Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by jp30338 http:///forum/post/2976746
In my opinion and many others in the U.S. it is not considered MURDER.
Main Entry: 1 mur·der
Pronunciation: ?m?r-d?r
Function: noun
Etymology: partly from Middle English murther, from Old English morthor; partly from Middle English murdre, from Anglo-French, of Germanic origin; akin to Old English morthor; akin to Old High German mord murder, Latin mort-, mors death, mori to die, mortuus dead, Greek brotos mortal
Date: before 12th century
1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
That fits the description of abortion to a "T" and there is no argument available to convince me that intentionally vacuuming the brains out of a living human being is anything but murder.
http://www.klanparenthood.com/Aborte...otos/index.cfm

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2976925
Main Entry: 1 mur·der
Pronunciation: ˈmər-dər
Function: noun
Etymology: partly from Middle English murther, from Old English morthor; partly from Middle English murdre, from Anglo-French, of Germanic origin; akin to Old English morthor; akin to Old High German mord murder, Latin mort-, mors death, mori to die, mortuus dead, Greek brotos mortal
Date: before 12th century
1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
That fits the description of abortion to a "T" and there is no argument available to convince me that intentionally vacuuming the brains out of a living human being is anything but murder.

It seems Liberals have a hard time understanding the English language.Words like "Is, Murder, Right, Bear,Arms,Shall,Not,Infringed......" Maybe if it where in Spanish?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2976780
no there is not a right to abort a baby, but someone brought it up in comparison, when there really is no comparison at all.
I just like to come in and stir the pot a bit. I think if we did away with both parties that would solve the majority of what is really going wrong. I do not consider myself a democrat, republican, or independent FWIW. I stand by whoever has the best solution IMO.
Cheers!
Glen Beck!

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2976486
What does it matter how many are effected by the ban if it's unconstitutional?
Having private citizens be able to posess these things doesn't increase crime. Had there been squat for proof of that you wouldn't see pelosi and reid opposing Obama on it.
I am not arguing that a guy off the street should be allowed to walk in and buy a machine gun. I am arguing the constitution as written does not allow the government to ban them. Quite frankly it doesn't allow for BLM lands, national parks and forests or a whole lot of other crap the feds do. Again national parks and forests (for the most part) are good things but the feds had no right to confiscate state lands to create them.
Once you start letting the government ignore the Constitution for what seems like a pretty good reason you open Pandora's box. Suddenly you have the government allowing eminent domain being used to take people's land not for a needful municipal project but to turn over to a private developer for no other reason than a condo development would generate more tax revenue than a small farm.
You must live around New London, Connecticut. Think that happened there a few years ago..

 

[reefraff]

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So perhaps one of you from the political left can explain where in the constitution A woman's right to privacy in the matter of an abortion is granted.
If she wanted to sit on her bedroom and smoke a joint it doesn't exist
If she wanted to enter into a polygamist marriage it doesn't exist
If she is terminally ill and wants her doctor help her to end her life to avoid suffering it doesn't exist
And there are multitudes of drugs and medical procedures allowed in other countries that are banned in this country and the right to privacy doesn't come into play.
There is no right to absolute privacy granted in the constitution yet you have no problem when courts restrict specifically granted rights.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2977295
You must live around New London, Connecticut. Think that happened there a few years ago..
I just follow the news, that was a rather well publicized case. One guy tried to get eminent domain used on the family home of the Supreme court justice who wrote the opinion allowing it.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2976734
Doesn't effect ME! WHAT!

Only effects 3% of the gun owning population...WHAT?

This is where I again say that you are delusional.It is in FACT definitive proof of your brain washed state of mind. You believe that some how this is going to take guns out of the hands of those who already posses them. Thereby effecting ONLY them. When in fact it affects every single American citizen. Including you. It prevents me from being able to purchase one SHOULD I DECIDE I WANT TO. It effects your children(hopefully they are not all murdered by you before they are born) from being able to purchase one.
When the bank robbery occurred whenever it was, where the robbers were armed with FA AW and body armor, the cops were out gunned severely. They soon did obtain some assault weapons to fight back with. Where did they get these from? Would they have been there for them under the ban?
My 9mm becomes an illegal AW under the ban when I have a 15 round clip in it. Yet you say it doesn't effect me. What if I want to buy more 15 round clips? How exactly does it become an AW just because it hold 5 more rounds than it did with a 10 round clip?
Dosent effect me...HMMMMM My 12 Y.O. son can see that it would...Why cant you?
Better take your Prozac before you pop an artery. Why are you telling me? I'm just taking the opponent side of this ridiculous argument. I have no power to 'flip the switch' and enact this ban. Go tell someone who cares.
Probably the best thing that could happen with this ban is that it WILL keep you from buying one. With your attitude and anger against anyone regarding this issue, I don't think I'd be taking a trip to the Ozarks anytime soon.
They won't limit access to AW to the cops. I'm sure they'll have an exception for them.
Why do you need more than 1, maybe 2, 15 round clips? You've been watching Bruce Willis in those Die Hard movies?

