Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

scsinet

scsinet

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2974299
Believe it or not. That was the basis of the whole argument this time around.
You know though I gotta give Bionic some credit.
There's like 4 of us teaming up on him and he's still going at it. I woulda gotten discouraged and given up a long time ago.
Although I don't agree with him, I gotta respect the battle.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2974194
Then you know the odds of making the fully automatic are difficult since the filing down of the pin needs to be done correctly. If not the weapon is rendered inoperable or will not stop firing once the trigger is pulled. You also know this knowledge is only truly known to licensed gunsmiths.
Let's test you knowledge a bit since you have owned so many firearms in your life time. How does direct impingement work and how is it applied to a semi-automatic or fully automatic weapon...should be simple enough for someone capable of turning a semi auto into fully auto.
Now you want to give me a test?

I will say you're absolutely correct about filing the pin down too far. But then, if all you want is the rush from unloading a 50-round clip in a few seconds, who cares if it doesn't stop? Actually my brother was a licensed gunsmith at one time, hence why we had access to a variety of weapons and hung out at the gun shows.
 
scsinet

scsinet

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2974312
You need to get to The Big City more often:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29469459/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28858755/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29334869/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29455868/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29442316/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29444034/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29385560/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29454472/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29410641/

I don't think anyone is trying to argue that gun violence does not exist.
None of the articles even indicate whether these weapons were legally owned, obtained, or carried.
Frankly, I welcome the press starting to indicate so. It would probably have quite an impact on people's opinions on legal carrying. That said, I'd venture a guess that if those guns had been legally owned, the liberal media would be very quick to point that out.
In the meantime, for everyone of these stories, I can post another one of a legally armed citizen that protected himself/herself, and/or their families. When legal guns are mentioned in the press, it's usually a DRT story about someone who protected himself.
By the way... this one in particular crossed my eye:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29442316/
There were knives being used here. I thought guns were the only deadly weapons we needed to worry about

I guess we should ban knives too. Anyone slicing their bagel has the POTENTIAL to snap and go bezerk! Someone could get hurt!
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/2974321
You know though I gotta give Bionic some credit.
There's like 4 of us teaming up on him and he's still going at it. I woulda gotten discouraged and given up a long time ago.
Although I don't agree with him, I gotta respect the battle.

Yea, this isn't the first time I've had this argument with gun activists. As you can see the irony, I spent a whole lot of time with guns in the 70's and early 80's with my brother. I won't say exactly what we used to do, but there was some fun times doing it. That's why I think it's comical how adament NRA-types are when you threaten to take away their 'toys'. It's a pretty typical phase between the ages of 18 and 38, where the kid in you likes to play Rambo or GI Joe. I had the same fervor when I owned 5 to 10 different weapons. I just got tired of it, and didn't see the point. Got rid of all the 'good ones'. Wish I'd kept a couple of the AR-15's now. Could of gotten at least three times what I paid for them back in the late 70's. So hey, I guess there is a Collector's value for keeping those type of guns. All I have left is my Remington 1100 shotgun my Dad gave me (over 40 years old now, and still knocks down skeet or dove), and a Taurus 9mm I keep under the bed. But this going back and forth is getting old. You will never convince a hard-core gun owner that limiting access to specific firearms is a good thing. They will tell you to their dying day that owning guns is their Constitutional right, and telling them what guns they can or can't have will lead to other restrictions of their liberties. But considering what I've seen over the last 40 years, and the little effect it had on me when it came to owning a gun, I can tell you firsthand you have nothing to worry about.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by SCSInet http:///forum/post/2974326
I don't think anyone is trying to argue that gun violence does not exist.
None of the articles even indicate whether these weapons were legally owned, obtained, or carried.
Frankly, I welcome the press starting to indicate so. It would probably have quite an impact on people's opinions on legal carrying. That said, I'd venture a guess that if those guns had been legally owned, the liberal media would be very quick to point that out.
In the meantime, for everyone of these stories, I can post another one of a legally armed citizen that protected himself/herself, and/or their families. When legal guns are mentioned in the press, it's usually a DRT story about someone who protected himself.
By the way... this one in particular crossed my eye:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29442316/
There were knives being used here. I thought guns were the only deadly weapons we needed to worry about

