Obama supporters. I have one question

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2477363
There are some serious problems with his church honoring militant black race baiters like Farrakahn.
It is hypocritical, racist, and destructive.
Now that being said, I do think he has run quite well dealing with the supposed race issue that democrats seems to love to bring up.
I wonder what he is like off script?
I started to respond, but I'm not even going to go there with you. All these "issues" that you have raised about Obama are just your political and perhaps personal fears of a change in power and the beginning of a new political era. These attacks are the same attacks John Kerry faced about his war record... I'm ready for a candidate who doesn't need to attempt to smear a candidate by slinging these untrue, fearful attacks. Whats really hypocritical, racist, and destructive are the comments you have wrote calling Obama a muslim, chimp, Sammy Davis, tap dancer, etc... and also I saw a noose statement... Come on you all need to be better than this.
 

stdreb27

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“The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact, Much of what I absorbed from the sixties was filtered through my mother, who to the end of her life would proudly proclaim herself an unreconstructed liberal.”
-osama obama-
Piece of liberal trivia, who coined that nickname for Obama?
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by andy51632
http:///forum/post/2474356
Is McCain Pro choice? Didn't he vote against Bush's tax cuts? He does not want to torture terrorist does he? For illegal immigration? I think McCain and Obama have alot in common. I don't understand how a true right winger can vote for McCain. Is it just because he has a R behind his name.
I will tell you what. I will keep a open mind going into this election. Listen to the issues. I will make the choice on that. Will you?
Thats why ... its the R behind his name and he has the best shot in winning. But lets get over the pro-choice issue... its not going to change... and lets concentrate on the real issues... McCains is back sliding to get the nom... he was against tax cuts... changed his mind to become viable.... immigration.... changed his mind to become viable... Why aren't conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh endorsing him? I think you have it right on Andy.. they are just getting on the bandwagon because he still supports the war and changed his position on taxes. Lets take a serious look at the issues our country faces and decide on a candidtate that will be best able to face those issues.
 

stdreb27

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Osama Obama
Supports gun control
supports universal healthcare
Supports raising taxes
Supports bigger government
Supports abortion
supports expantion of entitlements
supports anti war rhertoric
What else is there?
That is what I would call a liberal.
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477344
I have a problem with your statements... they are completely absured and its the devisive tatics and remarks that many of you republicans use. Obama is not racist and he often speaks lovingly of his white mother and grandparents.... this political bull you people keep bringing up has nothing to do with the issues. I believe that Obama is the best candidate for the job and that he will be a great president when he is elected later this year. He a inspirational person, which our president should be, and is fully equipped to defeat McCain in the general election. But the names need to stop, he's run the classiest campaign of any candidate which IMO speaks to the type of person he is and the president he will become.
Obama's Minister Honored Farrakhan
Monday, January 14, 2008 7:49 PM
By: Ronald Kessler
Barack Obama prays during services at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.
Barack Obama’s longtime minister, mentor, and sounding board has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan and last month honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement.
Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals. He has called whites “blue-eyed devils” and the “anti-Christ.” He has described Jews as “bloodsuckers” who control the government, the media, and some black organizations.
“Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET [the Black Entertainment Network]?” Farrakhan said in a speech on Nov. 11, 2007. “Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry, and television. And they make us look like we’re the murderers; we look like we’re the gangsters, but we’re punk stuff.”
The month after that speech, Obama’s minister and friend, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. and his Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, honored Farrakhan at a gala, bestowing on him its Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer award.
As noted in a Jan. 7 Newsmax article, “Barack Obama’s Racist Church,” in sermons and interviews, Wright has equated Zionism with racism and has compared Israel with South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. On the Sunday following 9/11, Wright characterized the terrorist attacks as a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later, Wright suggested that the attacks were retribution for America’s racism.
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in Trumpet. “White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”
In one of his sermons, Wright said to thumping applause, “Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run! ...We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”
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In an op-ed in the Philadelphia Tribune, Wright said that war is about “making the world safe” for American business interests. “When one goes against the war, one tampers with the financial institutions and the financial system that was put in place by the Founding Fathers of this country to keep the rich, rich!” he said. “The rich can only stay rich by keeping the poor, poor.”
As for Israel, “The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now,” Wright has said. “Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.”
Those views run parallel to Farrakhan’s, who said in an interview this month with FinalCall.com that there will be “no peace for Israel, because there can be no peace as long as that peace is based on lying, stealing, murder, and using God’s name to shield a wicked, unjust practice that is not in harmony with the will of God.”
Just before Obama’s nationally televised campaign kickoff rally last Feb. 10, the candidate disinvited Wright from giving the public invocation. Wright explained: “When [Obama’s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli” to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, “a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.”
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2477468
Osama Obama
Supports gun control
supports universal healthcare
Supports raising taxes
Supports bigger government
Supports abortion
supports expantion of entitlements
supports anti war rhertoric
What else is there?
That is what I would call a liberal.

