Obama to address your kids at school??

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3134519
I'm sorry that your daughter was not well, but you were the one who inserted, inappropriately, that she had not gone to school. Do you normally post on here when she is ill and not attending school? Or only when it will seem that she did not go to school because she might be contaminated by the President of the United States? I had the same reaction that bionicarm had - the I hoped that she missed school because of a (hopefully,minor) illness, and not in some misguided right-wing protest to the President.
Since when is it "Misguided" to protest the president? I wouldn't have done it but I can see where it would have been an effective way to show opposition to the event. Had the original lesson plan not been pulled I would have pulled my kids out in a heartbeat.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3134484
Thanks, jerk. I guess you will be glad to hear that she suffered from spider bites. Are multiple spider bites a good enough reason to satisfy you? Maybe polio? Small pox? Malaria? What degree of suffering should she endure before you approve of keeping her home?
Shall I send you a copy of her doctor's note? Should I send one to Obama, too? How about a facsimile of her prescription. How can I ever live up to your expectations? Judgement comes, brother, but not from the likes of you. Jerk.

Somebody didn't take their happy pill before finally going to bed. As GeriDoc said, you posted your daughter's illness in a thread where people were talking about keeping their kids home from school simply because Obama was going to make a speech to them. This wasn't a thread about parents who keep their kids home from school for unknown reasons. Maybe next time, you don't leave a simple comment like, "My daughter missed school today", instead of, "My daughter is missing school today because she's really sick from getting bit multiple times by a spider." Just face it, you posted the comment to stir the pot and it backfired on you.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3134536
Since when is it "Misguided" to protest the president? I wouldn't have done it but I can see where it would have been an effective way to show opposition to the event. Had the original lesson plan not been pulled I would have pulled my kids out in a heartbeat.
But you didn't! Many did, and they were misguided by the vitriol of the far right, for whom nothing the President says can be acceptable.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3134536
Since when is it "Misguided" to protest the president? I wouldn't have done it but I can see where it would have been an effective way to show opposition to the event. Had the original lesson plan not been pulled I would have pulled my kids out in a heartbeat.
The entire point is it should have been a non-event, even with the lesson plan. The teacher's had an opportunity to teach an ethics lesson. What's wrong with that? At least they'd be teaching something. Now that they have a TV in every classroom, you'd be amazed what they use them for. When my daughter was in 7th grade, she'd come home and tell me that they had a substitute for a particular class, and the teacher had no lesson plan to follow, so she turned on the TV and they watched cartoons! Now that's education.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3134549
But you didn't! Many did, and they were misguided by the vitriol of the far right, for whom nothing the President says can be acceptable.
Well I don't believe a whole lot Obama says regarding health care either. Fortunately he stuck to a perfectly acceptable subject in his talk but I wouldn't call those who held their kids out misguided. They just chose a different path than I would have. I don't think it was unreasonable to fear a political speech any more than the Democrats did back when George the first or Ronnie babes did it which did result in a "Investigation" by congress at the time.

 

