Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2977902
I could agree our three branches of government are small in numbers, but weak? Look at the power that a senator holds. How many millions of voices does the Senator from California represent? Look at what effect just 100 Americans have on this country, and the power they hold in their hands to literally change how people live and think. You call that weak? If we got rid of the House and Senate, and turned it back over to the people, it wouldn't be small and weak any longer.
Bionic, you realize the Senate was set up to represent the STATES, not the people correct? We amended the Constitution and screwed the system up, giving up more power to the feds. Making the Senators run by popular vote also set us up for more pork.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2978008
Bionic, you realize the Senate was set up to represent the STATES, not the people correct? We amended the Constitution and screwed the system up, giving up more power to the feds. Making the Senators run by popular vote also set us up for more pork.
Yeaa. And don't PEOPLE live in those STATES? Senators and U.S. Representatives were elected by the PEOPLE to represent THEM, not their state. We have STATE Senators in the local STATE government as well. What's your point?
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2977996
I never claimed to be a gun expert...more words in my mouth. I posted my list of weapons at YOUR REQUEST....you claimed I had none.... Because of your manner of logic gathering, false statistic creating, many get the wrong information and thereby make poor decisions at the ballot box. I remember when the issue of gay marriage came up here in MO. An old buddy of mine who is as homophobic as it come voted to allow gay marriage. You see the ballot required a yes vote(To amend to constitution to not allow it) when he voted NO on the ballot. Poor , uninformed mislead fella.... Anyways, here's a little FACT for you. Look at the years the ban was in place as well as all the preceding years thereafter. You will notice a steady decline of crime throughout the US.m EVEN AFTER THE BAN LAPSED....
With 2007 ending the lowest crime rates of all. WHY? I have to believe it is the concealed carry laws becoming more and more prevalent. Less guns in the world doesn't lower crime, MORE guns do. It' simple. The bottom table shows the crime rate per 100 thousand.......
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
I tried posting the table itself, but it just didn't work out...
In my eyes if you support "Pro Choice" you are guilty of being an accessory to murder....
When you are sooooo far to the left as you are, EVERYONES is to the right.....

You were the one who put me on the table and said that I lied and I knew nothing about guns, nor did I own one. You got caught in your own trap, and now want to sneak your way out of it.
Don't come crying to me if the people in your state don't know how to read a simple ballot. Gives me a better understanding of who you are...
Pro Choice is another opinion you can choose to have. Next time some woman who has an unwanted pregnancy and pops out another kid, I'll have her send them to you to take care of so my tax dollars don't have to.
You consider the little group of individual's who peruse this forum as EVERYONE. Boy, talk about somebody with blinder's on. If EVERYONE is so far to the right, why was a person you consider LEFT elected President?
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2978021
Yeaa. And don't PEOPLE live in those STATES? Senators and U.S. Representatives were elected by the PEOPLE to represent THEM, not their state. We have STATE Senators in the local STATE government as well. What's your point?

You don't get it do you?
Do you see the advantage of having the Senators represent the States? Not having to bring home the pork every cycle just to get re-elected?
There was a reason the Founders wroteit that way. We changed it and now were paying the price in high taxes.
You can get a free Constitution from heritage.org. I suggest you read it along with the original document.Look at the changes we've made. Some for better, some for worse. Changing the way we appointed senators was not a great idea.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2977927
But what would become of Nancy Pelosi?

For fear of sounding heartless......
Being a Kalifornian, I REALLY DON'T CARE!
...as long as she doesn't represent me any longer.
I can't imagine how or why the deluded people of California continue to elect and re-elect Pelosis and Feinsteins.
 

wattsupdoc

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2978031
You were the one who put me on the table and said that I lied and I knew nothing about guns, nor did I own one. You got caught in your own trap, and now want to sneak your way out of it.
What the heck are you talking about here? Where do you get that you caught me in your trap? You truly do have serious communication problems don't you. Can you even follow along with a normal conversation?
Don't come crying to me if the people in your state don't know how to read a simple ballot. Gives me a better understanding of who you are...
Here you go again. Not able to comprehend a thing anyone says to you. You just cant seem to communicate at all. Where did I come crying to you? My point was that left America distorts and twists things and causes uninformed ignorant people to make bad choices in order to get what they want. Yes, I'm saying my old buddy was ignorant. He was, but that doesn't mean stupid, I mean, he could follow a conversation and all.