I would call a Socialist. Both Obama and Clinton are socialist in liberal clothing
Clinton " I will take those profits from the oil copanies"
Marx "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) "
This country is founded on the People, not the government, None of these programs are Constitutional
For those of you who went to public NEA schools:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_constitution
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477344
I have a problem with your statements... they are completely absured and its the devisive tatics and remarks that many of you republicans use. Obama is not racist and he often speaks lovingly of his white mother and grandparents.... this political bull you people keep bringing up has nothing to do with the issues. I believe that Obama is the best candidate for the job and that he will be a great president when he is elected later this year. He a inspirational person, which our president should be, and is fully equipped to defeat McCain in the general election. But the names need to stop, he's run the classiest campaign of any candidate which IMO speaks to the type of person he is and the president he will become.

Wright's strong sentiments were echoed in the Sunday morning service attended by NewsMax.
Wright laced into America's establishment, blaming the "white arrogance" of America's Caucasian majority for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers to the country as the "United States of White America." Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded in apparent agreement as these statements were made
In an investigative report on Obama published last week by the American Thinker Web site, Ed Lasky documented multiple examples of Wright's anti-Jewish and anti-white animus. Wright has called for divestment from Israel and refers to Israel as a "racist" state. Theologically, he believes that the true "Chosen People" are the blacks. Indeed, he is a black supremacist. He believes that black values are superior to middle class American values and that blacks should isolate themselves from the wider American society.
Wright is a long-time friend of the virulently anti-Semitic head of the Nation of Islam - fellow Chicagoan Louis Farrakhan. The two traveled together to Libya some years ago to pay homage to Muammar Gaddafi. Last year Wright presented Farrakhan with a "Lifetime Achievement" award.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477441
Lets take a serious look at the issues our country faces and decide on a candidtate that will be best able to face those issues.
And I tell you a Jr. Senator who has been in the Senate for 3 years, 1.5 of those on the campain trail for President IS the right person for the job.
 

bdhutier

Member
Prepare for big-butted catch-up post...
Originally Posted by SigmaChris
http:///forum/post/2471402
The paragraph I quoted is from the same web page. If you want general references to fighting Al Queda, here is a quote from a speech in 2007 on how he would like to target Al Queda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Quote from http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/0...ma_the_w_1.php
The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Oh yeah, Pakistan will looooove that!! I'm sure they'd just sit there on the curb, while our troops shot it out with AQ...

Originally Posted by Rylan1
A war on poverty solves many other problems... such as the the amount of $ for social programs such as welfare, unemployement. It also would decrease crime and drug use. It would promote a better family structure. It would give young people a better outlook on life and enhance the possibility for a college education. It also would increase the tax base and lastly it would boost and stabilze our economy.
War on Poverty, introduced 08 January 1964. The war's been raging 44 years, Rylan; two full generations. There's no "WOULD" about it. Now, to have the buying power of $100 (1964), you must now make $668.20. As a comparison, if you calculate 44 years BEFORE 1964, which is 1920, $154.84 1964 dollars had the same buying power as $100 1920 dollars. So, if you were born in 1920 to a family who made $10,000/yr, they would have to make $15,484 to maintain their standard of living in 1964, a 55% increase over 44/yrs. In the same scenario but 1964-2008, they would have to make $66,820, a 568% increase over the next 44/yrs!!!
No doubt many of the social programs in the war on poverty have helped many families, however those same families have to make exponentially more money now then when the program was initiated. My math could be wrong (I'm a history major, not math!!), but it doesn't look right to me.
Originally Posted by 1journeymen

So, what happens if the fighting is more difficult in Afghanistan? Do we leave there and go LOOK for Al Qaeda in Hawaii or Guam?
Now, that's one deployment I'll volunteer for!!!
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
More people are murdered in Washington DC than in Baghdad ( we need to pull out of DC NOW!). ... We need a timetable for the withdrawl from the war on poverty.
Dude, that's AWESOME!!! Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read that!!!
Originally Posted by 1journeyman

