Obama to address your kids at school??

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3135360
And I will say again, watch Beck, not what Media matters or anyone else says about him.
Actually, I tuned in on him Saturday, and he was actually making some sense about what was wrong with the political system in Washington. He was talking about how there was this hugh division in the political system due to the 'Us vs. Them' attitudes between the Republicans and Democrats. He was making some good points and logical deductions about the problems in Congress. Then all of a sudden, he starts showing these out of context quotes that Obama and other Democrats have made. Next thing you know he starts on this 912Project initiative of his, and he went WAY off base after that. I honestly can't figure out what he's trying to accomplish. One minute he wants to break the division between the two parties, the next he makes Obama look like the Second Coming of Hitler.

 

[angler man]

Bionicarm,
I posted the beginning of the 9/12 project in the thread that says "Finally, something that makes sense politically".
Honestly, watch it. This isn't about Republicans(which I'm not) or Democrats. I know you are an intelligent guy. I know you and I both want something great for this nation. We may not be as different as you may think.
Glenn Beck has his radio show on from 9-12 in the mornings PT, I am asking you to listen and honestly show me the lies you are hearing. I'm willing to listen to you and see your point of view here.
Listen for a week. I hate dishonesty with a passion. If you can find some I'll listen to you. Tomorrow is going to be something big supposedly. At least try tomorrow.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Angler man
http:///forum/post/3135457
Bionicarm,
I posted the beginning of the 9/12 project in the thread that says "Finally, something that makes sense politically".
Honestly, watch it. This isn't about Republicans(which I'm not) or Democrats. I know you are an intelligent guy. I know you and I both want something great for this nation. We may not be as different as you may think.
Glenn Beck has his radio show on from 9-12 in the mornings PT, I am asking you to listen and honestly show me the lies you are hearing. I'm willing to listen to you and see your point of view here.
Listen for a week. I hate dishonesty with a passion. If you can find some I'll listen to you. Tomorrow is going to be something big supposedly. At least try tomorrow.
No thanks. I have better thing s to do with my time than listen to yet another overrated personality make millions for providing absolutely no pertinent substance to the issues at hand.
Tell you what. You show me what you think he is saying that's accurate, and I'll tell you why he's 'half correct'. The problem with journalists like Beck is they twist he facts ever so slightly so that they meet their agenda. Beck will throw one-liners from an Obama speech to try and get his point across, but if you were to listen to the entire speech, you'd see exactly the point Obama was trying to make. It's called deceptive journalism. Knowing Beck, he's probably found the 'smoking gun' behind Obama's birth records.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3135393
Actually, I tuned in on him Saturday, and he was actually making some sense about what was wrong with the political system in Washington. He was talking about how there was this hugh division in the political system due to the 'Us vs. Them' attitudes between the Republicans and Democrats. He was making some good points and logical deductions about the problems in Congress. Then all of a sudden, he starts showing these out of context quotes that Obama and other Democrats have made. Next thing you know he starts on this 912Project initiative of his, and he went WAY off base after that. I honestly can't figure out what he's trying to accomplish. One minute he wants to break the division between the two parties, the next he makes Obama look like the Second Coming of Hitler.
Obama may be the next coming of Hitler

I didn't watch Beck on Saturday, more important issues to attend to, COLLEGE FOOTBALL BABY!!!
Anyway I have not seen Beck mess with out of context clips on his weekday show, can't say about the Saturday show. What I like about the guy is he isn't acting like he knows all the answers. He's just shinning the light on the problems. The us vs them thing is a biggie. The politicians love it because it basically insures the two party system will remain in power.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3135535
Obama may be the next coming of Hitler

Either you are too young, or too ill-read to understand that this comment is...well, insane comes to mind, but wildly insane may more correctly describe it. I've read many of your posts, and while I disagree with you more than I agree, I do occasionally agree with you, but this is just off the wall. Shame on you!

 

[reefraff]

Beck on Obama Birth Certificate issue
"
WND Exclusive BORN IN THE USA?
Now Glenn Beck slams Obama birth issue
'What, are you going to take him out of office? You can't do that'
Posted: August 03, 2009
6:30 pm Eastern
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Fox News Channel host Glenn Beck says people should be focusing on the goals President Obama is pursuing and the way he is reaching them instead of questioning his eligibility to be president.
"I have to tell you, the – I mean, first of all, the birther thing, what are you going to do. Even if it was true, what, are you going to take him out of office?" he said today on his radio show. "You can't do that."
Beck's comments came during a segment when columnist Michelle Malkin was discussing the dangers of the dozens of "czars" appointed by Obama to run various projects"
Seems reasonable to me

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3135538
Either you are too young, or too ill-read to understand that this comment is...well, insane comes to mind, but wildly insane may more correctly describe it. I've read many of your posts, and while I disagree with you more than I agree, I do occasionally agree with you, but this is just off the wall. Shame on you!
Is the sarcasm indicated by the smiley lost on you?