Oh that's right, BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO, OK!?!?!?
My 14 year old could care less about guns. More concentrated in making the nationals with her competitive cheerleading team and Top 5% in school so she can get into a good pre-med program when she graduates high school. Guess she has different priorities.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2977300
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So perhaps one of you from the political left can explain where in the constitution A woman's right to privacy in the matter of an abortion is granted.
If she wanted to sit on her bedroom and smoke a joint it doesn't exist
If she wanted to enter into a polygamist marriage it doesn't exist
If she is terminally ill and wants her doctor help her to end her life to avoid suffering it doesn't exist
And there are multitudes of drugs and medical procedures allowed in other countries that are banned in this country and the right to privacy doesn't come into play.
There is no right to absolute privacy granted in the constitution yet you have no problem when courts restrict specifically granted rights.
Give me a good interpretation of Amendment 9 - unenumerated rights. Everything I read, that can mean anything regarding an individual's rights.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
A woman that wants an abortion, that's her Life, Liberty, and pursuit of Happiness...
Smoke a joint? Some states allow it. It's only a misdemeanor if you have less than an ounce in your possession.
Polygamy? It's practiced all over Utah. We've even got a big ranch here in El Dorado, Texas. They arrested some of the men because they 'married' kids, but ended up letting most of them go. They're all back there as we speak, still living large with all their 'sister wives'...
Just read an article the other day where there's a medical group trying to get laws past in some state that will allow assisted death in certain situations. I personally had no problem with Kervorkian. If I ever get into a terminal illness situation, I'd prefer to have one of his devices to get it over with.
The only reason most of those medical procedures in other countries are banned, is because the FDA has too many drug company lobbyists keeping them from approving them.

 

[darthtang aw]

talked with my dad today. He just purchased one of these.
He has been looking for something along these lines since his shoulder have been reconstructed they can't handle the kick from any gun that would need to be braced against it...this covers all his bases, protection and he can do some hunting with it.

 

[wattsupdoc]

My son doesn't care too much about them either. But he can keep up with a conversation and rationalize like any 12 y.o kid can do..Some people cant make rational decisions or comparisons.

It's a good thing you wont be coming up here, my Prozacs getting expensive and well you know....
I need lots of 15 round clips so when I want to go blasting the gun of like hellfire at the range I don't have to reload so much. I spend all day reloading when I could be shootin the hell outta something. Like on New years, Two of us got to shoot off 15 rounds outta it, but two others only got 10 rounds each. I felt bad, had to get the pumps out so they could make up for it some. Heck I shoot whitetail and coyotes right out my office window if i want. Shot at a lil red fox a couple weeks ago. I got dead squirrels and coons and possums laying all over the place, I like shootin. Shoot, my youngest niece just joined the Army. She'll be soon going to Ft Riley Ks. She's in right now. I just talked to her, told her i wanted to go coyote huntin' with her. Or at least to the range and do some shootin. Told her she'd like my 22/250. It's just about the same stinkin thing she's been shootin in the Army. M-16 is a .223 you know. Anywho, told her that would make me right proud to spend the day shootin' with her, I'd shed a tear every time she squeezed the trigger...
Now, is that redneck enough for you? Does that make you feel you have the superior intellect you think you have? You just keep feeling that way my friend, cause you'll believe anything anybody spins anyway as long as it makes you feel good...
Like puttin' a turd in a box and telling you it's a rose. You'll buy it as long as it looks like someone else did. Then when you get home and realize it smells really bad, you'll assume yours must have decomposed already.After all, your too smart to not know that it wasn't really a rose.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2977339
My son doesn't care too much about them either. But he can keep up with a conversation and rationalize like any 12 y.o kid can do..Some people cant make rational decisions or comparisons.