Rylan, what do you want us to do in Africa? You always bring this up, I always ask you what you think we should do, and you never answer.
You know what they need over there?? Barak Obama!!! He'd bring fearless change over there, and universal healthcare!! Besides, he's young, and fresh, and exciting, and articulate!!
 

bdhutier

Member

Originally Posted by andy51632
I do not see any problem giving a tax break to older americans. Somebody that was promised a good social security check but it ended up being hardly nothing. ... From a religous point of view if God actually wanted a person to be born in this world I do not beleive any thing would stop that. I am not saying it is okay to have an abortion but I do not think these people are criminals
SS was never intended to be a means for retirement... it was intended as a retirement benefit!! You were NEVER supposed to be able to live off of SS...
As for abortion, I have NO idea what you're talking about... from what I'm reading, you're saying the equivalent of, "If God really intended me to live, I don't believe I would die if you shot me in the head. And BTW, you wouldn't be a criminal, just a proponent of population control." Dude, what the heck are you talking about????
Originally Posted by andy51632
All I am saying is if God needs this person created it will be so.
Yeah... unless someone comes along and KILLS that person...
And God obviously
needs that person to be created, or He wouldn't have created them in the first place!!!
And I agree, Salty... abortion can never be justified to save the mother's life... it's a garbage excuse to kill the baby. I wonder how many pro-abortionists have actually read Margaret Sanger's writings. Whoops, there goes all the blacks, hispanics, retards, and any other socially unacceptable people, sucked down the sink!!

Originally Posted by andy51632

I think McCain and Obama have a lot in common. I don't understand how a true right winger can vote for McCain. Is it just because he has a R behind his name.
Yeah, they do have a lot in common... they work in the same building. McCain knows what he's talking about and so does... oh, wait. A right-winger can vote for McCain because he will be running against a lunatic like Billary or Boba (I like Bobo better). pretty much seals the deal for guys like me!
Originally Posted by Rylan1

Obama is not racist and he often speaks lovingly of his white mother and grandparents...
LMAO!!! I wonder why he speaks lovingly of his mother!!!
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477344
I have a problem with your statements... they are completely absured and its the devisive tatics and remarks that many of you republicans use. Obama is not racist and he often speaks lovingly of his white mother and grandparents.... this political bull you people keep bringing up has nothing to do with the issues. I believe that Obama is the best candidate for the job and that he will be a great president when he is elected later this year. He a inspirational person, which our president should be, and is fully equipped to defeat McCain in the general election. But the names need to stop, he's run the classiest campaign of any candidate which IMO speaks to the type of person he is and the president he will become.
I have a problem with someone running for president who looks to a racist for advice and is a member of the church that is headed by the same racist.
The devisive tactics/words are spread by Obama's chosen spiritual leader.
The words of his choosen spiritual leader are SHAMEFUL.
Do you agree with the positions of the church Obama is a memebr of? Do you agree with the words spoken by the racist Wright?
Evidently, Obama must as he remains a member of the racist church.
He'll not get a pass on this from me.
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477424
I started to respond, but I'm not even going to go there with you. All these "issues" that you have raised about Obama are just your political and perhaps personal fears of a change in power and the beginning of a new political era. These attacks are the same attacks John Kerry faced about his war record... I'm ready for a candidate who doesn't need to attempt to smear a candidate by slinging these untrue, fearful attacks. Whats really hypocritical, racist, and destructive are the comments you have wrote calling Obama a muslim, chimp, Sammy Davis, tap dancer, etc... and also I saw a noose statement... Come on you all need to be better than this.
Any candidate that looks up to a racist will be called out. That is a legitimate issue for someone that wishes to be president. He is a tap dancer as he comes out and just gives a show with no substance.
The poeple Obama looks up to and the church he is a member of and it's philosophy indicates what this individual beleives in. He looks up to Wright a racist....his church promotes racism. This leads me to only one conclusion....Obama is a racist.
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2477565
And I tell you a Jr. Senator who has been in the Senate for 3 years, 1.5 of those on the campain trail for President IS the right person for the job.

