Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2975138
I didn't answer the question because I don't feel like getting sucked into your game. My brother owned a gun shop from '76 to '82. He was licensed to sell and distribute firearms in the state of Texas. He was also a certified gunsmith that was qualified to inspect and repair virtually any type of firearm. I used to help him whenever I had the free time. So if you want me to give you a textbook answer to your question, I can. But I really see no need to validate my experience with various weapons to you.

More like you are making up a story to back up your own claim to validate your points. But whatever.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2975141
I'm not dodging anything. Not all 'bad guys' get their weapons illegally. As far as the one's who do, where do you think the people who are selling these illegal guns are getting them? You think they have some manufacturing plant in their garage that they're making their own brand of TEC-9's and Uzi's? If the criminals who are selling these guns can't get them, then it become a 'trickle down' effect. If they're not available to the illegal sellers, they're not available to the Really Bad Guys.
Show me a murderer that legally bought their assault weapon. Just one.
The ban on assault weapons would do nothing to stop the manufacturing of them...many countries still want these weapons and many companies have them on their shelves....you act as if these can't be stolen....

Again, prove to me the previous ban lowered crime involving assault weapons. Just one small statistic is all you need to provide.....yet you can't even do that.

 

[moprint]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2975138
I didn't answer the question because I don't feel like getting sucked into your game. My brother owned a gun shop from '76 to '82. He was licensed to sell and distribute firearms in the state of Texas. He was also a certified gunsmith that was qualified to inspect and repair virtually any type of firearm. I used to help him whenever I had the free time. So if you want me to give you a textbook answer to your question, I can. But I really see no need to validate my experience with various weapons to you.
It's called lack of knowledge. Like was stated earlier, several times, you mentioned firing pin. Then you searched the internet and found some article from 1999, from a Canadian hack site. I think you just need to confess and say you don't know what your talking about. Really nobody will give you a hard time about.

 

[kmart189]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2975191
Show me a murderer that legally bought their assault weapon. Just one.
The ban on assault weapons would do nothing to stop the manufacturing of them...many countries still want these weapons and many companies have them on their shelves....you act as if these can't be stolen....