I guess we should ban knives too. Anyone slicing their bagel has the POTENTIAL to snap and go bezerk! Someone could get hurt!
Sorry about the knife incident. I was just posting all the gun attacks that I found on one MSNBC from TODAY.
Speaking of a homeowner protecting himself, this one should make you happy:
And Congressman Wentworth is trying to pass a bill to allow college students carry their concealed weapons on campus:
 
scsinet

scsinet

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2974337
this one should make you happy:
As a point of clarification, I'm not any happier about gun violence than you are.
I hope to God I never have to shoot anyone. I feel I'm prepared and able to do so, but good lord... to have that on your shoulders...
I guess in the end we just see the realities of it differently. As far as I'm concerned, if I have to shoot someone, it's going to be because it's their decision, not mine. If a guy breaks into my house to steal my TV and I know he's not going to hurt me or my family, I'll let him have the TV...
And if a life changing event makes me lose my judgement and do something stupid, then I'll expect to be locked up for it.
As far as not seeing the point of "playing rambo," we are obviously talking about the recreational or hobby aspects of gun ownership. IMO there isn't a lot of point to any hobby... it's just something to do that you enjoy. I mean... what's the point of keeping a glass box full of fish?
IMO, if you enjoy it (it being... whatever), and it doesn't deprive anyone of their life, liberty, or property, then why not... ??
I guess that rules out collecting and detonating nuclear weapons... but man... that'd be fun...
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by TurningTim
http:///forum/post/2973413
Honestly I don't know where to go. So I guess I will back out. Darth you are correct I argue the entire document b/c I see no way that you can pick and choose what is to be taken literally and what is up for interpretation.
I would hope that we can say that not all of the rights granted to us are free and clear without consideration for the times. Situations have been excepted by our legal system. Yelling Fire in a theater, hate speak and instigation of a riot. Not to mention exceptions to the TOTAL right to privacy.
Those of you whom say the Supreme Court has rejected anything to do with the Patriot Act needs to read!
If you are referring to Doe v Gonzales. Read Justice Ginsburg Decision.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep29.html
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/nationa...s20060803.html
Holy crap you finally went and looked stuff up for yourself!!! Of course now you are trying to change your argument but thats OK.

So you could only find one provision of the act that was ruled unconstitutional? I can think of a few, suspension of Habeas Corpus, the security letters and while not ruling they were unconstitutional did rule that the military tribunals needed to be authorized by the congress or a military court rather than the administration so congress re authorized it. Patriot act alive and well.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2973883
Your handle states where you're from? Let see.. wattsupdoc is a popular phrase from Bugs Bunny. "Impeach Obama", nope. That's the same line every other Republican in the country quotes. And the buck-toothed goober that pokes his head out avatar? So out of all of that, I'm supposed to surmise you're from the Ozarks? Do you even have running water and an inside toilet living there Mountain Boy? I thought maybe you found some "Oil, Black Gold, Texas Tea" and headed off to Californey with Jethro, Granny, and Ellie Mae.
You need to get out of the backwoods more if you don't think you can't turn an AK-47 or TEC-9 into a fully auto. It's called filing down the sear pin. Here's a simplistic description if you're interested:
http://www.hackcanada.com/ice3/misc/ak47mod.txt

Ever hear of an item called the hellfire? It will turn any semiauto into a rapid fire death machine. So I guess because someone could modify any semi auto we should ban them all right?
How about the household chemicals that can be combined to make explosives or chemical weapons? Of course those disposable propane canisters can easily be turned into a nice little bomb, better ban those too. Liquid dish soap and coleman lantern fluid make an interesting combination. Lets just ban everything
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/2974326
I don't think anyone is trying to argue that gun violence does not exist.
None of the articles even indicate whether these weapons were legally owned, obtained, or carried.
Frankly, I welcome the press starting to indicate so. It would probably have quite an impact on people's opinions on legal carrying. That said, I'd venture a guess that if those guns had been legally owned, the liberal media would be very quick to point that out.
In the meantime, for everyone of these stories, I can post another one of a legally armed citizen that protected himself/herself, and/or their families. When legal guns are mentioned in the press, it's usually a DRT story about someone who protected himself.
By the way... this one in particular crossed my eye:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29442316/
There were knives being used here. I thought guns were the only deadly weapons we needed to worry about

I guess we should ban knives too. Anyone slicing their bagel has the POTENTIAL to snap and go bezerk! Someone could get hurt!
Now you don't really expect BSnbc to report anything that would fly in the face of the liberal agenda do you?
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2974194
Then you know the odds of making the fully automatic are difficult since the filing down of the pin needs to be done correctly. If not the weapon is rendered inoperable or will not stop firing once the trigger is pulled. You also know this knowledge is only truly known to licensed gunsmiths.
Let's test you knowledge a bit since you have owned so many firearms in your life time. How does direct impingement work and how is it applied to a semi-automatic or fully automatic weapon...should be simple enough for someone capable of turning a semi auto into fully auto.
I smell Dog Turd....Possibly Prehistoric
 
wattsupdoc

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2974312
You need to get to The Big City more often:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29469459/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28858755/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29334869/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29455868/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29442316/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29444034/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29385560/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29454472/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29410641/