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3135540
Is the sarcasm indicated by the smiley lost on you?
Apparently, so. It's just that some comments are so far out of bounds that irony fails. Sorry.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3135544
Apparently, so. It's just that some comments are so far out of bounds that irony fails. Sorry.
Why out of bounds? The notion is so absurd nobody should take it seriously. Funny how you aren't allowed to take shots at Obama. It's like the Joe Wilson thing. The Democrats have their panties in a wad over him calling Obama a liar and despite the fact he and Obama settled it man to man the Democrats are out to humiliate him for daring to say what at least half the country thinks. It doesn't come close to some of the things members of congress said about Bush, even on the house floor but thats OK.
Sunday a bunch of elitists in the media were "shocked" over some of the tea party signs like "Bury Obama's Heath Care in the same hole as Ted Kennedy" Never heard them complain about:
Bush Lied, People Died
My president is a bigger moron than yours
Adolph W Bushtler
And numerous others
I have seen several different picture from marches where Bush was hung in effigy, could you imagine the furor if someone did that with Obama?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3135556
Why out of bounds? The notion is so absurd nobody should take it seriously. Funny how you aren't allowed to take shots at Obama. It's like the Joe Wilson thing. The Democrats have their panties in a wad over him calling Obama a liar and despite the fact he and Obama settled it man to man the Democrats are out to humiliate him for daring to say what at least half the country thinks. It doesn't come close to some of the things members of congress said about Bush, even on the house floor but thats OK.
Sunday a bunch of elitists in the media were "shocked" over some of the tea party signs like "Bury Obama's Heath Care in the same hole as Ted Kennedy" Never heard them complain about:
Bush Lied, People Died
My president is a bigger moron than yours
Adolph W Bushtler
And numerous others
I have seen several different picture from marches where Bush was hung in effigy, could you imagine the furor if someone did that with Obama?
I agree with you that there was plenty of Bush bashing during his two terms, but this type of stuff has been going on with Obama before he was even elected. It's like the mainstream right has immediately labeled him a detractor, and nothing he does will change their minds or attitudes. I was a Bush fan during his first term, but some of his second-term policies and decisions turned me off on him big time. I don't think I've ever witnessed as much hatred towards a political leader, especially the POTUS, as I have since Obama has been in office. And what's stupid about it is the guy really hasn't enacted that much legislation to cause such a furor.
As far as the Wilson situation, the Dems are just going after him based on the Decorum or 'Capitol Protocol' when it comes to disrupting a senior officer while they are speaking.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3135591
I agree with you that there was plenty of Bush bashing during his two terms, but this type of stuff has been going on with Obama before he was even elected. It's like the mainstream right has immediately labeled him a detractor, and nothing he does will change their minds or attitudes. I was a Bush fan during his first term, but some of his second-term policies and decisions turned me off on him big time. I don't think I've ever witnessed as much hatred towards a political leader, especially the POTUS, as I have since Obama has been in office. And what's stupid about it is the guy really hasn't enacted that much legislation to cause such a furor.
As far as the Wilson situation, the Dems are just going after him based on the Decorum or 'Capitol Protocol' when it comes to disrupting a senior officer while they are speaking.