It's a good thing you wont be coming up here, my Prozacs getting expensive and well you know....
I need lots of 15 round clips so when I want to go blasting the gun of like hellfire at the range I don't have to reload so much. I spend all day reloading when I could be shootin the hell outta something. Like on New years, Two of us got to shoot off 15 rounds outta it, but two others only got 10 rounds each. I felt bad, had to get the pumps out so they could make up for it some. Heck I shoot whitetail and coyotes right out my office window if i want. Shot at a lil red fox a couple weeks ago. I got dead squirrels and coons and possums laying all over the place, I like shootin. Shoot, my youngest niece just joined the Army. She'll be soon going to Ft Riley Ks. She's in right now. I just talked to her, told her i wanted to go coyote huntin' with her. Or at least to the range and do some shootin. Told her she'd like my 22/250. It's just about the same stinkin thing she's been shootin in the Army. M-16 is a .223 you know. Anywho, told her that would make me right proud to spend the day shootin' with her, I'd shed a tear every time she squeezed the trigger...
Now, is that redneck enough for you? Does that make you feel you have the superior intellect you think you have? You just keep feeling that way my friend, cause you'll believe anything anybody spins anyway as long as it makes you feel good...
Like puttin' a turd in a box and telling you it's a rose. You'll buy it as long as it looks like someone else did. Then when you get home and realize it smells really bad, you'll assume yours must have decomposed already.After all, your too smart to not know that it wasn't really a rose.

Hey, you're the one doin' the rantin' and ravin' about losing your gun rights, not me. I'm not sitting here bragging about my gun inventory, and getting upset that I might possibly lose the abilty to buy another clip for my gun so I can have 5 more rounds in it. It's all in your delivery and how someone perceives the point you're trying to get across. If you sound like a backwoods hick, then obviously you must be a backwoods hick. I just call them as I see them.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2977441
Hey, you're the one doin' the rantin' and ravin' about losing your gun rights, not me. I'm not sitting here bragging about my gun inventory, and getting upset that I might possibly lose the abilty to buy another clip for my gun so I can have 5 more rounds in it. It's all in your delivery and how someone perceives the point you're trying to get across. If you sound like a backwoods hick, then obviously you must be a backwoods hick. I just call them as I see them.
*SIGH*

Can we have a discussion without derogatory comments?

 

[ironeagle2006]

Bionicarm I went back a reread the actual newpapers on the NIU shooting here in IL last year. The man that did this massacare only used 10 round clips for his berretta and used hollow point ammo. He also bought his ammo and gun ILLEGALLY since he was a mental patient at the time and here in IL would not have passed the FOID card background. Gun control does NOTHING at all to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals it is the law obying people that take it on the chin the and up the other orifices the hardest.
If any of you want to see what the Liberal education of fear of weapons has done to us about weapons get the Ashes series of books by Willam Johnstone. The first one is the Funniest were one a reporter thinks a M-16 is loaded IIRC on the weapon when there is no clip in it and the bolt is back and how stupid he is made to look also on his stance towards crime when he asks why he needs security to follow him at home and here everyone leaves their cars and homes unlocked.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2977444
*SIGH*

Can we have a discussion without derogatory comments?

Talk to your buddy watts who continues to call me dillusional, and thinks I'd kill my unborn child just because I support Pro Choice.

 

[wattsupdoc]

You just see them as your told to..........
You see bionic. I am trying to make a point here. But you cannot see it because you have your blinders on. In fact a large percentage of Americans are just like you today. You don't even do a very good job of keeping up with your own conversation. You flip flop around and twist and turn your conversation without ever answering anything. This is the communication skills you have been taught by those that put the blinders on you.
Just like a donkey pulling a cart. All I have to do is put up the slightest bit of information that leans towards the direction you want to go and then you go there. You you ignore the obvious even though it is right in front of your face, you just maintain course until you feel a little tug. You discount the truth simply because it does not equate to what your rationale requires it to be.
Through this entire conversation, you have time and time again been faced with question or fact constantly .Yet never, not even once , have you given a single solid reply to any of them. O(h, you'll point to some sad situation , not even related to AW, or another and want people to believe that these are caused by assault weapons. Possibly because you yourself are not smart enough to believe anything otherwise. Or question the situation , either way, you have your blinders on and evidently like it that way.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2976746
Just another response from the guns and religion built this country crowd I see.

Without the "guns and religion crowd" we would not have a country.
You ever take a US history course?

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2977312
My 14 year old could care less about guns. More concentrated in making the nationals with her competitive cheerleading team and Top 5% in school so she can get into a good pre-med program when she graduates high school. Guess she has different priorities.
What a great time to enter the medical field.

I hope she likes working for minimum wage for the gov't.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2976780
I think if we did away with both parties that would solve the majority of what is really going wrong. I do not consider myself a democrat, republican, or independent FWIW. I stand by whoever has the best solution IMO.
Cheers!
You should sit down and read Washington's Farewell Address. He predicted much of what you said, along with some other thoughts.
Then again, schools today teach he was an evil white man.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2977594
What a great time to enter the medical field.

I hope she likes working for minimum wage for the gov't.
She wants to be a dermatologist or plastic surgeon. She already realizes where thew big bucks are..

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2977608
She wants to be a dermatologist or plastic surgeon. She already realizes where thew big bucks are..

Not under socialism.