Obama supporters. I have one question

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2477769
There are no free passes for racisim. If it is wrong for a republican and/or white person to practive racism against blacks or others and/or make racist statements...it is equally wrong for blacks nad/or liberals and democrats to do the same against, whites, jews, blacks etc.
The church Obama belongs to has a racist agenda and the leader is a racist. He has made NUMEROUS racists remarks and honored a known racist in Farrakahn. Becasue the church is mostly black does not mean it get's a free ride on the issue of racism....and neither does Obama.
the views presented on their website are not racist... you may believe it to be otherwise... but they are not racist.... everytime black people say something that includes the word black or african.. people say its racist

... If you want to debate Farrakahn thats another issue which can be debatable... however he has done positive things in the black community such as the million man march... which was a good thing and was not racist... I would say if you are going to argue this point than see why he recieved whatever honor they gave him.
Racism is the newsletter in the name of Ron Paul that we heard of not to long ago.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2477815
The goofball isn't even "really black" Who was it that called him the Magic Negro?http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...opinion-center
Whether or not he is black plays a miniscule role in his ability to perform the rolls of his office. IT is these libs that are enamoured with race. Look who quietly appointed more minorities to prominent positions in his Administration than anyone else? But judging by actions he didn't do this for the political gain, (to a point everything is political) but because of their qualifications. These minorities have reached higher positions of power, and yet have been vilified becaue they aren't libs. By the same people claiming to support "equality and inegration." Hypocrates.

IT really does not matter to me if he prefers to be viewed as black or a black/white mix.
What does matter is that he is supporting racism against, whites, jews, etc. by alligning himself with this church and his spiritual leader Wright.
It also now appears that he may have hired and/or continues to employ key mebers of the racist orgianization Nation of Islam led by the big racist Farrakahn.
Once again, what you point to is the double standard that exists in this society. None of what you have stated matters because of who did it and the color of his skin and the political party that attained these achievements...they don't count.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477849
the views presented on their website are not racist... you may believe it to be otherwise... but they are not racist.... everytime black people say something that includes the word black or african.. people say its racist

... If you want to debate Farrakahn thats another issue which can be debatable... however he has done positive things in the black community such as the million man march... which was a good thing and was not racist... I would say if you are going to argue this point than see why he recieved whatever honor they gave him.
Racism is the newsletter in the name of Ron Paul that we heard of not to long ago.
Ron Paul is a nut job and that letter was racist and wrong.
So, you support the teachings of Wright and his statements and positions?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477849
the views presented on their website are not racist... you may believe it to be otherwise... but they are not racist.... everytime black people say something that includes the word black or african.. people say its racist

... If you want to debate Farrakahn thats another issue which can be debatable...
Any decision with race as a decision factor is racist.
Oh and ron paul is not the leading candidate for the republican nomination.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477849
the views presented on their website are not racist... you may believe it to be otherwise... but they are not racist.... everytime black people say something that includes the word black or african.. people say its racist

... If you want to debate Farrakahn thats another issue which can be debatable... however he has done positive things in the black community such as the million man march... which was a good thing and was not racist... I would say if you are going to argue this point than see why he recieved whatever honor they gave him.
Racism is the newsletter in the name of Ron Paul that we heard of not to long ago.
Then why did Obama and Wright claim he would have to distance himself for his spiritual leader?
Barack Obama's Pastor routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."
"If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me," Pastor Jeremiah A. Wright told The New York Times with a shrug. "I said it to Barack personally, and he said 'yeah, that might have to happen.'"

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477849
the views presented on their website are not racist... you may believe it to be otherwise... but they are not racist.... everytime black people say something that includes the word black or african.. people say its racist

... If you want to debate Farrakahn thats another issue which can be debatable... however he has done positive things in the black community such as the million man march... which was a good thing and was not racist... I would say if you are going to argue this point than see why he recieved whatever honor they gave him.
Racism is the newsletter in the name of Ron Paul that we heard of not to long ago.
Obama is tap dancing the message of unification and change...yet the words of his spiritual leader, the views of the church, etc is in contrast with his position.