Again, prove to me the previous ban lowered crime involving assault weapons. Just one small statistic is all you need to provide.....yet you can't even do that.
I agree 100% the problem with gun laws that people that don't own guns don't understand is that gun laws don't affect criminals they affect the preople who obey the law. Why if people that are shooting at the law are they going to care if the gone is legally posessed. yeah right! The other thing that people do not understand is these laws don't make it illegal to own the weapons they usually only make it illegal to manufacture and sell the new product. If it were made illegal to own an assault rifle you would have to be knocking on someone's door that previously LEGALLY purchased a gun for probably around $1,000 and now you want to take it away. I don't think they would be getting mine from me I think it fell in the river on a hunting trip and we were unable to retrieve it. And for you nay sayers I bet 90% of you haven't even shot a gun or if you have it was a bb gun when you were 10 yrs old. How are you going to knock something that all you can think of is the part you hear about on the news? Have you ever tried it I say go to a shooting range and give it a try even if you go to a shooting range and shoot some clays most of the bigger ranges will have a shotgun that you could use and you woouldn't have to drop the cash on a gun to try it out. Once you start out with the shotgun you should know better than anyone once you start something you like you just want more of it.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2975190
More like you are making up a story to back up your own claim to validate your points. But whatever.
you get that impression too when talking to this person? I'm glad I'm not thet only one who thinks that.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2975190
More like you are making up a story to back up your own claim to validate your points. But whatever.
You guys are good, I'll give you that. I really don't care what you believe. I imagine if I went back on any of your past posts, I'd find some flaw or 'misstep' you've made. Just keep living in your fantasy worlds.
As far as this topic, it's become moot point to argue about it anymore. Nothing I or anyone else that's for this ban will convince you there's a valid reason to implement it. It'll always be point/counterpoint with you. Like I've said, I've had this argument with others that are WAY better informed on this subject than you. They're actually in the business of distributing firearms, and they realize the cause and effect of selling these type of weapons. You'd be amazed at the number of gun sellers that really don't like selling these type of firearms. Why do they do it? $$$$$$$. They know that gun nuts like you will pay whatever the market will bear, because "You gotta have it. It makes a lot of noise. It gives you that sense of power" Pick one. Now that there's the hint of continuing this ban, CHA CHING! You'll see prices go up 10% - 20% in the next couple of months. And you'll pay it because you know The Government will do whatever it takes to restrict your rights to own these guns. Next it'll be your sticks and stones, because you'll resort to using those weapons soon after the rest of your guns are yanked from your hands. Guns like these are one reason my brother got out of the business. There were several 'buyers' that came into his shop that you would characterize as 'shady'. But they had the proper ID to purchase any gun they wanted. He just always wondered when he watched the evening news, and saw how someone was killed by a gunshot, whether it was one of the guns he sold. To him, it wasn't worth losing anymore sleep. Whether you believe it or not, I really don't give a rats ass.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2975277
You guys are good, I'll give you that. I really don't care what you believe. I imagine if I went back on any of your past posts, I'd find some flaw or 'misstep' you've made. Just keep living in your fantasy worlds.
As far as this topic, it's become moot point to argue about it anymore. Nothing I or anyone else that's for this ban will convince you there's a valid reason to implement it. It'll always be point/counterpoint with you. Like I've said, I've had this argument with others that are WAY better informed on this subject than you. They're actually in the business of distributing firearms, and they realize the cause and effect of selling these type of weapons. You'd be amazed at the number of gun sellers that really don't like selling these type of firearms. Why do they do it? $$$$$$$. They know that gun nuts like you will pay whatever the market will bear, because "You gotta have it. It makes a lot of noise. It gives you that sense of power" Pick one. Now that there's the hint of continuing this ban, CHA CHING! You'll see prices go up 10% - 20% in the next couple of months. And you'll pay it because you know The Government will do whatever it takes to restrict your rights to own these guns. Next it'll be your sticks and stones, because you'll resort to using those weapons soon after the rest of your guns are yanked from your hands. Guns like these are one reason my brother got out of the business. There were several 'buyers' that came into his shop that you would characterize as 'shady'. But they had the proper ID to purchase any gun they wanted. He just always wondered when he watched the evening news, and saw how someone was killed by a gunshot, whether it was one of the guns he sold. To him, it wasn't worth losing anymore sleep. Whether you believe it or not, I really don't give a rats ass.
So you can't produce data or a link to a story saying assault weapon gun crime declined when the ban was in place, nor describe direct impingement. That is all you had to say.
This is all I asked for and your points would have become valid.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2975291
So you can't produce data or a link to a story saying assault weapon gun crime declined when the ban was in place, nor describe direct impingement. That is all you had to say.
This is all I asked for and your points would have become valid.
Why does it matter? If I could show you data validating my claim, would it change your opinion? Would it make you think twice or stop you from buying one of these guns? Uh, no. One of the problems with providing any information regarding gun crime, is in most of these situations the authorities don't have a clue what type of weapon was used. They can surmise in most cases it was some type of handgun, but as others have pointed out, many of these assault weapons use the same type of ammo as a magazine-style handgun. Do you have proof that out of all the murders that happen around the country on a daily basis, they are done exclusively by a hand gun?
Still stuck on definitions I see. If I give you the textbook definition of direct impingement, the next thing I'll hear is - "Yea, and which web site did you pull that from?" Again, what's the point. I'll give you a clue. It has to do with high-pressure gas.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2975312
Why does it matter? If I could show you data validating my claim, would it change your opinion? Would it make you think twice or stop you from buying one of these guns? Uh, no. One of the problems with providing any information regarding gun crime, is in most of these situations the authorities don't have a clue what type of weapon was used. They can surmise in most cases it was some type of handgun, but as others have pointed out, many of these assault weapons use the same type of ammo as a magazine-style handgun. Do you have proof that out of all the murders that happen around the country on a daily basis, they are done exclusively by a hand gun?
Still stuck on definitions I see. If I give you the textbook definition of direct impingement, the next thing I'll hear is - "Yea, and which web site did you pull that from?" Again, what's the point. I'll give you a clue. It has to do with high-pressure gas.
Hate to tell you, I don't own a gun.

 

[scsinet]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2975141
I'm not dodging anything. Not all 'bad guys' get their weapons illegally. As far as the one's who do, where do you think the people who are selling these illegal guns are getting them? You think they have some manufacturing plant in their garage that they're making their own brand of TEC-9's and Uzi's? If the criminals who are selling these guns can't get them, then it become a 'trickle down' effect. If they're not available to the illegal sellers, they're not available to the Really Bad Guys.
You still assume that the dynamic of the marketplace will stay exactly the same in the event of a ban.
BIONIC'S PLAN
You won't be able to buy them legally.
So the criminals won't be able to steal them...
So the criminals won't be able to sell them to the other criminals...
(I'm with you so far).
So the criminals will just... be... stuck????
(This is where apparently I am getting lost).
I'm sorry... my mind has just got this picture of three hardened thugs standing around, kicking the ground about this weapons ban:
Thug 1: "Dang! The government just won't let us have guns anymore!"
Thug 2: "They won't let us have any fun!"
Thug 3: "What a bunch of squares!"
Thug 2: "Let's all get jobs!"
Thug 3: "I hear the library is hiring!"
I've said it before and I'll say it again... the ban is all well and good, IF you can justify it. Your justification has been, up to this point, "I don't see why we need them anyway." Sorry, not good enough. Show me some facts (this means something OTHER than your opinion) that shows that banning the weapons helps.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2975312
... One of the problems with providing any information regarding gun crime, is in most of these situations the authorities don't have a clue what type of weapon was used. They can surmise in most cases it was some type of handgun, but as others have pointed out, many of these assault weapons use the same type of ammo as a magazine-style handgun. ....
If you can't tell what kind of weapon is used to commit a crime, why ban a particular weapon?