[zelfin]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3134549
But you didn't! Many did, and they were misguided by the vitriol of the far right, for whom nothing the President says can be acceptable.
Why is it misguided to disagree with the "Messiah" Obama?
Not everyone believes a socialist answer is the correct answer. Some people value the freedom OUR fore-fathers died to give us. Some of us work for a living and do not need the governement to support us. Maybe instead of calling the hard working, free people of america misguided, maybe you should soul search and decide why you are so intolerant other peoples views while condemning them for not accepting yours.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by Zelfin
http:///forum/post/3134790
Why is it misguided to disagree with the "Messiah" Obama?
Not everyone believes a socialist answer is the correct answer. Some people value the freedom OUR fore-fathers died to give us. Some of us work for a living and do not need the governement to support us. Maybe instead of calling the hard working, free people of america misguided, maybe you should soul search and decide why you are so intolerant other peoples views while condemning them for not accepting yours.
I freely accept other's views - see my previous post on "loyal opposition". I work hard, and don't need direct governmental support, but I do understand that there are others who work far harder than I do, and still can't make it. The freedom "OUR" (as opposed to whose, btw?) forefathers died to give us was the right to vote, which, btw, resulted in the current citizenry electing this President. And...I didn't call the "hard working, free people of America (should be capitalized out of respect for good grammar and for the country) misguided. I called those who blindly repeated the vitriol of the far right misguided because I do believe that they have been misled. If you think it was rational to protest the President of the United States giving a speech to school children, a speech that was not in any way politicized (granted, it probably got that way due to the "loyal opposition"), then I think you need to examine carefully the meaning of what our forefathers died for. While you are examining this, consider carefully too that there has been absolutely no involvement of "socialism" in the various health care proposals except for the misattribution of any government involvement as "socialism" by the vitriolic right.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by Zelfin
http:///forum/post/3131975
So here is something i do not understand.
Every person has an opinion. By general odds that means many people will not have the same oppinions. What happened to the America that believed it was a persons right to think how they want and do as they want (as long as it is not harming others).
Instead we get intolerant people being raised in america. If you do not agree with their mentality your stupid, idotic, racist, sexist, hateful, ignorant, or whatever other name they decide to use.
I find that most of the people who feel the need to insult others are doing so because of their own little prejudices. Religions that talk down to others, people who scream racism, sexism, etc. more oftan than not are the ones who are themselves intolerant of others.
So some parents do not want their children to hear Obama. Ask yourself, how does this affect YOUR life? It doesnt you say? then what did those parents do wrong?
Congratulations all of you who condemn those parents. You are being as intolerant of other peoples differences as the KKK, Black Panthers, Radical Muslim, and yes, the Nazis. These are all groups that insisted their way of thinking was better than everyone else. They all work out great, dont they?
Is it OK with your standards to just say that they were wrong, or does everyone have to agree on everything (of course, with you)?

 

[zelfin]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3135042
I called those who blindly repeated the vitriol of the far right misguided because I do believe that they have been misled.

This is the problem i am trying to point out. YOU believe they are being mislead. Because they are not intelligent people the same as you who can make their own choices in life?
Instead we need someone like you to tell them what to think and when they are thinking wrong because it is not the same thing you think?
As for capitalizing AMERICA? I stopped having pride in my country when the american SHEEPLE voted this racist, biggoted, pile of excrement into office.
I do however believe each person is allowed their own opinion. Therefore i will disagree, I will state my own opinion. But i do not tell people who disagree they are misguided, "acted stupidly", or any other quote that can be used against the free thinking american people.
But then again, it could be my "Typical White Person" side slipping out. Maybe thats it, i do not follow the Obama bullying regime so i am the racist white man who hates him because he is a black man. Wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that i disagree with him and have my own thoughts and beliefs. would it?

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by Zelfin
http:///forum/post/3135107
This is the problem i am trying to point out. YOU believe they are being mislead. Because they are not intelligent people the same as you who can make their own choices in life?
Instead we need someone like you to tell them what to think and when they are thinking wrong because it is not the same thing you think?
As for capitalizing AMERICA? I stopped having pride in my country when the american SHEEPLE voted this racist, biggoted, pile of excrement into office.
I do however believe each person is allowed their own opinion. Therefore i will disagree, I will state my own opinion. But i do not tell people who disagree they are misguided, "acted stupidly", or any other quote that can be used against the free thinking american people.
But then again, it could be my "Typical White Person" side slipping out. Maybe thats it, i do not follow the Obama bullying regime so i am the racist white man who hates him because he is a black man. Wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that i disagree with him and have my own thoughts and beliefs. would it?
Thank you very much for making my point! Please take a moment to look up the word "vitriol". Wouldn't hurt to look up "drivel" either.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Zelfin
http:///forum/post/3135107
This is the problem i am trying to point out. YOU believe they are being mislead. Because they are not intelligent people the same as you who can make their own choices in life?
Instead we need someone like you to tell them what to think and when they are thinking wrong because it is not the same thing you think?
As for capitalizing AMERICA? I stopped having pride in my country when the american SHEEPLE voted this racist, biggoted, pile of excrement into office.
I do however believe each person is allowed their own opinion. Therefore i will disagree, I will state my own opinion. But i do not tell people who disagree they are misguided, "acted stupidly", or any other quote that can be used against the free thinking american people.
But then again, it could be my "Typical White Person" side slipping out. Maybe thats it, i do not follow the Obama bullying regime so i am the racist white man who hates him because he is a black man. Wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that i disagree with him and have my own thoughts and beliefs. would it?
You spend too much time watching Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh. The reason they are misled is because 90% of the crap you here from the aforementioned is false, with their only objective is to create a separation between the masses. Do you think anything would be different if McCain were in office? Do you think the Three Amigos would spend every waking moment finding flaws in his directives? I doubt it. You are the epotome of what's wrong with the Far Right. You keep stigmatizing instead of listening to what the man is saying. Obama could balance the budget, kill Bin Laden, and eliminate income taxes and your little group of Tea Baggers would still chastise him and say he had some hidden agenda to socialize the entire country. The only thing Obama has done in the eight months he's been in office is make propositions and proposals of what his visons are to make it better for the AMERICANS in this country. The only referendums he's passed was crap that Bush had already put into motion. From what I've seen of the automotive bailouts and the stimulus package, they appear to be doing exactly what they were designed to do. Cash For Clunkers? I had no problem with it. I got over $7,000 off a brand new car for my daughter in that deal.
From your last statement, I honestly do think you have a problem that a black man is now President. The Old South and white bible thumpers just can't seem to accept it.