You really don't remember Bush's first term before 9/11 do you. Then 1 year after 9/11....the vile stuff said was equally repugnant during those times.
The other thing you have to remember is a lot of the things said are directed at washington in general. Not just the Potus. And while you say he has not enacted that much legislation, if you look at the money added to the deficit by what has passed and look at what he is pushing to pass, this is why you have the outburst. He is trying to pass to much to fast....and this country has never done well with alot of significant changes in a short amount of time....if he were to take baby steps, you wouldn't see this much....but with the significant size of the bills he wants to pass....these are not baby steps.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3135679
You really don't remember Bush's first term before 9/11 do you. Then 1 year after 9/11....the vile stuff said was equally repugnant during those times.
The other thing you have to remember is a lot of the things said are directed at washington in general. Not just the Potus. And while you say he has not enacted that much legislation, if you look at the money added to the deficit by what has passed and look at what he is pushing to pass, this is why you have the outburst. He is trying to pass to much to fast....and this country has never done well with alot of significant changes in a short amount of time....if he were to take baby steps, you wouldn't see this much....but with the significant size of the bills he wants to pass....these are not baby steps.
That was my point about Bush. I personally think he made some major political errors after 9/11, and his popularity went downhill from there.
Most of the legislation Obama has passed was instigated by Bush. Not saying that it was wise of him to continue the process, but that's where it came from. To me, Obama is trying to run the government like a large corporation. He has all these visions to make his business profitable, and he wants to implement them as quickly as possible to get fast returns on his investments. Problem is, the Federal Government doesn't work that way. He doesn't have control of his Board Members, and his 'stock holders' are leary with how he's handling the capital. His other problem is he thinks he has an unlimited bank account in which to draw credit from. So in that respect, you are correct in your assessments.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3135591
I agree with you that there was plenty of Bush bashing during his two terms, but this type of stuff has been going on with Obama before he was even elected. It's like the mainstream right has immediately labeled him a detractor, and nothing he does will change their minds or attitudes. I was a Bush fan during his first term, but some of his second-term policies and decisions turned me off on him big time. I don't think I've ever witnessed as much hatred towards a political leader, especially the POTUS, as I have since Obama has been in office. And what's stupid about it is the guy really hasn't enacted that much legislation to cause such a furor.
As far as the Wilson situation, the Dems are just going after him based on the Decorum or 'Capitol Protocol' when it comes to disrupting a senior officer while they are speaking.
And bush wasn't attacked by the left before he was elected? They were on him like a homeless person on a pack of ACORN smokes for votes.
As house minority leader Richard Gephard referred to Bush as a "Miserable failure" several times. Don't recall him being asked to apologize. What about that waste of skin John Murhta calling those Marines murderers. He should have been expelled from the house for that but not a word.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3135591
I agree with you that there was plenty of Bush bashing during his two terms, but this type of stuff has been going on with Obama before he was even elected. It's like the mainstream right has immediately labeled him a detractor, and nothing he does will change their minds or attitudes. I was a Bush fan during his first term, but some of his second-term policies and decisions turned me off on him big time. I don't think I've ever witnessed as much hatred towards a political leader, especially the POTUS, as I have since Obama has been in office. And what's stupid about it is the guy really hasn't enacted that much legislation to cause such a furor.
As far as the Wilson situation, the Dems are just going after him based on the Decorum or 'Capitol Protocol' when it comes to disrupting a senior officer while they are speaking.

How many movies about the assasination of President Obama have been made? The left came out after Bush with lies ( Dan Rather trying to alter an election with forgeries), Movies about his death and "hate". Bush has been called a "Nazi" more times than Obama, yet the meaning of the word is more left of center than right. I too disagreed with Bush on many things (spending borders ), yet I did not hate.
I disagree with President Obama, yet I do not "hate" him. I fact, I would risk my life to defend him as POTUS even though I think everything he stands for is the polar opposite of what the Founding Fathers wrote in the Constitution. I would never wirte a story about his assasination.
I do not think the Lefty Bush bashers would say that.
BTW,
I am contibuting to Wilson's campaign as Preident Obama has lied about health care multiple times as I have pointed out on this board.

 

[reefraff]

