Obama supporters. I have one question

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2480523
I guess the change Obama wants to bring is copying speeches also...must be running out of "fresh" ideas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCE-hVYw2as
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgctsioisJg
He's got the momentum in the democratic primaries...but he will fizzle out in the general should he make it as he is way to the left for most of America. Once Americans look at his record and where he stands....he'll probably end up with about 40% of the vote in a general election. His racist church will also do him in should he reach the general...based the hate speech it puts out and the honring of Farrakahn...a known hater and racist..
 
scubadoo

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2480464
Hey, I found and Obama sponsered legislation!
SB 2433
Now, we enter a global war on poverty! We get to send a tax to the UN, and ratify all UN treaties, including the smalls arms treaty. The UN small arms treaty is in direct violation of the Constitution.
Sen. Obama also wants to raise taxes. The marginal tax rate for those making $100,000 ( not really "rich" anymore). Would be 52% to almost 60%. Add in a "death tax" of 55% and we the people keep about 30% of OUR money. Obama also wants to increase the cap on the medicare tax from the current $91,000 or so level to over $100,000. Small business owners will suffer the burden of this "progressive" scheme.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." That seems to be what the left is saying.
Anyone else consider Obama/Clinton Marxist or socialists here?
Of couse Obama is a socialist. He is FAR to the left. He'll be rejected in the general should he make it. his views will become more widely known and I predict America will reject Obama in the general.
I once thought he would be tough to beat but I no longer think so. I've researched the guy over the past couple weeks and he is as far to the left as you can get.
 
oscardeuce

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I'm still looking for an Obama supporter to call him a socialist.
Anyone have the guts?
Is this the "change" Obama touts? Capitalism to socialism?
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2482183
I'm still looking for an Obama supporter to call him a socialist.
Anyone have the guts?
Is this the "change" Obama touts? Capitalism to socialism?
Sure sounded like that at the Toyota center in houston. Freaked me out.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2482183
I'm still looking for an Obama supporter to call him a socialist.
Anyone have the guts?...
LOL, are you kidding? We can't even get the resident Obama supporter to admit Obama's health care program in a "universal" plan; Even though Obama's very quote calling it that from Obama's website has been repeatedly link and quoted for him.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2482421
LOL, are you kidding? We can't even get the resident Obama supporter to admit Obama's health care program in a "universal" plan; Even though Obama's very quote calling it that from Obama's website has been repeatedly link and quoted for him.
lol, today on the radio "I offer a healthcare plan that covers everyone" Osama Obama.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2478601
Lol, first off the War is the #1 issue for many of us. No "bandwagon" to that.
Second, you'd be best off not trying to poke at "partisan" voters. "Barack Obama has voted with a majority of his Democratic colleagues 96.5% of the time during the current Congress" McCain is at 88%. So looks like McCain is more willing to "reach across" part lines.
Rylan, you act like you are compassionate and care about genocide (in Africa at least). Have you studied the genocide that took place in SE Asia when we cut and ran from Vietnam? I'm just curious if the thought of a couple of million men, women and children being slaughtered in Iraq if we withdrew bothers you. Just another reason why some of us actually care about what happens in Iraq.
McCain is Pro Life. Again, for some of us that is important.
McCain changed his mind on taxes. Great... He's listening to his party. Obama will raise taxes. Not a tough vote there.
McCain actually hasn't changed his mind on immigration that I've seen. Many of us disagree with him on that. Still, he'd better protect our borders than Obama.
Let's take a look at the serious issues. Let's talk about how many times Obama wussed out on difficult issues and voted "Present" while he was in the Il. Senate. Do you think as President he can say "Present" when a difficult crisis emerges?
Let's talk about how many votes Obama has missed as a Senator. "Barack Obama missed 185 of 1098 votes (17%) since Jan 6, 2005 (Extremely Poor relative to peers).
"Hillary Clinton missed 152 of 2406 votes (6%) since Jan 23, 2001 (Poor relative to peers)." Not to be undone, "John McCain missed 592 of 3720 votes (16%) since Jan 22, 1997"
Let's talk about some of the key issue Obama has chosen not to vote on:
*Coburn Amdt. No. 4032; To protect ---- and sexual assault victims from HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases.
*FISA Amendments Act of 2007 (Hey, who care if we can't listen in on terrorist phone calls, right?)
*Recovery Rebates and Economic Stimulus for the American People Act of 2008
*National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008
*This amendment to the Homeland Security Act of 2002 was made in order to implement the recommendations made by the 9/11 commission.
Obama loves to use the words "hope" and "change". I personally hope if he becomes President he'll change his voting habits and show up to work occasionally.