Pro Choice is another opinion you can choose to have. Next time some woman who has an unwanted pregnancy and pops out another kid, I'll have her send them to you to take care of so my tax dollars don't have to.
See this (your)attitude is humanly flawed. So a woman goes messing around with some guy she just met, then she gets pregnant because she didn't want to take the time to use one of the many methods of BIRTH CONTROL. She gets pregnant. thinks the guy might" do the right thing" but he's a Lil weasel piece of crap and bolts on her. Now shes 6 months along. And she decides I'm not having this "thing". So she goes to a doctor. The doctor says, yeah OK AY ME!. Then he drills a small hole in the baby's head and scrambles the brains of the child, then vacuums out what is there. After this is done, he begins to pull the carcass from the womb. Only he was a pretty good sized baby boy, so there's some resistance,Pull a little harder, ooooops, the baby begins to rip and finally the body is torn in two. The mother can feel all this as it's going on, but cant back out as she child is already dead. The procedure continues as reality sets in to the mother and the remaining portion of the carcass is pulled from the womb.

How exactly is that even a thing a person can choose to do? Isn't it much easier to educate and properly parent? If this same woman had the proper parenting then this scenario would never be an issue. And she still not be "burdened" or punished with a child.
My wife and I were foster parents for some time. We helped several kids during this time. We were licensed to the hilt to help any we could. We were looking to adopt. Believe me I know it's not the kids in this world that are the problem. It's the stupid stinkin strung out parrents....Bring your kid on buddy, we'll take her, just dont kill her....
You consider the little group of individual's who peruse this forum as EVERYONE. Boy, talk about somebody with blinder's on. If EVERYONE is so far to the right, why was a person you consider LEFT elected President?
No... I don't consider this group as everyone... Do you think that this group is all that there are in this country? The fact is there are more people that I know in this world that see my point of view than see yours. HOW is it that the most radical right winger has became president? Rhetoric, propaganda, distress in our country, a serious feeling of desperation, which leads to a person doing ANYTHING to get relief. As well as the fact that racism is definitely an issue. My sister voted for the man, just because she wanted to be "part of history". Prior to election day, she said, he scared the crap out of her.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2978031
Pro Choice is another opinion you can choose to have. Next time some woman who has an unwanted pregnancy and pops out another kid, I'll have her send them to you to take care of so my tax dollars don't have to.
I used to agree with this, but have changed my mind. After researching abortion, I realize that if my tax money would prevent the brutal death of a child, then so be it. I choose supporting someone elses children before I choose killing them. I know that a LOT of people support abortion. I only ask that you research abortion and what it really is.
again...
http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/pictures.html
and...
http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
 

bionicarm

Active Member
wattsupdoc;2978154 said:
What the heck are you talking about here? Where do you get that you caught me in your trap? You truly do have serious communication problems don't you. Can you even follow along with a normal conversation?
Go read your post again (I'm told you should do that here). You called me a flat-out liar because I apparently knew nothing about 9MM's, since I stated mine had a 15 round clip, and you assumed that they only came with 10. So your next post you come back with the "I never said I was a gun expert." Sorry, didn't sound like it to me.
Here you go again. Not able to comprehend a thing anyone says to you. You just cant seem to communicate at all. Where did I come crying to you? My point was that left America distorts and twists things and causes uninformed ignorant people to make bad choices in order to get what they want. Yes, I'm saying my old buddy was ignorant. He was, but that doesn't mean stupid, I mean, he could follow a conversation and all.
What do you call it? Another one of your rants about how the liberals are 'messing' with how something is put on a ballot to intentionally get what they want. If you can't read a simple ballot and understand what you are voting for, ASK SOMEONE. That, or just don't vote. Don't go blaming someone or start some conspiracy theory just because you thought it was written poorly.
See this (your)attitude is humanly flawed. So a woman goes messing around with some guy she just met, then she gets pregnant because she didn't want to take the time to use one of the many methods of BIRTH CONTROL. She gets pregnant. thinks the guy might" do the right thing" but he's a Lil weasel piece of crap and bolts on her. Now shes 6 months along. And she decides I'm not having this "thing". So she goes to a doctor. The doctor says, yeah OK AY ME!. Then he drills a small hole in the baby's head and scrambles the brains of the child, then vacuums out what is there. After this is done, he begins to pull the carcass from the womb. Only he was a pretty good sized baby boy, so there's some resistance,Pull a little harder, ooooops, the baby begins to rip and finally the body is torn in two. The mother can feel all this as it's going on, but cant back out as she child is already dead. The procedure continues as reality sets in to the mother and the remaining portion of the carcass is pulled from the womb.