 

[zelfin]

Wow, you just dont get it do you?
People can do as they wish whether you like it or not. The fact that you try to tell them they are wrong only proves your own inability to be understanding of the fact that people are different.
I can rant for hours if i like, I can scream on the streets if i like. It is my choice as an american citizen. I do not need anyone to tell me what to think or when to think it. Unfortunately, it appears you think you have a better grasp on life than everyone else out there. Congratulations, Hitler thought the same way, as did many other murderers and radicals in life. Why i do believe Muslim radicals are trying to kill americans just for being american and being different. Seems you fit right in there now.
You can think you win this argument all you like. Doesnt change my original point. You are no better than anyone else here and people can choose to not let their children hear Obama speak if they choose. It is a parents right to choose how their children are raised. Not Obama's.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Zelfin
http:///forum/post/3135194
Wow, you just dont get it do you?
People can do as they wish whether you like it or not. The fact that you try to tell them they are wrong only proves your own inability to be understanding of the fact that people are different.
I can rant for hours if i like, I can scream on the streets if i like. It is my choice as an american citizen. I do not need anyone to tell me what to think or when to think it. Unfortunately, it appears you think you have a better grasp on life than everyone else out there. Congratulations, Hitler thought the same way, as did many other murderers and radicals in life. Why i do believe Muslim radicals are trying to kill americans just for being american and being different. Seems you fit right in there now.
You can think you win this argument all you like. Doesnt change my original point. You are no better than anyone else here and people can choose to not let their children hear Obama speak if they choose. It is a parents right to choose how their children are raised. Not Obama's.
You need to sit back and reread what you type. For that matter, have a friend or relative read it. I think it would be a big eye opener.
You are absolutely right. The 1st Amendment does afford you the right to free speech. To an certain extent. Try walking into the White House and scream, "Where's that black dude Obama? I'm gonna drag his butt outside and hang him in the nearest tree!" Even though you didn't mean it, you find yourself in either the Psych Ward or Federal prison for several years. You are an extremist. Obama makes a simple speech about education to school kids, and you turn it into a brainwashing by Hitler's brother. Nobody forced any kid to listen to his speech. Most schools ended not showing it because of overreacting people like you. There was no hidden agenda. You thought there was because it was Obama. If McCain was in office, and did the exact same thing, would you have objected?

 

[zelfin]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3135209
You are an extremist. Obama makes a simple speech about education to school kids, and you turn it into a brainwashing by Hitler's brother.
Again, this proves my point. My opinions are mine, I do not need anyones acceptance or approval. However, as i said before, you should not condemn other people just because they do not have the same beliefs as you do.
Again, this is how hitler started, this is how slavery started, spanish inquisition, this is the beginning story of almost every genocide and war in history. People dont think like you so you think they need to be "Educated".
Good luck with that mentality.

 

[angler man]