I grew up in the big city. Rough neighborhood of Dallas. White kids got shot just for being outside in that neighborhood. I walked the streets day and night and never had any problems. When I got older I got smarter... I MOVED AWAY FROM THERE.
You don't need to tell me about it.
Of course gun violence exists. And it's an unfortunate thing. Many gun crimes are committed with illegally owned firearms. Usually small caliper and compact sized. But the .22 LR Semi auto is a real favorite. NONE of these guns would be effected by the ban. So it would do nothing to prevent them.
Notice how every time there's a tough question you seem to dodge it? Change the tune, or ignore it and post some blah blah about gun violence somewhere. There is no way that you were at any time a gun advocate and take the stance that you are taking. NOPE I believe you are all BS.
You still have not answered this question.
3. Banning them would make it harder for The Really Bad Guys from obtaining them.
Please explain exactly how, when they are already getting them ILLEGALLY. Remember these are according to you, the "Really Bad Guys".
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2974312
You need to get to The Big City more often:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29469459/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28858755/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29334869/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29455868/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29442316/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29444034/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29385560/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29454472/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29410641/
I live on the outskirts of USA's Murder Capital and i find it ironic that Illinois is now debating Carry&Conceal Law endorsed by the Illinois Sheriff's Association.
 
wattsupdoc

wattsupdoc

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Lets take the very first article you posted a link to here it is.
This is a very unfortunate and sad situation BTW....
1 dead, 1 hurt in shooting outside Wal-Mart
SHOW LOW, Ariz. - A shooting outside a Wal-Mart in eastern Arizona has left an elderly woman dead and an elderly man wounded.
Show Low police supervisor Randy Harris said the victims, likely a couple, were in the parking lot Monday morning when the shooting happened. Show Low is about 125 miles northeast of Phoenix.
The male victim was still undergoing surgery at a hospital.
Story continues below ↓

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Harris said police were following up with witnesses about a potential suspect.
Some of the victims' personal items were missing. But Harris said authorities are not sure that robbery was the motive.
1. Now how exactly does that have anything at all to do with AW's.
2.Might this crime had been prevented had the robber suspected the couple to have been carrying themselves?
3. If it had not prevented it and the old fella "popped a cap in the robbers ....The case would be solved and justice served...NO?
People commit crimes with whatever weapon they can obtain. Had he beat the old couple with a rock, we would have the same result.
Wait didnt Cain slay Able with a stick?
Maybe we need to ban sticks and stones...
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2974324
Now you want to give me a test?

I will say you're absolutely correct about filing the pin down too far. But then, if all you want is the rush from unloading a 50-round clip in a few seconds, who cares if it doesn't stop? Actually my brother was a licensed gunsmith at one time, hence why we had access to a variety of weapons and hung out at the gun shows.
Yet you still didn't answer the question. and filing down to far is not the only way to do it wrong.
 
ironeagle2006

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Here in IL last year we had a shooting at Northern IL University there were 7 people killed by one man that shott 67 times in a locked classroom. One of the Victims of is a HS alumni of my school and a close friend of mine she was a Veteran of the US Armed Forces. She served her Country only to be told you can not defend your self if some mad man comes into your class room and pulls a weapon out. She had served Overseas infact had just gotten back from Iraq and was gunned down because AHOLES from Chicago are afraid of people in this state being able to defend themselves. All she could do was try and get out of the room in fact she died trying to save someone else and took 5 rounds in the back for doing so. If IL had a concealed weapons law that person would have not dropped anyone she would have DROPPED HIM.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2974639
Yet you still didn't answer the question. and filing down to far is not the only way to do it wrong.
I didn't answer the question because I don't feel like getting sucked into your game. My brother owned a gun shop from '76 to '82. He was licensed to sell and distribute firearms in the state of Texas. He was also a certified gunsmith that was qualified to inspect and repair virtually any type of firearm. I used to help him whenever I had the free time. So if you want me to give you a textbook answer to your question, I can. But I really see no need to validate my experience with various weapons to you.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2974453
I grew up in the big city. Rough neighborhood of Dallas. White kids got shot just for being outside in that neighborhood. I walked the streets day and night and never had any problems. When I got older I got smarter... I MOVED AWAY FROM THERE.
You don't need to tell me about it.
Of course gun violence exists. And it's an unfortunate thing. Many gun crimes are committed with illegally owned firearms. Usually small caliper and compact sized. But the .22 LR Semi auto is a real favorite. NONE of these guns would be effected by the ban. So it would do nothing to prevent them.
Notice how every time there's a tough question you seem to dodge it? Change the tune, or ignore it and post some blah blah about gun violence somewhere. There is no way that you were at any time a gun advocate and take the stance that you are taking. NOPE I believe you are all BS.
You still have not answered this question.
Please explain exactly how, when they are already getting them ILLEGALLY. Remember these are according to you, the "Really Bad Guys".

I'm not dodging anything. Not all 'bad guys' get their weapons illegally. As far as the one's who do, where do you think the people who are selling these illegal guns are getting them? You think they have some manufacturing plant in their garage that they're making their own brand of TEC-9's and Uzi's? If the criminals who are selling these guns can't get them, then it become a 'trickle down' effect. If they're not available to the illegal sellers, they're not available to the Really Bad Guys.
 
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