Obama supporters. I have one question

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2539161
What happened to all these Democrat ++++ - What happened? - The wealthy tax cut and spend republicans took over......
Most New Jobs Ever Created Under a Single Administration: The economy has created more than 22.5 million jobs in less than eight years—the most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, are in the private sector.
Median Family Income Up $6,000 since 1993: Economic gains have been made across the spectrum as family incomes increased for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income has increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).
Unemployment at Its Lowest Level in More than 30 Years: Overall unemployment has dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. The unemployment rate has been below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans has fallen from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in October 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics has fallen from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in October 2000, also the lowest rate on record.
Lowest Inflation since the 1960s: Inflation is at the lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and it is down from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.
hmm I'm still waiting for the link to your last set of numbers, instead of linking somewhere else.

 

[stdreb27]

btw you really should consider not posting info written by clinton staffers on the Clinton website as "proof" for your flawed arguments...
It doesn't boad well for your arguments.
http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accompli...tyears-02.html

 

[zman1]

WOW, the Bush budget surplus will be by 2012. That's a plan - 4 years after being out of office. That's 12 years after inheriting a reduced national debt and previous years of budget surplus'. We can't take another 4 years McCainBush.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020401174.html
Democrats yesterday criticized the five-year budget plan as overly optimistic, and predicted that extending the tax cuts past their 2010 expiration date would dig the nation deeper into debt rather than produce a budget surplus. Republicans countered that the tax cuts are critical to maintaining a healthy economy and that a balanced budget is not possible without them.

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Frankly, I am not for maintaning the healthy economy we have today. I wouldn't describe it as healthy...... If they would drop the word healthy that would be more accurate and inline with the Bush doctrine.
balanced budget is not possible without them. Dang it, the republicans must be correct. Wait, we did that when Clinton was President, darn it, wrong again.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/post/2539186
btw you really should consider not posting info written by clinton staffers on the Clinton website as "proof" for your flawed arguments...
It doesn't boad well for your arguments.
http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accompli...tyears-02.html
I don't see how - I included a link in my post above if you looked-- you didn't find me out

From the Clinton (WH) White House years.
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/306986/obama-supporters-i-have-one-question/1540#post_2539152
Are you saying they are lies? Which plan number and signed date do you contend is a lie and not creditable?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2539167
I personally, and very strongly believe that we can spend our time in much better ways rather than advocating for or taking up the cause of drug dealers and criminals. Ryan, you seem intelligent, law abiding, and open to communication and ideas, why waste your valuable time extolling the woos of drugs dealers, pushers, users, and other criminals? Those types, whether black, white, or green, bring our society down.
Call me nuts, but there are much better causes out there to advocate on behalf of.
Unless a cop starts to hurl racial slurs at you when they pull you over, or treat you in a racially demeaning way, I'm not sure why this would be so annoying (aside from just being stopped is a big hassle). Personally, I wish the cops in my town would do some of this to some of the people driving around....this place may be a tad safer. I'd be interested in hearing from any law enforcement folks on this end of things.
Racism today in many ways is unspoken... meaning that they won't call you name in your face or have a sign that says "Whites Only", but they discriminate based on saying your pants are too baggy, or we are full... when none of those are true... they'll basically come up with some sort of untruth and use it against you...
As far as drug dealers... I think this is important.. not because I like what they do, I also acknowledge the destruction drugs do to the community... With that said it is a concern for me because the drug war affects the black community in a very negative way... It its a cycle that fuels the inablity to earn a living because of the felony conviction, it is a leading cause for single family homes, it is a leading cause for other crimes including murder, it affects us all because the jail population is mostly made up of these individualswho are nonviolent and whom are very low level participants ...There are so many residuals from it...
There has to be a solution to break the cycle... I believe that 1st drug crimes should be prosecuted equally...
I also believe that prison is not the answer for many of these people... I believe in punishment... but our society would be better if we could educate and prepare these individuals for trades... My concentration would be on rehabilitation and with the opportunity to go back home and being able to feed their family w/o having to resort back to dealing drugs.
For drug users... I would concentrate on rehab... these people have addictions... and no matter if they spend a year in jail or not... they still have the same habit... I would concentrate on treatment and changing previous habits...
All this would be cheaper and do more for the economy than our current prison system.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2539186
..
It doesn't boad well....
The truth does that to some hard-core republicans.
From the same, other quotes.....
Clinton-Gore Economic Policy Has Dramatically Improved the Economy
"My colleagues and I have been very appreciative of your [President Clinton’s] support of the Fed over the years, and your commitment to fiscal discipline has been instrumental in achieving what in a few weeks will be the longest economic expansion in the nation’s history."
— Alan Greenspan, Federal Reserve Board Chairman, January 4, 2000, with President Clinton at Chairman Greenspan’s re-nomination announcement
"The deficit has come down, and I give the Clinton Administration and President Clinton himself a lot of credit for that. [He] did something about it, fast. And I think we are seeing some benefits."
— Paul Volcker, Federal Reserve Board Chairman (1979-1987), in Audacity, Fall 1994
One of the reasons Goldman Sachs cites for the "best economy ever" is that "on the policy side, trade, fiscal, and monetary policies have been excellent, working in ways that have facilitated growth without inflation. The Clinton Administration has worked to liberalize trade and has used any revenue windfalls to reduce the federal budget deficit."
— Goldman Sachs, March 1998
"Clinton’s 1993 budget cuts, which reduced projected red ink by more than $400 billion over five years, sparked a major drop in interest rates that helped boost investment in all the equipment and systems that brought forth the New Age economy of technological innovation and rising productivity."
— Business Week, May 19, 1997