Zelfin,
I'm with you 110%
I've been called a racist as well, which I laugh at because I know it's just a way that Liberals can chalk up our view points and make themselves feel all warm and cozy inside. This has nothing to do with COLOR! This has never had anything to do with COLOR! This is about the role and size of Government in this country.
Bionicarm,
So, Glenn Beck is a Liar huh? Please give me a big fat lie of his that you took issue with. Be very specific please.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Angler man
http:///forum/post/3135290
Zelfin,
I'm with you 110%
I've been called a racist as well, which I laugh at because I know it's just a way that Liberals can chalk up our view points and make themselves feel all warm and cozy inside. This has nothing to do with COLOR! This has never had anything to do with COLOR! This is about the role and size of Government in this country.
Bionicarm,
So, Glenn Beck is a Liar huh? Please give me a big fat lie of his that you took issue with. Be very specific please.
Pick one? How about every single comment that comes out of his mouth. The guy twists every bit of information he gets to meet his agenda. He takes a one-line statement that Obama makes and takes the entire conversation completely out of context. Even some of his fellow journalists consider him wacko. Ever since I turned him on one night and saw him dancing around in Leiderhousen, I lost all respect for the clown. How could you take someone seriously after that? And now he has this '912Project'? He's another that needs a reality check.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Zelfin
http:///forum/post/3135241
Again, this proves my point. My opinions are mine, I do not need anyones acceptance or approval. However, as i said before, you should not condemn other people just because they do not have the same beliefs as you do.
Again, this is how hitler started, this is how slavery started, spanish inquisition, this is the beginning story of almost every genocide and war in history. People dont think like you so you think they need to be "Educated".
Good luck with that mentality.
You're missing the point. You do have a right to your opinion. However, there's a time when you have to look at the 'big picture' of things and see how meaningless some arguments are. Look at the context of your second statement in this reply. How can you equate the President Of The United States giving a speech to kids, or anyone for that matter, to someone with a Socialist agenda? So did you consider Bush and Reagan a Socialist when they spoke to kids during their tenure? This is where I'm at a loss with you. You have this mindset that Obama is trying to take control of this country like Chavez has done to Venezuela. It couldn't be further from the truth. Bush had a bigger Socialist agenda than Obama has. Who do you think instigated the bailouts and stimulus packages? Show me one action that Obama has implemented in the first eight months of his term that remotely implies he wants the governent to completely control. Don't spout the auto and insurance company bailouts. Those are just temporary solutions. Give me a 'radical' instance, something similar to what Chavez has done - shut down public TV and radio communications, regulated oil and gas, etc.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by Zelfin
http:///forum/post/3135241
Again, this proves my point. My opinions are mine, I do not need anyones acceptance or approval. However, as i said before, you should not condemn other people just because they do not have the same beliefs as you do.
Again, this is how hitler started, this is how slavery started, spanish inquisition, this is the beginning story of almost every genocide and war in history. People dont think like you so you think they need to be "Educated".
Good luck with that mentality.
Yes, your opinions are yours, and you have a right to express them without suppression by the government. However, you seem to feel that, while you are entitled to your opinions, I am not entitled to the opinion that your are wrong. THAT is how Hitler got his start - "People dont [sic] think like you so you think they need to be" SUPPRESSED. Calling someone wrongheaded is part of normal political discourse, not the stuff of Hitler, the Spanish Inquisition, or whatever other historical horror you want to paint me with.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3135190
You spend too much time watching Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh. The reason they are misled is because 90% of the crap you here from the aforementioned is false, with their only objective is to create a separation between the masses. Do you think anything would be different if McCain were in office? Do you think the Three Amigos would spend every waking moment finding flaws in his directives? I doubt it. You are the epotome of what's wrong with the Far Right. You keep stigmatizing instead of listening to what the man is saying. Obama could balance the budget, kill Bin Laden, and eliminate income taxes and your little group of Tea Baggers would still chastise him and say he had some hidden agenda to socialize the entire country. The only thing Obama has done in the eight months he's been in office is make propositions and proposals of what his visons are to make it better for the AMERICANS in this country. The only referendums he's passed was crap that Bush had already put into motion. From what I've seen of the automotive bailouts and the stimulus package, they appear to be doing exactly what they were designed to do. Cash For Clunkers? I had no problem with it. I got over $7,000 off a brand new car for my daughter in that deal.
From your last statement, I honestly do think you have a problem that a black man is now President. The Old South and white bible thumpers just can't seem to accept it.
Really, I guess you get all your information from BSNBC, which would be why you believe 90% of what comes from the aforementioned is false.

You should watch Beck. You get past the goofiness he displays at times I guarantee you will discover you and he agree on a lot, a WHOLE lot.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3135318
Pick one? How about every single comment that comes out of his mouth. The guy twists every bit of information he gets to meet his agenda. He takes a one-line statement that Obama makes and takes the entire conversation completely out of context. Even some of his fellow journalists consider him wacko. Ever since I turned him on one night and saw him dancing around in Leiderhousen, I lost all respect for the clown. How could you take someone seriously after that? And now he has this '912Project'? He's another that needs a reality check.
And I will say again, watch Beck, not what Media matters or anyone else says about him.