That's why you have to investigate Obama...what he has stood for in the past....and also look at his spritual leader. You really do not know that much about this guy. His record is not long so you need to check him out outside his couple years in DC.
Obama can say whatever he wants....but you have to do the homework to find out about this guy. WHo he has alligned himself with and what they beleive in and have said publicly. Who does he look to for advice and what are their postions? Who does he admire? This will reveal the TRUE person in my opinion.
 

stdreb27

Active Member

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2477681
That's why you have to investigate Obama...what he has stood for in the past....and also look at his spritual leader. You really do not know that much about this guy. His record is not long so you need to check him out outside his couple years in DC.
Obama can say whatever he wants....but you have to do the homework to find out about this guy. WHo he has alligned himself with and what they beleive in and have said publicly. Who does he look to for advice and what are their postions? Who does he admire? This will reveal the TRUE person in my opinion.
lol, I do hope you could grasp the absurity of my statement and voting of Osama obama.
Since we are on the topic of racism. Here is a quote from a liberal, who works in NASCAR for the wicked witch of DEI. His reaction to the "suprising" treatment from red necks is rather insulting. But just goes to show these "white trash red necks" that liberal operatives need shots to go poll, treat a black man better than all the libs in the music industry. But it does support what I believe is needed for "equality" in America. It to be a non-issue. I wonder how these same people would treat a race-baiting, cry baby black preacher like Osama Obamas pastor?
"I get more heat about how they think I treated Dale [Earnhardt] Jr. wrong than me being African-American," Siegel said with a chuckle. "I'm not naive to think that it's not out there but the guys joked with me when I was in Talladega about being accepted because of the company I work for.
"I think that the fact I'm able to work for a company that has the kind of history that DEI has, I think that my relationship with Dale Jr. and the fact that we really connected on a personal level maybe made people more inclined to accept me. If I've encountered any negativity or animosity it's due to the heated negotiations with the Dale Jr. contract."
In fact, the reception Siegel has received thus far has been so supportive; he says this is the most relaxed atmosphere in which he's worked.
"[Race] hasn't come up quite as much as I thought it would have," Siegel said. "It's interesting because Teresa [Earnhardt] and I never had discussions about diversity or anything. It never came up in any one of my discussions with anybody here at the company and I was pretty open about it. Maybe people talk, I mean I'm sure that they do, but I don't hear any major buzz about it around this company.
"I'm pretty sensitive to it, I'm not naive at all, and since I've been here I haven't felt it internally at all. This is the strangest thing in the world and I told my wife [Jennifer] this, I worked in New York City in the music business which is probably, as an industry, one of the most diverse industries out there. From a racial standpoint, I've felt more comfortable here and more embraced and supported and respected than any other job and environment I've been in and I'm still scratching my head about it."
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477424
I started to respond, but I'm not even going to go there with you. All these "issues" that you have raised about Obama are just your political and perhaps personal fears of a change in power and the beginning of a new political era. These attacks are the same attacks John Kerry faced about his war record... I'm ready for a candidate who doesn't need to attempt to smear a candidate by slinging these untrue, fearful attacks. Whats really hypocritical, racist, and destructive are the comments you have wrote calling Obama a muslim, chimp, Sammy Davis, tap dancer, etc... and also I saw a noose statement... Come on you all need to be better than this.

There are no free passes for racisim. If it is wrong for a republican and/or white person to practive racism against blacks or others and/or make racist statements...it is equally wrong for blacks nad/or liberals and democrats to do the same against, whites, jews, blacks etc.
The church Obama belongs to has a racist agenda and the leader is a racist. He has made NUMEROUS racists remarks and honored a known racist in Farrakahn. Becasue the church is mostly black does not mean it get's a free ride on the issue of racism....and neither does Obama.
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2477769
There are no free passes for racisim. If it is wrong for a republican and/or white person to practive racism against blacks or others and/or make racist statements...it is equally wrong for blacks nad/or liberals and democrats to do the same against, whites, jews, blacks etc.
The church Obama belongs to has a racist agenda and the leader is a racist. He has made NUMEROUS racists remarks and honored a known racist in Farrakahn. Becasue the church is mostly black does not mean it get's a free ride on the issue of racism....and neither does Obama.
True, there are no free passes, but as a wise man once said, "if you're a democrat...it's different." Thanks to the "free" press.
 

