Obama supporters. I have one question

stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2478011
McCain was against "The Tax Cuts" but not Tax Cuts. At the time he had a compeating tax cut proposal. He has since admitted he was wrong and now says they should be made permenent.
Now that is as much a load of crap as democrats standing for the little guy.
"I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who need tax relief."--John McCain, May 2001
"He voted against tax cuts in 2001, 2003, 2004 and 2005, and this year he's for the tax cuts in the reconciliation bill. It looks like he did it for political reasons."
--Grover Norquist, on McCain’s conversion
A working families tax cut—Governor Bush has 38 percent of his tax cut go to the wealthiest one percent of Americans—pay down the debt, Social Security and Medicare. If we're going to save Social Security, we've got to take a bunch of the non-Social Security surplus, pump it into the Social Security system, because we all know that it's going broke. If we do that, then people can then invest part of their own payroll taxes in investments of their choice. The difference between Governor Bush's proposal and mine is that I put a whole lot of money into Social Security, Medicare and paying down the debt. He puts a whole lot of money into tax cuts....
-John McCain
Sounds like a democrat, tax cuts for the rich mantra to me. And dump more money into failing socialist programs.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477906
What does his comments have to do with anything or the primaries... what are you talking about? None of these people keep anybody in check... Farrakahn is a leader of a black muslim organization which the majority of blacks disagree with, Sharpton and Jackson are civil rights leaders... not the leaders of african americans... we did not elect them... The majority of black people vote democratic because they talk about things that are important to us... and they seek our vote, unlike republicans who do very little to reach out to black audiences or voters... Condi is not a villian... I would assume most black people respect her and the position she is in ... however we don't agree with the Bush Admin and the Foreign Policy she champions...
Even though his comments in this post are unnecessary... meaning they have no reason to be in a political thread....what are racists about them?
There is a significant connection to the person that is obama's "spiritual leader" and these race baters. And that is a significant problem to your Obama's not a liberal mantra. These are the far left as far as they come.
What do democrats do to "seek the black vote?" All I see (I'm a minority too remeber) is "this is what we are going to give to you" or "These are the victims of the Rich white man or evil corporations." All words, I don't see what good they have actually done.
Historically it was the democrats who passed jim crow laws.
Democrats in the Senate filibustered a Republican attempt to make lynching a federal crime.
"segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever" GeorgeWallace standing in the door of an Alabama schoolhouse to keep black children from being able to go to school with whites? George Wallace was a Democrat.
Remember Bull Connor turning water hoses and dogs on civil rights protestors? Bull Connor was a Democrat.
FDR nominated former Klansman Hugo Black to the Supreme Court.
Civil Rights Act of 1964
64% of Democrats voted for it.
84% of Republicans.
Who's the only black American currently on the Supreme Court? Clarence Thomas. The first black Secretary of State? Colin Powell. The first black woman ever to be a Secretary of State? Condi Rice.
There are only five black Democrats in the House representing majority white districts- (2006)
a professor from Yale looked at voting patterns and she found that:
"...(W)hite Republicans nationally are 25 percentage points more likely on average to vote for the Democratic senatorial candidate when the GOP hopeful is black. ...In House races, white Democrats are 38 percentage points less likely to vote Democratic if their candidate is black."
That is what I see.
You are right Condi is not a villian, but she cartooned as a pregant lady with a monkey in her womb. Liberal Cartoonists have refered to her as brown sugar.
"Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars?"br />
-- Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers
Blacks and Hispanics are "too busy eating watermelons and tacos" to learn how to read and write." -- Mike Wallace
(On Clarence Thomas) "A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom." -- Spike Lee
"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.
"I'll have those (bad word) voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
-- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler's Book, "Inside The White House"
"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes." -- Louis Farrakhan (1984) who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002
Condoleezza Rice is the purest expression of the race traitor.
-The Black Commentator
She has been drawn... . Her hair, her lips, two buck teeth, her eyes, her nose and mouth are one unit, and they are about three inches long compared to the rest of her face, and Bush, as president, says to her, "How woodums wike to be secwetawy of state?"
yeah really reaching out to the african american community.
"Don't tell me words don't matter," Obama told the Wisconsin audience.
 