I am sending Wilson a C note myself.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3135728
That was my point about Bush. I personally think he made some major political errors after 9/11, and his popularity went downhill from there.
Most of the legislation Obama has passed was instigated by Bush. Not saying that it was wise of him to continue the process, but that's where it came from. To me, Obama is trying to run the government like a large corporation. He has all these visions to make his business profitable, and he wants to implement them as quickly as possible to get fast returns on his investments. Problem is, the Federal Government doesn't work that way. He doesn't have control of his Board Members, and his 'stock holders' are leary with how he's handling the capital. His other problem is he thinks he has an unlimited bank account in which to draw credit from. So in that respect, you are correct in your assessments.
I am curious, just which policies passed by Obama were instigated by bush?
Second question....why would you continue with such policies from a president with an approval rating under 30% that you just spent the last 18 months bashing during your campaign?
Third question...you and many others talked about how smart and intelligent this guy is/was....now you are saying he doesn't understand why he should slow down and not move slow fast....if you and I can see this, why can't he and his team of "intelligent" advisors?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3136089
I am curious, just which policies passed by Obama were instigated by bush?
Second question....why would you continue with such policies from a president with an approval rating under 30% that you just spent the last 18 months bashing during your campaign?
Third question...you and many others talked about how smart and intelligent this guy is/was....now you are saying he doesn't understand why he should slow down and not move slow fast....if you and I can see this, why can't he and his team of "intelligent" advisors?
Try the AIG and other bank bailouts. That was Bush's baby before Obama was even elected. Obama continued it because if he didn't, it wouldv'e been money completely down the drain, as opposed to recouping some or all of it down the line. Obama hasn't been completely stupid when it comes to continuing all of Bush's policies. He's stated that if he wouldv'e just continued 'as is' when he got into office, and kept backing all the policies Bush implemented before he left office, the deficit would be a couple trillion worse in 10 years than what he wants to implement.
The problem with Obama is he's like a kid in a candy store. He finally has access to all these controls and powers, and he can't contain himself. He wants to do so much, and he actually believes four years isn't enough to get it done (He knows getting reelected isn't a sure thing). He's probably not wrong in that assessment. Look at past legislation on healthcare. Clinton took almost two years fighting for his cause, and ended up losing. If Obama sits on his laurels and lets Congress run the timetable, healthcare reform will never happen. If he sits around and waits for Congress to stop filling up bills with pork and bad legislation, none of his other policies or dreams will get fulfilled. He's a Type A person that wants results. You think he's moving too fast. Well he's already burned almost 9 months of his first year in office, and he hasn't gotten very much done. That's probably the Republican's plan. Procrastinate and keep things at a slow pace until next year's elections. Hope for the best, and regain the majority in the Senate and maybe the House. Do that, and Obama's a lame duck his last two years in office. That's the final blow to the American people and, BANG!, you have another Republican president. Isn't Washington politics great?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3136197
Try the AIG and other bank bailouts. That was Bush's baby before Obama was even elected. Obama continued it because if he didn't, it wouldv'e been money completely down the drain, as opposed to recouping some or all of it down the line. Obama hasn't been completely stupid when it comes to continuing all of Bush's policies. He's stated that if he wouldv'e just continued 'as is' when he got into office, and kept backing all the policies Bush implemented before he left office, the deficit would be a couple trillion worse in 10 years than what he wants to implement.
The problem with Obama is he's like a kid in a candy store. He finally has access to all these controls and powers, and he can't contain himself. He wants to do so much, and he actually believes four years isn't enough to get it done (He knows getting reelected isn't a sure thing). He's probably not wrong in that assessment. Look at past legislation on healthcare. Clinton took almost two years fighting for his cause, and ended up losing. If Obama sits on his laurels and lets Congress run the timetable, healthcare reform will never happen. If he sits around and waits for Congress to stop filling up bills with pork and bad legislation, none of his other policies or dreams will get fulfilled. He's a Type A person that wants results. You think he's moving too fast. Well he's already burned almost 9 months of his first year in office, and he hasn't gotten very much done. That's probably the Republican's plan. Procrastinate and keep things at a slow pace until next year's elections. Hope for the best, and regain the majority in the Senate and maybe the House. Do that, and Obama's a lame duck his last two years in office. That's the final blow to the American people and, BANG!, you have another Republican president. Isn't Washington politics great?
Oh Pa-lease. It's the Republicans fault? I get so sick and tired of hearing this lame excuse thrown out there. Obama and the Democrats can pass anything they want without a single Republican vote so that dog can't even scratch fleas, let alone hunt.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3136250
Oh Pa-lease. It's the Republicans fault? I get so sick and tired of hearing this lame excuse thrown out there. Obama and the Democrats can pass anything they want without a single Republican vote so that dog can't even scratch fleas, let alone hunt.
Darth was saying Obama is trying to move too fast to get things passed. I came up with a conspiracy theory as to why he wants to be in such a rush to get his bills passed. Is it a plausible theory? Probably not. Could it be something in the back of the Republicans minds? You bet.

 

[fishtaco]

Reefraff, I am curious about your thoughts on Beck, he seems completely crazy to me and I don't care which side of the debate you are on. Take a look at his "stand" on U.S. health care a few years ago when he had his surgery. I sure would not use any information he puts out to earn points in a debate, unless you are willing to take everything Maddow and Olberman say as fact also. The 24 hour news cycle is completely evil IMHO.