 

[stdreb27]

You want to know who is prejudice, it is the black guy who nascar hired and was "scratching his head" by the treatment he was given. (read the except from a previous post)
It is the people who vilified Condi, and other black republicans because they weren't democrats.
It is black leaders like the "reverend" sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Fairykon.
It is these "black leaders" that are keeping the african american population in check and voting for one party because the democrats "care about black people"

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2477793

Fornt Page magazine....
American voters ought to have more than a passing interest in the fact that when Barack Obama formally joined TUCC in 1991, he tacitly accepted this same Jeremiah Wright as a spiritual mentor. Moreover, he pledged allegiance to the church's race-conscious "Black Value System" that encourages blacks to patronize black-only businesses, support black leaders, and avoid becoming "entrapped" by the pursuit of a "black middle-classness" whose ideals presumably would erode their sense of African identity and render them "captive" to white culture.
In addition, voters should examine carefully the question of whether Obama shares Wright's socialist economic preferences. They ought to be aware, for instance, that the Democratic candidate is on record as having said that his religious faith has led him to question "the idolatry of the free market." Moreover, Obama's voting record and his issue positions show him generally to favor high spending and increased government intervention in all realms of life.
these economic preferences are simlpy supporting the community you live in and trying to build up your community by investing your dollars with people you know and live with, instead of going outside the community and not having those dollars reinvested... This concpet is not unique... many communities do it including jewish, hispanic, italian, and so on.
I will say that I am not suprised you are trying to play Obama as a racist... these are the tactics you'll have to result to to have a chance at the presidency. I am confident that Obama will have an answer for people who want to bring these issues up in the general election.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477849
the views presented on their website are not racist... you may believe it to be otherwise... but they are not racist.... everytime black people say something that includes the word black or african.. people say its racist

... If you want to debate Farrakahn thats another issue which can be debatable... however he has done positive things in the black community such as the million man march... which was a good thing and was not racist... I would say if you are going to argue this point than see why he recieved whatever honor they gave him.
Racism is the newsletter in the name of Ron Paul that we heard of not to long ago.
So, if we can find some positive influence regarding David Duke, and if a church McCain belonged to honored Duke for this achievemnet...you would have no problem with this?
Honoring a known racist is wrong. No double standard here as I have stated the Ron paul rag was garbage and so is Duke..and so is Farrakhan.
I understand it is not in the best interest of your candidate to discuss the promotion and honoring of a known hater.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477884
these economic preferences are simlpy supporting the community you live in and trying to build up your community by investing your dollars with people you know and live with, instead of going outside the community and not having those dollars reinvested... This concpet is not unique... many communities do it including jewish, hispanic, italian, and so on.
I will say that I am not suprised you are trying to play Obama as a racist... these are the tactics you'll have to result to to have a chance at the presidency. I am confident that Obama will have an answer for people who want to bring these issues up in the general election.
The leader of his church would fit the defintion of a racist by his preachings and statements.
I've also pointed to many other problems with Obama...racism is just one.
So, you support the teachings of Wright and all his postions? Simple yes or no.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477884
these economic preferences are simlpy supporting the community you live in and trying to build up your community by investing your dollars with people you know and live with, instead of going outside the community and not having those dollars reinvested... This concpet is not unique... many communities do it including jewish, hispanic, italian, and so on.
I will say that I am not suprised you are trying to play Obama as a racist... these are the tactics you'll have to result to to have a chance at the presidency. I am confident that Obama will have an answer for people who want to bring these issues up in the general election.
Isn;t that message in contradiciton with unification?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2477877
You want to know who is prejudice, it is the black guy who nascar hired and was "scratching his head" by the treatment he was given. (read the except from a previous post)
It is the people who vilified Condi, and other black republicans because they weren't democrats.
It is black leaders like the "reverend" sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Fairykon.
It is these "black leaders" that are keeping the african american population in check and voting for one party because the democrats "care about black people"
What does his comments have to do with anything or the primaries... what are you talking about? None of these people keep anybody in check... Farrakahn is a leader of a black muslim organization which the majority of blacks disagree with, Sharpton and Jackson are civil rights leaders... not the leaders of african americans... we did not elect them... The majority of black people vote democratic because they talk about things that are important to us... and they seek our vote, unlike republicans who do very little to reach out to black audiences or voters... Condi is not a villian... I would assume most black people respect her and the position she is in ... however we don't agree with the Bush Admin and the Foreign Policy she champions...
Even though his comments in this post are unnecessary... meaning they have no reason to be in a political thread....what are racists about them?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2477897
The leader of his church would fit the defintion of a racist by his preachings and statements.
I've also pointed to many other problems with Obama...racism is just one.
So, you support the teachings of Wright and all his postions? Simple yes or no.
I don't know all his positions and neither do you... I do not attend his church, however I see nothing wrong with a "black value system" and reinvesting in your community.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477884
these economic preferences are simlpy supporting the community you live in and trying to build up your community by investing your dollars with people you know and live with, instead of going outside the community and not having those dollars reinvested... This concpet is not unique... many communities do it including jewish, hispanic, italian, and so on.
I agree to a point...but when this approach is coupled with racist sermons
and the honoring of a known racist hater.....you start to question the ENTIRE message.
I do not expect you would feel Obama to be a racist , his church or Wright. Others may arrive at a different conclusion.
At a minimum, Obama supports Wright ...it is what it is.