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2539180
hmm I'm still waiting for the link to your last set of numbers, instead of linking somewhere else.
"Clintons" economy is a creation of hype and lies.
Lie #1 It's the economy stupid. Yep, people were pretty stupid. The recession had ended by mid 91 but you would have never known it based on the media reporting during the 92 election cycle. there had been 6 quarters of positive economic growth by the end of 2002 but Clinton was credited with ending the recession.
Lie #2 The clinton deficit reduction plan. That was the tax increase all the republicans voted against. Fact is the Clinton plan only accounted for a small sliver of deficit reduction and that was from cutting military and intelligence spending, that paid off reall well

Hype: Economic explosion low unemployment etc. All the big economic gains that occured in the 90's happened AFTER the republicans took control of Congress in 95. Clinton was drug dragging and screaming into welfare reform and spending cuts but he does deserve credit for going along with the Conservative Republicans once he saw the results..
The 90.s economy was good but the Democrats weren't the reason.
Here's a visual of the state of the 90's economy

http://www.senate.gov/comm/budget/releases/budget.html

 

[masta man]

What power do the "terrorists" have over us? Do they really pose a threat? If not what is the reason to continuously fret over them.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2539242
The truth does that to some hard-core republicans.
From the same, other quotes.....
Clinton-Gore Economic Policy Has Dramatically Improved the Economy
"My colleagues and I have been very appreciative of your [President Clinton’s] support of the Fed over the years, and your commitment to fiscal discipline has been instrumental in achieving what in a few weeks will be the longest economic expansion in the nation’s history."
— Alan Greenspan, Federal Reserve Board Chairman, January 4, 2000, with President Clinton at Chairman Greenspan’s re-nomination announcement
"The deficit has come down, and I give the Clinton Administration and President Clinton himself a lot of credit for that. [He] did something about it, fast. And I think we are seeing some benefits."
— Paul Volcker, Federal Reserve Board Chairman (1979-1987), in Audacity, Fall 1994
One of the reasons Goldman Sachs cites for the "best economy ever" is that "on the policy side, trade, fiscal, and monetary policies have been excellent, working in ways that have facilitated growth without inflation. The Clinton Administration has worked to liberalize trade and has used any revenue windfalls to reduce the federal budget deficit."
— Goldman Sachs, March 1998
"Clinton’s 1993 budget cuts, which reduced projected red ink by more than $400 billion over five years, sparked a major drop in interest rates that helped boost investment in all the equipment and systems that brought forth the New Age economy of technological innovation and rising productivity."
— Business Week, May 19, 1997
So when are you going to come clean and admit you never were a conservative?
Who is arguing that the there wasn't a wonderful economy during the early part of the clinton years.
There was to that point unpresidented growth during the 90's.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2539167
I personally, and very strongly believe that we can spend our time in much better ways rather than advocating for or taking up the cause of drug dealers and criminals. Ryan, you seem intelligent, law abiding, and open to communication and ideas, why waste your valuable time extolling the woos of drugs dealers, pushers, users, and other criminals? Those types, whether black, white, or green, bring our society down.
Call me nuts, but there are much better causes out there to advocate on behalf of criminals.
Unless a cop starts to hurl racial slurs at you when they pull you over, or treat you in a racially demeaning way, I'm not sure why this would be so annoying (aside from just being stopped is a big hassle). Personally, I wish the cops in my town would do some of this to some of the people driving around....this place may be a tad safer. I'd be interested in hearing from any law enforcement folks on this end of things.