-McCain and Obama vote patterns are relatively the same. Its a difference of 10 votes.
-I'm Pro-Life but I don't think this should be federal
-Taxes need to raised ... look at our defecit... I agree with democrats and they should be rasised on those its not going to affect.
-No I have not look at SE Asia, however.. genocide is currently happening in Africa by islamist extremist... he says he regrets Rwanda, yet its hypocritical because its currently happening and he wants to prevent a possible future occurance, but ignores the current situation.
Flip flop on tax... to gain the nomination...if he didn't change position he would not be electable.
Immigration.. he wanted to give ammnesty with out securing borders... Republican and democrats both don't agree with this.
Senate of Illinois has a different structure than US Senate.. a vote for present is a vote for yes, except there needs to be some slight changes for a full vote of yes.
I'm not familar with all the other votes... was he in the Senate in 2002? to vote no?
The economic stimulas plan didn't include the elderly or retired if I am correct... there was one thing he wanted to add is why he voted no...
FISA thing I believe is unconstitutional... we can listen to terrorist, but can't just listen to someone because they are muslim and attend a mosque... Didn't this bill give the right to listen and ask questions later or there was no need for a warrant.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2478628
It is my understanding Obama was raised Mulsim and converted to Christianity. It is my understanding he attented Madrasa as a child. How that affects his thinking, only he knows. In an election were Romney was referred to a Mormon zealot, why not question Obama's religious past? Oh, I forgot when you're a democrat it's different. I can tell you if Obama was a Republican or worse a Conservative this WOULD be THE issue.
When I look at him I do not see a former Muslim, or a Black man. I see a socialist. That is why he does not have my support. Socialism ( at the federal level at least) is not Constitutional.
BTW anyone rememeber their High School History and the term "carpet bagger". I think Hillary's picture is next to that definition. She is also a socialist.
He wasn't a former muslim and did not attend a madrasa.. these accusations have all been found to be false... Say a report on the school and the journalist went there to find if these were true, and they were false.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2482533
Senate of Illinois has a different structure than US Senate.. a vote for present is a vote for yes, except there needs to be some slight changes for a full vote of yes.
so how does the osama coolaid taste?
 
fats71

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While watching a interview of him on tv I can not remember who it was with the question was asked,... What music do you listen too and he responded "GANGSTA RAP" i GOTTA KEEP IT REAL
If thats someones choice in music fine but lets face it most of it degrades women, condones beating a hoe robbing sellin crack blah blah blah. I listen to some of the music he said he listened too I was like wow this guy is running for president who would vote for him but I guess some here certainly will..
As for me and my homies were on the republican tip dawg!!!
 
sigmachris

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Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2482623
While watching a interview of him on tv I can not remember who it was with the question was asked,... What music do you listen too and he responded "GANGSTA RAP" i GOTTA KEEP IT REAL
If thats someones choice in music fine but lets face it most of it degrades women, condones beating a hoe robbing sellin crack blah blah blah. I listen to some of the music he said he listened too I was like wow this guy is running for president who would vote for him but I guess some here certainly will..
As for me and my homies were on the republican tip dawg!!!
I find it hard to believe Obama listens to gangster rap. Please find that video or article, that would be funny if it is true, but I doubt it.
 
1journeyman

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Wow.. once again a thread full of false statements.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2482533
-McCain and Obama vote patterns are relatively the same. Its a difference of 10 votes.
huh? Explain this one please. Obama has voted with the Democrats 96% of his career votes. McCain has voted with the Republican party 88% of the time. Please explain to me the difference of 10 votes.