granny

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You are speaking of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMa?? Cannot even imagine the president of the United States with a name like this. Iran, Syria, Irag perhaps, but not the good old USA.
The man is MUSLIM, raised in the Islam religion by a Muslim father and stepfather.
And anyone voting for Hillary must be too young to remember the Clinton years. Years filled with one scandal after another and millions of American taxpayer dollars spent on court cases. Hillary almost did, and should have, ended up in Jail with her whitewater counterparts. If you get HIllary, you get Bill. AND remember that Hillarys years in office with Mr. Bill were spent trying to come up with a universal health plan and it couldnt be done. She failed then, why think she can do it now?
There are outstanding Republican candidates, Men with solid conservative values like Huckabee, Patriots like McCain, who have sacrificed so much for his country already and Ron Paul with contemporary views. You want change, vote for Ron Paul. Flat Tax, remove the FEderal Reserve, strong economic reform.
From an experienced old republican military brat and wife!
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Granny
http:///forum/post/2478187
You are speaking of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMa?? Cannot even imagine the president of the United States with a name like this. Iran, Syria, Irag perhaps, but not the good old USA.
The man is MUSLIM, raised in the Islam religion by a Muslim father and stepfather.
And anyone voting for Hillary must be too young to remember the Clinton years. Years filled with one scandal after another and millions of American taxpayer dollars spent on court cases. Hillary almost did, and should have, ended up in Jail with her whitewater counterparts. If you get HIllary, you get Bill. AND remember that Hillarys years in office with Mr. Bill were spent trying to come up with a universal health plan and it couldnt be done. She failed then, why think she can do it now?
There are outstanding Republican candidates, Men with solid conservative values like Huckabee, Patriots like McCain, who have sacrificed so much for his country already and Ron Paul with contemporary views. You want change, vote for Ron Paul. Flat Tax, remove the FEderal Reserve, strong economic reform.
From an experienced old republican military brat and wife!
lol, but Barack goes to this chuch. http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
 
scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477908
I don't know all his positions and neither do you... I do not attend his church, however I see nothing wrong with a "black value system" and reinvesting in your community.
I now know enough about Obama's spiritual leader. He has made at a minimum racial statements from the pulpit and he promoted the honoring of a known hater in America.
I suggest you take some time to research your candidates spiritual leader.
 
scubadoo

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2478200
lol, but Barack goes to this chuch. http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
Yes, unfortunately the democratic front runner has adopted the teachings of this church. This is not a main stream religious view...but a FAR left view. The church does not put out a message of unification for all.
You then can take a look at the sermons (many contain profanity) and quotes from the leader of this church Wright. Then take into account the honoring of the magazine for the church of a known hater farrakahn.
Everybody can draw their own conclusions. Substitute the word white where you see the word black in your link and you'd have a national uproar if MCcain or Bush belonged to a church that promoted such nonsnese.
It's an issue because little is known about Obama. I was disgusted at what I read over the past few days regarding Wright and what he has said.
 
scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Granny
http:///forum/post/2478187
You are speaking of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMa?? Cannot even imagine the president of the United States with a name like this. Iran, Syria, Irag perhaps, but not the good old USA.
The man is MUSLIM, raised in the Islam religion by a Muslim father and stepfather.
And anyone voting for Hillary must be too young to remember the Clinton years. Years filled with one scandal after another and millions of American taxpayer dollars spent on court cases. Hillary almost did, and should have, ended up in Jail with her whitewater counterparts. If you get HIllary, you get Bill. AND remember that Hillarys years in office with Mr. Bill were spent trying to come up with a universal health plan and it couldnt be done. She failed then, why think she can do it now?
There are outstanding Republican candidates, Men with solid conservative values like Huckabee, Patriots like McCain, who have sacrificed so much for his country already and Ron Paul with contemporary views. You want change, vote for Ron Paul. Flat Tax, remove the FEderal Reserve, strong economic reform.
From an experienced old republican military brat and wife!
Actually, Obama was only exposed to the Muslim religion as a young child. However, his church did honor a known hater and Muslim leader Farrakahn...and the pastor of the church Obama is a member of has made numerous racist remarks and appears to be a hater as well. The sermons often contain profanity as well. All of this is verifiable...if one wishes to take the time and do the research.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477441
Thats why ... its the R behind his name and he has the best shot in winning. But lets get over the pro-choice issue... its not going to change... and lets concentrate on the real issues... McCains is back sliding to get the nom... he was against tax cuts... changed his mind to become viable.... immigration.... changed his mind to become viable... Why aren't conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh endorsing him? I think you have it right on Andy.. they are just getting on the bandwagon because he still supports the war and changed his position on taxes. Lets take a serious look at the issues our country faces and decide on a candidtate that will be best able to face those issues.
Lol, first off the War is the #1 issue for many of us. No "bandwagon" to that.
Second, you'd be best off not trying to poke at "partisan" voters. "Barack Obama has voted with a majority of his Democratic colleagues 96.5% of the time during the current Congress" McCain is at 88%. So looks like McCain is more willing to "reach across" part lines.
Rylan, you act like you are compassionate and care about genocide (in Africa at least). Have you studied the genocide that took place in SE Asia when we cut and ran from Vietnam? I'm just curious if the thought of a couple of million men, women and children being slaughtered in Iraq if we withdrew bothers you. Just another reason why some of us actually care about what happens in Iraq.
McCain is Pro Life. Again, for some of us that is important.
McCain changed his mind on taxes. Great... He's listening to his party. Obama will raise taxes. Not a tough vote there.
McCain actually hasn't changed his mind on immigration that I've seen. Many of us disagree with him on that. Still, he'd better protect our borders than Obama.
Let's take a look at the serious issues. Let's talk about how many times Obama wussed out on difficult issues and voted "Present" while he was in the Il. Senate. Do you think as President he can say "Present" when a difficult crisis emerges?
Let's talk about how many votes Obama has missed as a Senator. "Barack Obama missed 185 of 1098 votes (17%) since Jan 6, 2005 (Extremely Poor relative to peers).
"Hillary Clinton missed 152 of 2406 votes (6%) since Jan 23, 2001 (Poor relative to peers)." Not to be undone, "John McCain missed 592 of 3720 votes (16%) since Jan 22, 1997"
Let's talk about some of the key issue Obama has chosen not to vote on:
*Coburn Amdt. No. 4032; To protect ---- and sexual assault victims from HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases.
*FISA Amendments Act of 2007 (Hey, who care if we can't listen in on terrorist phone calls, right?)
*Recovery Rebates and Economic Stimulus for the American People Act of 2008
*National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008
*This amendment to the Homeland Security Act of 2002 was made in order to implement the recommendations made by the 9/11 commission.
Obama loves to use the words "hope" and "change". I personally hope if he becomes President he'll change his voting habits and show up to work occasionally.
 
