McCain isn't Conservative enough for my tastes, but at least he's not a Socialist and a "Cut and Runner".
Yes, I have listened to the issues and have made my choices based on them.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2471445
When it comes to fiscal spending... Bush has got us into this situation we are in now so blame him and the GOP for allowing our debt to reach its current all-time level. If we are going to wage a war we can't reduce taxes to the extent that we have...its not fiscally responsible... its like Bush is using someone elses credit card and doesn't care how much he spends. I also don't think you are being punished. IMO if you are rich you will probably maintain the same lifestyle w/o out the cuts. 2nd, the cuts were a gift... stopping them restores the previous status quo which says you should pay what you are supposed to pay. To get out the mess we are in we are going to have to increase some taxes... as much as I want all the tax breaks I can get... its in the best interest of the nation. One other point is that much of Obama's support is from wealthier people, while Clinton's is from lower income people.
Reach across the isle, spend the way they want too, get blaimed for the fiscal irresponsibility. Brillliant.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2471868
The forclosure issue is largely due to the fact these institutions weren't regulated and you'll see very soon this is going to be a much bigger issue once the feds start investigating everyone... There's a case in my area now where a

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co owner has like 174 counts he's facing due to this

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fraud.
Explain to me how more regulation would have solved this "problem?"
You know those "equal housing opportunity" regulations actually forced lenders to lower their standards for lending.
 

stdreb27

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How many Democrat utopias, like Lousiana, california, Michigan have to fail before we realise that their flawed socialist economic models don't work. Before Regan and his supply-side economics plan were implemented we had 20% interest to top the 15% inflation.
If we compare our capitalist economy against socialist, isolationist, economies from the Qiing dinasty closing china to foreign traders, the USSR, North Korea, Cuba, South America during the 80's and early 90's, West germany right after WW2. Today the brilliant theories of Democrats are implemented in Europe. They enjoy low 10% unemployment and double digit inflation, wonderful 70% tax brackets. But hey they have free healthcare that you ahve to wait 6 months for. China created "free trade zones" and now people are scared they are going to take over the world. These control type approaches don't work they never have but yet they still try, and people are too ignorant to realise they are digging their own graves.
True corporations can be corrupt, I'm from houston in the oil business, I saw enron. But are we going to continue looking the other way when the government wastes even more money? When we have congressman with freezers full of cash? When candidates are funneling money to superdelagates? When we pay for a social unsecurity system that won't be there in 50 years if I ever retire? What do we want? Do we want a bumbling government overstepping its constitutional bounds to "protect us from ourselves." Or do we want a government that stays within the framework that has propelled us to be the greatest, richest country in the world. And we take care of ourselves.
I know most of you mind numbed robots will hear this and your logic chip will explode. But think for yourself even if it is just for a minute, quit being lazy and lean why then start looking at what. It will be a whole new promising world.
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by andy51632
http:///forum/post/2474356
Is McCain Pro choice? Didn't he vote against Bush's tax cuts? He does not want to torture terrorist does he? For illegal immigration? I think McCain and Obama have alot in common. I don't understand how a true right winger can vote for McCain. Is it just because he has a R behind his name.
I will tell you what. I will keep a open mind going into this election. Listen to the issues. I will make the choice on that. Will you?
Besides universal healthcare and governmnet control of the industry, cutting and runnin from Iraq and the war on terror,....where does Obama stand on issues? I do know he is FAR LEFT.....he probably passes ole Ted Kennedy as he rushes over to the moveon.orgers. All I hear is I'm Mr Hope and Mr Change as Mr Bojangles dances. Not much substance to the message.
 

stdreb27

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Rylan is trying to paint obama as a moderate. Repeating over and over the same things, but there is nothing moderate about his policies. But the guy has one of the most liberal voting records in the senate. It would be like me arguing that Ron Paul is a centrist. If you want to see a liberals "vision for the future" look at europe. England with no personal gun ownership. Denmark with their pillaging Muslim population, Spain and their pandering public in the face of bombings. Look at those economies with double digit inflation and unemployment. Healthcare systems that are telling mothers to have their babies at home because their systems are so overrun with people, waiting lists, leaving people with painful deabilitating illness or injury waiting for months for the corrective procedure. These are the changes, this is the future. Liberal utopias where the poor stay poor, the middle class dissapear, and the rich pay out their noses, or run for liberal office.
At least in my idealic world, if you want to you can.
 

reefraff

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Here is a picture of the "Moderate" Obama's volunteer campaign office in Houston.