scubadoo

Active Member

Fornt Page magazine....
American voters ought to have more than a passing interest in the fact that when Barack Obama formally joined TUCC in 1991, he tacitly accepted this same Jeremiah Wright as a spiritual mentor. Moreover, he pledged allegiance to the church's race-conscious "Black Value System" that encourages blacks to patronize black-only businesses, support black leaders, and avoid becoming "entrapped" by the pursuit of a "black middle-classness" whose ideals presumably would erode their sense of African identity and render them "captive" to white culture.
In addition, voters should examine carefully the question of whether Obama shares Wright's socialist economic preferences. They ought to be aware, for instance, that the Democratic candidate is on record as having said that his religious faith has led him to question "the idolatry of the free market." Moreover, Obama's voting record and his issue positions show him generally to favor high spending and increased government intervention in all realms of life.
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2477777
True, there are no free passes, but as a wise man once said, "if you're a democrat...it's different." Thanks to the "free" press.
It is frustrating the double standard that exists in this country regarding racism. Just because a particular group was a victim in the past....does not mean they get a free ride now.
Rylan quickly wants to dismiss this as a non-issue in this election. Why? Did the leader of this church honor Farrkahn? has the leader of Obama's church not made racially charged statements? Does the website for the church promote a certain agenda? Does that agenda appear all inclusive and uniting?
Obama supports racism by his continued support of his spiritual leader and his continued membership and support of this "church".
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2477802
It is frustrating the double standard that exists in this country regarding racism. Just because a particular group was a victim in the past....does not mean they get a free ride now.
Rylan quickly wants to dismiss this as a non-issue in this election. Why? Did the leader of this church honor Farrkahn? has the leader of Obama's church not made racially charged statements? Does the website for the church promote a certain agenda? Does that agenda appear all inclusive and uniting?
Obama supports racism by his continued support of his spiritual leader and his continued membership and support of this "church".
The goofball isn't even "really black" Who was it that called him the Magic Negro?http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...opinion-center
Whether or not he is black plays a miniscule role in his ability to perform the rolls of his office. IT is these libs that are enamoured with race. Look who quietly appointed more minorities to prominent positions in his Administration than anyone else? But judging by actions he didn't do this for the political gain, (to a point everything is political) but because of their qualifications. These minorities have reached higher positions of power, and yet have been vilified becaue they aren't libs. By the same people claiming to support "equality and inegration." Hypocrates.
 

scubadoo

Active Member

January 30, 2008
EXCLUSIVE - Obama's Nation of Islam Staffers, Edward Said & "Inflexible Jews" Causing Mid-East Conflict: An Obama Insider Reveals the Real Barack
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Responding to criticism by Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen, Barack Obama declared his strong opposition to Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan:
I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan.
Obama also went on to condemn his Church's award to Farrakhan and his minister's tight relationship with him.
But a former Obama insider says that Obama's sudden aversion to NOI and Farrakhan is belied by the fact that Obama employed and continues to employ several Farrakhan acolytes in high positions on his Illinois and U.S. Senate campaign and office staffs. I have verified that this person--who agreed to talk on the condition of anonymity--held a key position in the Obama campaign. The insider was so close to Senator Obama that they frequently personally discussed and exchanged direct e-mail messages on campaign and policy matters. This person is not connected with the Clintons and is not a disgruntled employee.
The insider says he frequently objected to Mr. Obama's placement of Cynthia K. Miller, a member of the Nation of Islam, as the Treasurer of his U.S. Senate campaign. When I contacted Miller, now a Chicago real estate agent, to verify whether she was a member of the Nation of Islam and whether she shared Louis Farrakhan's bigoted views about Jews, she responded, "None of your business! Where are you going with this?" She said her resignation as Obama's treasurer had nothing to do with her Nation of Islam ties. Then, she hung up.
The Obama insider says he also objected to Obama's involvement with Jennifer Mason, whom he says is also a member of the Nation of Islam. Mason is Obama's Director of Constituent Services in his U.S. Senate office and is also in charge of selecting Obama's Senate interns. She did not respond to repeated calls for comment.
But it's not just that he employed these individuals in positions of power in his office, it's that when the former associate raised objections, he says Mr. Obama's position was that he saw nothing wrong with the Nation of Islam and didn't think it was a problem. If true--and the fact that Ms. Mason still holds her prominent Obama Senate staff position bears that out--Obama's condemnation of Farrakhan, this month, is phony.
But the insider says there is more to it than that. Obama's Illinois State Senate district consisted of prime Nation of Islam territory, including Hyde Park, home to Farrakhan's mansion. It is not possible, Illinois politicos say, to win that district without the blessing of the NOI leader. NOI members, including consultant Shakir Muhammad, held important roles in the Obama state senate campaign.
 
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