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2975340
If you can't tell what kind of weapon is used to commit a crime, why ban a particular weapon?

Because you have to do SOMETHING! Even if it's the wrong thing to do.
If you don't believe me then take a peek at the "stimulus" package. Another example of "gotta do something even if it's the wrong thing".

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2975352
Because you have to do SOMETHING! Even if it's the wrong thing to do.
If you don't believe me then take a peek at the "stimulus" package. Another example of "gotta do something even if it's the wrong thing".
Got to love today's topic... "Global New Deal"... Freakin might as well have your paycheck deposited directly into the IRS account.

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2975388
Got to love today's topic... "Global New Deal"... Freakin might as well have your paycheck deposited directly into the IRS account.
It will simplify the 1040:
How much did you make in 2009? ___________
Send it in

 

[wattsupdoc]

I was actually thinking this is Obama....Developing some logic to push the ban through....Likely this is how he's running his office...

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2975312
Why does it matter?
Because you are unappropriately supporting something that takes away our rights!

Can you not see that?
If I could show you data validating my claim, would it change your opinion? Would it make you think twice or stop you from buying one of these guns?
UM, you would at least then have a leg to stand on.
Uh, no. One of the problems with providing any information regarding gun crime, is in most of these situations the authorities don't have a clue what type of weapon was used. They can surmise in most cases it was some type of handgun, but as others have pointed out, many of these assault weapons use the same type of ammo as a magazine-style handgun. Do you have proof that out of all the murders that happen around the country on a daily basis, they are done exclusively by a hand gun?
When I was growing up in Dallas, I knew a few gang bangers. Most of the firearms they had were junk. Broken handles, beat up old pieces of crap. All of them were stolen. No-one wanted a gun they couldn't pop and toss. They like their drug money, so they didn't want to spend much on them. The .22 LR semi auto was a favorite because it could pop of quite a few rounds, was quite and CHEAP. However most "bangers" carried small handguns they could conceal easy. These are the weapons you see in day to day crimes. NOT AK-47's, SKS's Uzi's and Tec-9's. Those are for the elite criminals. If I LEGALLY buy a weapon for $1000.00 do you think I'm going to sell it for $100.00? No0t many bangers want to pay much more than that for a gun.
Still stuck on definitions I see. If I give you the textbook definition of direct impingement, the next thing I'll hear is - "Yea, and which web site did you pull that from?" Again, what's the point. I'll give you a clue. It has to do with high-pressure gas.
I have no idea what direct impingement means. But I wonder why you would bother to "give a hint" and not just prove you know something about it? I don't believe you have ever fired a fire arm in your life. Have you Barry?
You see Barry, The problem is you have not given one logical statement as to why this ban should be put into place. There is no logical reason for it. In fact all the propaganda you have submitted would support something along the lines of a ban on handguns. You post links to sad situations that most likely involve stolen beat up handguns or EVEN HOME MADE PIPE guns(criminals make these, they would make them even if there were none to buy anywhere on the planet.) Then try to point to some other countries problems and say we are to blame. The whole time never pointing to one situation where the type of weapon on the chopping block is actually being used. That's like saying oranges kill people. We should ban them. When in fact it was apples that were to blame. Then saying yeah but it was a fruit and I don't see why anyone would like an orange anyways... This is why I still say you are delusional Barry.

 

[oscardeuce]

I'm still waiting for someone to correctly define Assault Rifle. I'll even add extra credit if you can give the first Assault Rifle.

 

[moprint]

The first one I think had to be the Stg 44. Developed late in WWII by the Germans.

 

[beth]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2969797
Please stop whining and crying like a bunch of children at every move the guy makes.

No way! Bush got bashed for 8 years, now its Obama's turn. Its only fair, crim.

(Keep in mind, I am no Bush fan.)
I wish the two sides could grow up and have at least a civil respect for each other, but it "ain't" gonna happen.
I don't see any reason for free access to weapons that should only be in the hands of law enforcement and the military. A handgun, or shotgun will bring 'em down just as well if someone nasty breaks into your house.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by moprint
http:///forum/post/2975624
The first one I think had to be the Stg 44. Developed late in WWII by the Germans.

Now define assault rifle.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2975645
I don't see any reason for free access to weapons that should only be in the hands of law enforcement and the military. A handgun, or shotgun will bring 'em down just as well if someone nasty breaks into your house.
So will a rock or a baseball bat,the point is that this amendment wasnt meant to stop home invasions , carjacking ----..... It was meant to stop Tyranny from oppressive forces from home and abroad.So why should "We The People" be deprived of the best weapon for that job?
Its Unconstitutional.