Interesting choice of a flag behind the desk. But it's a well known fact that people who are politically moderate worship Communists like Che Quevara
 

reefraff

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And just to be clear, that office isn't "funded" by the Obama campaign, the people working for his campaign there are paying the rent. I assume if it had been an "Official" campaign office the workers would have been told to leave their Communist memorabilia at home.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2475521
Rylan is trying to paint obama as a moderate. Repeating over and over the same things, but there is nothing moderate about his policies. But the guy has one of the most liberal voting records in the senate. It would be like me arguing that Ron Paul is a centrist. If you want to see a liberals "vision for the future" look at europe. England with no personal gun ownership. Denmark with their pillaging Muslim population, Spain and their pandering public in the face of bombings. Look at those economies with double digit inflation and unemployment. Healthcare systems that are telling mothers to have their babies at home because their systems are so overrun with people, waiting lists, leaving people with painful deabilitating illness or injury waiting for months for the corrective procedure. These are the changes, this is the future. Liberal utopias where the poor stay poor, the middle class dissapear, and the rich pay out their noses, or run for liberal office.
At least in my idealic world, if you want to you can.

Obama has just come out and said that Americans have the right to bear armsin response to the NIU shootings.... I don't think he wants to see the United States modeled after Europe... what he is saying is that we should be the nation that other countries attempt to model and lately, we haven't lived up to those expectations. Some one listed some of his votes in Senate in an ealier post, which are not as liberal as you might think...But whats wrong with wanting to change this country for the better? We need new people with new ideas at the critical period in our nation's history.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2474189
I agree .....I thought Hillary would be easier to beat. Should Bobo HUssein Obama aka Zippy get the nod...now I beleive he will not be that difficult to beat. Once you move past the primaries and the tap dance show you get down to substance in the general election.
Keep in mind Bobo the tap dancer is a member of a "church" that honored the Muslim racist Farrakahn...and the spiritual leader of his "church" is also a racist. Zippy has denounced some things his spiritual leader has said...but Zip reamins a member. If Zip was a man of conviction, he would leave that church. However, he reamins a member and therefore...demonstates silent support of racism .
I have a problem with your statements... they are completely absured and its the devisive tatics and remarks that many of you republicans use. Obama is not racist and he often speaks lovingly of his white mother and grandparents.... this political bull you people keep bringing up has nothing to do with the issues. I believe that Obama is the best candidate for the job and that he will be a great president when he is elected later this year. He a inspirational person, which our president should be, and is fully equipped to defeat McCain in the general election. But the names need to stop, he's run the classiest campaign of any candidate which IMO speaks to the type of person he is and the president he will become.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477316

Obama has just come out and said that Americans have the right to bear armsin response to the NIU shootings.... I don't think he wants to see the United States modeled after Europe... what he is saying is that we should be the nation that other countries attempt to model and lately, we haven't lived up to those expectations. Some one listed some of his votes in Senate in an ealier post, which are not as liberal as you might think...But whats wrong with wanting to change this country for the better? We need new people with new ideas at the critical period in our nation's history.
LOL yes he is, listen to him. Research his votes, this guy is as blue blooded as they come.
There is nothing wrong with change for the better, but liberal change is change for the worse.
But then again, McCain is way to liberal for my tastes.
 

bdhutier

Member
Originally Posted by Ice4Ice
http:///forum/post/2471274
GO HILLARY !!!

Hehe... Looks like she is going, have you seen the delegate lineup?

Anyways, I haven't read every post, but most of what I've read seems to be heading towards a back and forth of who says OBL more on their website, Obama or McCain. From a military standpoint, I'm not so sure OBL is really that important anymore (at least for the moment). He's completely combat ineffective, and has little to no real control over the AQ superstructure as a whole. Essentially, he's a general without an army, and keeping the pressure on AQ and Islamic extremists will keep it that way.
The real blessing of Iraq, in relation to AQ, is that crap hole is siphoning recruits away from OBL.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477344
I have a problem with your statements... they are completely absured and its the devisive tatics and remarks that many of you republicans use. Obama is not racist and he often speaks lovingly of his white mother and grandparents.... this political bull you people keep bringing up has nothing to do with the issues. I believe that Obama is the best candidate for the job and that he will be a great president when he is elected later this year. He a inspirational person, which our president should be, and is fully equipped to defeat McCain in the general election. But the names need to stop, he's run the classiest campaign of any candidate which IMO speaks to the type of person he is and the president he will become.
There are some serious problems with his church honoring militant black race baiters like Farrakahn.
It is hypocritical, racist, and destructive.
Now that being said, I do think he has run quite well dealing with the supposed race issue that democrats seems to love to bring up.
I wonder what he is like off script?
 
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