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2482533
-I'm Pro-Life but I don't think this should be federal
-Taxes need to raised ... look at our defecit... I agree with democrats and they should be rasised on those its not going to affect
I agree with you on abortion. It should be a State's Rights issue. Guess which party has made it a Federal one?
Taxes do not need to be raised. Spending needs to be cut. Pelosi said if she was Speaker of the House pork barrel projects and earmarks would be abolished. Still waiting...
Higher taxes hurt everyone. The higher you tax, the less jobs that are created. Ever been given a good paying job by a poor person Rylan?
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2482533
-No I have not look at SE Asia, however.. genocide is currently happening in Africa by islamist extremist... he says he regrets Rwanda, yet its hypocritical because its currently happening and he wants to prevent a possible future occurance, but ignores the current situation.
Well then educate yourself and we'll discuss it more fully. I've tried repeatedly to provide information for you and you always fail to read or look for it yourself. MILIIONS died in SE Asia. The genocide in Asia was our fault. The genocide in Africa is the Africans faults. There lies the difference. To try to blame all of the issues in Africa on Islamic Extremists is absurd. Africa's been a mess since long before Muhammed ever walked the desert.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2482533
Flip flop on tax... to gain the nomination...if he didn't change position he would not be electable
That's a dumb point. Obama is for higher taxes and you seem to think he is electable. McCain is listening to his party. That's a good thing...
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2482533
Immigration.. he wanted to give ammnesty with out securing borders... Republican and democrats both don't agree with this.
I think he's off on this one, but then again so are Hillary and Obama. At least McCain has shown as he runs for office he's willing to listen to our concerns... Regardless, as Obama's policy is certainly no better and he is certainly far less experienced It's a wash.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2482533
Senate of Illinois has a different structure than US Senate.. a vote for present is a vote for yes, except there needs to be some slight changes for a full vote of yes.
LOL, that's funny. Guess what, I've been dscussing his time in the US Senate. NOT the Il. Senate. That said, you're full of it. A vote of "present" in the Il. Senate does NOT mean "yes". It means he didn't want to vote on record...
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2482533
The economic stimulas plan didn't include the elderly or retired if I am correct......
Why don't you look this stuff up for yourself?
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2482533
FISA thing I believe is unconstitutional... we can listen to terrorist, but can't just listen to someone because they are muslim and attend a mosque... Didn't this bill give the right to listen and ask questions later or there was no need for a warrant.
Do you know what FISA stands for Rylan?
FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Act. Since when did the Constitution apply to NON US CITIZENS? How can a bill that doesn't apply to Americans be Unconstitutional?
Please explain the Bill as you understand it and how it is Unconstitutional. Please site specifically what section of the Constitution applies.
 
bdhutier

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How abut this:
http://allhiphop.com/stories/news/ar.../19107681.aspx
"I gotta admit – lately I’ve been listening to a lot of Jay-Z. This new American Gangster album is [good]. Kanye, I like. I enjoy some of the newer stuff. Honestly, I love the art of Hip-Hop. I don’t always love the message of Hip-Hop."
After being asked if he liked Hip-Hop, the Illinois Senator replied, "Of course."
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2482702
Wow.. once again a thread full of false statements.
huh? Explain this one please. Obama has voted with the Democrats 96% of his career votes. McCain has voted with the Republican party 88% of the time. Please explain to me the difference of 10 votes.

I agree with you on abortion. It should be a State's Rights issue. Guess which party has made it a Federal one?
Taxes do not need to be raised. Spending needs to be cut. Pelosi said if she was Speaker of the House pork barrel projects and earmarks would be abolished. Still waiting...
Higher taxes hurt everyone. The higher you tax, the less jobs that are created. Ever been given a good paying job by a poor person Rylan?
Well then educate yourself and we'll discuss it more fully. I've tried repeatedly to provide information for you and you always fail to read or look for it yourself. MILIIONS died in SE Asia. The genocide in Asia was our fault. The genocide in Africa is the Africans faults. There lies the difference. To try to blame all of the issues in Africa on Islamic Extremists is absurd. Africa's been a mess since long before Muhammed ever walked the desert.
That's a dumb point. Obama is for higher taxes and you seem to think he is electable. McCain is listening to his party. That's a good thing...
I think he's off on this one, but then again so are Hillary and Obama. At least McCain has shown as he runs for office he's willing to listen to our concerns... Regardless, as Obama's policy is certainly no better and he is certainly far less experienced It's a wash.
LOL, that's funny. Guess what, I've been dscussing his time in the US Senate. NOT the Il. Senate. That said, you're full of it. A vote of "present" in the Il. Senate does NOT mean "yes". It means he didn't want to vote on record...
Why don't you look this stuff up for yourself?
Do you know what FISA stands for Rylan?
FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Act. Since when did the Constitution apply to NON US CITIZENS? How can a bill that doesn't apply to Americans be Unconstitutional?
Please explain the Bill as you understand it and how it is Unconstitutional. Please site specifically what section of the Constitution applies.
Thank you I didn't feel like type that much.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2482758
Thank you I didn't feel like type that much.

No problem. LOL. I started reading some more left wing blogs recently. It's getting fun to anticipate Rylan's arguments and already having sites bookmarked to repute the spin
 
fats71

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Originally Posted by SigmaChris
http:///forum/post/2482652
I find it hard to believe Obama listens to gangster rap. Please find that video or article, that would be funny if it is true, but I doubt it.

I love how he in one sentence says how he LOVES the album "american gangsta"
then when he realizes what he just said made it into something completely different...
He thinks they use the "N" word alittle too much weell honestly a a hillbilly redneck I think they should not use it at all alittle different from some of my peers but I think GOD made us all equal imho.
Anyway, some guy that says " it's tight" refering to gangsta rap will never be my choice in a president .
If I say something on the forums to be facts dont doubt me lol.
 
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