 

[reefraff]

So saying a group of people are different or have a different value system based on race isn't racist? So the people who say the prisons are full of Black people because blacks are by nature dishonest aren't racist either? That is no different than a church teaching about a "Black value system".
You really have to look at the whole package. "We are an African people" "Non Negotiable committment to Africa, our mother continent", "Black Value system". You can put all the lipstick on that pig you want but it's still gonna oink.
I don't know that it makes the Boba a racists but it is troubling that he would be comfortable being a member of a church with a leadership promoting those views.

 

[reefraff]

things are starting to get interesting. Lanny Davis was on Tucker and mentioned the Boba and the second amendment. He said how can he say he supports the second amendment when he signed a pledge and introduced legislation for an all out handgun ban when he was in the lagislature. Got to love it, Democrats attacking Democrats

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477441
Thats why ... its the R behind his name and he has the best shot in winning. But lets get over the pro-choice issue... its not going to change... and lets concentrate on the real issues... McCains is back sliding to get the nom... he was against tax cuts... changed his mind to become viable.... immigration.... changed his mind to become viable... Why aren't conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh endorsing him? I think you have it right on Andy.. they are just getting on the bandwagon because he still supports the war and changed his position on taxes. Lets take a serious look at the issues our country faces and decide on a candidtate that will be best able to face those issues.
McCain was against "The Tax Cuts" but not Tax Cuts. At the time he had a compeating tax cut proposal. He has since admitted he was wrong and now says they should be made permenent.
Obama want's to repeal some and give more money away to the poor.
McCain has yet to say he would do away with the amnesty provision of the immigration bill. He says we must first control the border. Then we can debate what we will do with those already here.
Obama wants to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens and says the border fence is a waste of money.
McCain attacked Rumsfeld's handling of the war early on and was calling for a increse in troops before the so-called surge was created.
The Boba brags that he opposed the war like he knew better than anyone else yet he had no clue as to the specific details of what Iraq was or wasn't capable of. For all he knew there could have been a functional atomic bomb in Baghdad.
Yep, not much difference between the two.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2477972
things are starting to get interesting. Lanny Davis was on Tucker and mentioned the Boba and the second amendment. He said how can he say he supports the second amendment when he signed a pledge and introduced legislation for an all out handgun ban when he was in the lagislature. Got to love it, Democrats attacking Democrats

lets not forget that he voted agianst a piece of legislation that would have outlawed a practice where when a fully aborted baby who survived the abortion, was killed outside the womb. Even Hillary at the federal level supported that legislation.
Rylan I'll get to you post hwne I have more time.

 

[masta man]

Not to offend anyone, but hunting Osama doesn't really have an affect over the terrorist groups they will just get a new leader. There is little that we can really do to destroy an organization like Al Qaeda, just a money drain. I support Obama personally, I don't think that Hillary will be able to take the slandering that the republicans will put her way, I think that republicans are more intimidated by Obama than Hill.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2478011
McCain was against "The Tax Cuts" but not Tax Cuts. At the time he had a compeating tax cut proposal. He has since admitted he was wrong and now says they should be made permenent.
Now that is as much a load of crap as democrats standing for the little guy.
"I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who need tax relief."--John McCain, May 2001
"He voted against tax cuts in 2001, 2003, 2004 and 2005, and this year he's for the tax cuts in the reconciliation bill. It looks like he did it for political reasons."
--Grover Norquist, on McCain’s conversion
Sounds like a democrat, tax cuts for the rich mantra to me.