1journeyman

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I am curious how a US Senator and Presidential candidate can be a member of a "congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA"... (from the TUCC webpage)
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Masta Man
http:///forum/post/2478023
Not to offend anyone, but hunting Osama doesn't really have an affect over the terrorist groups they will just get a new leader. There is little that we can really do to destroy an organization like Al Qaeda, just a money drain. I support Obama personally, I don't think that Hillary will be able to take the slandering that the republicans will put her way, I think that republicans are more intimidated by Obama than Hill.
I reject this completely. I believe America can defeat Al Qaeda. If we don't we'll all be bowing to Meccas 5 times a day...
I'm not intimidated by Obama. I'm just saddend that many of his supporters don't have a clue what he stands for or how detrimental he would be for our Nation and the rest of the Free World.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Granny
http:///forum/post/2478187
You are speaking of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMa?? Cannot even imagine the president of the United States with a name like this. Iran, Syria, Irag perhaps, but not the good old USA.
The man is MUSLIM, ...
Granny, please do not post false statements. You make our legitimate criticisms of Obama weaker sounding when you do so.
 
oscardeuce

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It is my understanding Obama was raised Mulsim and converted to Christianity. It is my understanding he attented Madrasa as a child. How that affects his thinking, only he knows. In an election were Romney was referred to a Mormon zealot, why not question Obama's religious past? Oh, I forgot when you're a democrat it's different. I can tell you if Obama was a Republican or worse a Conservative this WOULD be THE issue.
When I look at him I do not see a former Muslim, or a Black man. I see a socialist. That is why he does not have my support. Socialism ( at the federal level at least) is not Constitutional.
BTW anyone rememeber their High School History and the term "carpet bagger". I think Hillary's picture is next to that definition. She is also a socialist.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477906
What does his comments have to do with anything or the primaries... what are you talking about? None of these people keep anybody in check... Farrakahn is a leader of a black muslim organization which the majority of blacks disagree with, Sharpton and Jackson are civil rights leaders... not the leaders of african americans... we did not elect them... The majority of black people vote democratic because they talk about things that are important to us... and they seek our vote, unlike republicans who do very little to reach out to black audiences or voters... Condi is not a villian... I would assume most black people respect her and the position she is in ... however we don't agree with the Bush Admin and the Foreign Policy she champions...
Even though his comments in this post are unnecessary... meaning they have no reason to be in a political thread....what are racists about them?
Since appointing the highest ranking african american in public office today isn't enough "reaching out."
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/fi...in_rwanda.html
 
scubadoo

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Well, well, well...it looks like the left wing where Obama resides and the hate America message from his church and spiritual leader has raised its ugly head through Mrs Tap Dancer..
I told you folks this guy if FAR LEFT....and that is where the hate America theme is chanted. He must knock Ted Kennedy down every day rushing over to the moveon.orgers.
Shameful in my opinion. Obama=wrong for America.
It's time folks wake up and look past the "show".
 
scubadoo

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2478605
I am curious how a US Senator and Presidential candidate can be a member of a "congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA"... (from the TUCC webpage)
I can understand how a US Senator can be a member of an organization like that.....becasue he only represents a district.
However, that church is no where near main stram and the message is FAR LEFT..which is where Bobo stands every day. In the general election it will be more of a factor most likely...and Wright and his racist and hateful quotes will come back to haunt Obama.
There is NO justifying what Wright has said from the pulpit. He is a hater racist.
 
oscardeuce

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Hey, I found and Obama sponsered legislation!
SB 2433
Now, we enter a global war on poverty! We get to send a tax to the UN, and ratify all UN treaties, including the smalls arms treaty. The UN small arms treaty is in direct violation of the Constitution.
Sen. Obama also wants to raise taxes. The marginal tax rate for those making $100,000 ( not really "rich" anymore). Would be 52% to almost 60%. Add in a "death tax" of 55% and we the people keep about 30% of OUR money. Obama also wants to increase the cap on the medicare tax from the current $91,000 or so level to over $100,000. Small business owners will suffer the burden of this "progressive" scheme.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." That seems to be what the left is saying.
Anyone else consider Obama/Clinton Marxist or socialists here?
 
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