It's amazing to me that with the number of groups watchdoging profiling that it occures in such a blatant manner.

If the so-called black community would stop listening to the race hustlers like Sharpton, Jackson and Wright (as well as the Democrat party) and stop blaming all their problems on whites they would be in a lot better shape. Have you heard some of the speeches Bill Cosby has given over the last few years? Gotta give the man credit for having guts.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Masta Man
http:///forum/post/2539258
What power do the "terrorists" have over us? Do they really pose a threat? If not what is the reason to continuously fret over them.
Well, they did kill 3,000 Americans in less than 2 hours, shut down all air travel in this country for a week, caused our stock market to lose a few thousand points, caused widespread panic in NY, cost NY millions in tourism dollars, etc.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2539296
So when are you going to come clean and admit you never were a conservative?
I never voted for Clinton. Like I told you before, I have seen the error in my ways of voting for some republicans. I vote in other elections, city, state and federal, not just presidential. I never believed in the "Tax and spend democrats" line of the republican party and they aren't

not tax but spend like ParisxHilton. Reality just confirms it..
The other line of the democrats "The Republican dirty tricks committee" never bothered me either. I am starting to see it for the truth. I also, tend not to vote for a second term president, they are a danger. They aren't worried about reelection. Their true nature comes out, that could be good or bad, mostly bad

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2539248
"Clintons" economy is a creation of hype and lies.
Let me quote a reply, since Strdreb27 hasn't jumped on this one yet ....
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2539186
"btw you really should consider not posting info written".. by a republican senator .. "website as "proof" for your flawed arguments...
It doesn't boad well for your arguments."
Didn't mean to jump too early on it Stdred -- feel free to add

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2539296
Who is arguing that the there wasn't a wonderful economy during the early part of the clinton years.There was to that point unpresidented growth during the 90's.
I am just saying we need a democrat for president this time, not another McCainBush republican.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2539402
I am just saying we need a democrat for president this time, not another McCainBush republican.
The thing I find most ironic is this "McCainBush" misnomer. If anythese these two people have been fighting for the past 8 years. McCain has been embracing more liberal ideology, global warming, taxes, government intervention in the private sector, the "league of Democracies." (really simular to the Kerry test foreign policy position) as well as several other positions, he has thrown people from his own party under the straight talk express for using Obama's full name, while maintaining this ideology of "above board" politics. Heck the moron flirted with leaving the party, and a different time considered joining the Kerry ticket. This connection that you libs are trying to make by going around calling it McCainBush is just assinine. Unless you want to argue that in the last 2 years of his presidency that Bush is getting more and more liberal. Like McCain has over the last 8 years.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by reefraff;2539248[/IMG
http://www.senate.gov/comm/budget/releases/budget.html

Although, I am curious who he is crediting the current condition of the economy, since he is still in the senate....

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2539414
The thing I find most ironic is this "McCainBush" misnomer.
He's got to change his views and ways to get the conservative votes. That actually, I don't like. However, I do believe if he gets elected, his recent shift to the right will go out the window. This is what I am actually counting on, if he gets elected. I just don't think we can sustain the long term cost of Iraq. TORT REFORM for war cost. Get a plan to get out or just take the oil to pay for it.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2539431
He's got to change his views and ways to get the conservative votes. That actually, I don't like. However, I do believe if he gets elected, his recent shift to the right will go out the window. This is what I am actually counting on, if he gets elected. I just don't think we can sustain the long term cost of Iraq. TORT REFORM for war cost. Get a plan to get out or just take the oil to pay for it.
If that is what you really believe then why post "McCainBush?"

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2539480
If that is what you really believe then why post "McCainBush?"
Because he is willing to keep throwing borrowed money out the window of the straight talk express bus on Iraq. Get a plan and get out or take the oil to pay for it. I haven't heard either from him, that would follow Bush doctine. Also, same economic policy, no policy. Therefore, McCainBush...

 

[1journeyman]

McCain's economic policy is quite simple; Let the Free Market decide.
That's what our Nation was built upon.... Taxes, tariffs, punishing publically traded companies for making "too much" profit, bailing out businesses and consumers for stupid decisions..... all bad ideas that goes directly against what our economy and Gov. should look like.