How exactly is that even a thing a person can choose to do? Isn't it much easier to educate and properly parent? If this same woman had the proper parenting then this scenario would never be an issue. And she still not be "burdened" or punished with a child.
My wife and I were foster parents for some time. We helped several kids during this time. We were licensed to the hilt to help any we could. We were looking to adopt. Believe me I know it's not the kids in this world that are the problem. It's the stupid stinkin strung out parrents....Bring your kid on buddy, we'll take her, just dont kill her....
OK. Let's go to the extreme to get your Pro Choice point across. Show me the statistics where the majority of abortions are done for convenience. Most abortion laws don't allow them after the second trimester, so 6 months is ridiculous. Did you bother to read the MSN article? The girl was 9 YEARS OLD and was RAPED by her stepfather. She weighed less than 90 pounds, and was a health risk for having TWINS. But the church didn't care and still excommunicated her and her mother. Yea, Pro Choice is the way to go.


No... I don't consider this group as everyone... Do you think that this group is all that there are in this country? The fact is there are more people that I know in this world that see my point of view than see yours. HOW is it that the most radical right winger has became president? Rhetoric, propaganda, distress in our country, a serious feeling of desperation, which leads to a person doing ANYTHING to get relief. As well as the fact that racism is definitely an issue. My sister voted for the man, just because she wanted to be "part of history". Prior to election day, she said, he scared the crap out of her.

You apparently don't know many people. Where do you get that Obama is "the most radical right winger"? Do you even bother to read what you post? AGAIN, if there are so many people that you know that see your point of view, why did Obama, where pretty much everyone else in this world that you don't know understands he's a LIBERAL, win the elction and become President? At least your sister got it right. That's one person you know that doesn't agree with you.
 

wattsupdoc

Active Member
You apparently don't know many people.
I bet I meet more people in a weeks time than most do...
Where do you get that Obama is "the most radical right winger"?
Yeah you got me on that one.
I'll correct myself right here though.
HOW is it that the most edit liberal left wing nut job...edit has became president? Rhetoric, propaganda, distress in our country, a serious feeling of desperation, which leads to a person doing ANYTHING to get relief. As well as the fact that racism is definitely an issue. My sister voted for the man, just because she wanted to be "part of history". Prior to election day, she said, he scared the crap out of her.
Is that better sir?
Do you even bother to read what you post? AGAIN, if there are so many people that you know that see your point of view, why did Obama, where pretty much everyone else in this world that you don't know understands he's a LIBERAL, voted for the guy?

I posted that already, cant you recall what I posted, or are you just concerned with bashing someone? OK, I'll re post it, now read carefully....Here's a hint the words are green and red OK?
HOW is it that the most edit liberal left wing nut job...edit has became president? Rhetoric, propaganda, distress in our country, a serious feeling of desperation, which leads to a person doing ANYTHING to get relief. As well as the fact that racism is definitely an issue. My sister voted for the man, just because she wanted to be "part of history". Prior to election day, she said, he scared the crap out of her.

At least your sister got it right. That's one person you know that doesn't agree with you.
Yeah my sister is a nut job, she's got a serious gambling habit, dates a fella whose daughters name is Felony, and wouldn't know the truth if it hit her in the face.... Thing is, she's a native Texan just like you, with an RN licence. So shes an educated idiot. Like many liberals I suppose.
Extreme cases like ---- and

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or molestation go without mention as they are IMO different situations. But aborting a pregnancy as a means of birth control is wrong. Mr. yobama himself said he wouldn't want his daughter to be "punished" with a child...REALLY children are punishments now. What ever happened to them being blessings???? Our country is in a world of trouble with idiots like this running around.
Let me ask you this...you have managed moved the conversation from AW ban to another topic all together. Why is that? Cant win the Gun debate so you move to any other huh?
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2978272
I bet I meet more people in a weeks time than most do...
Yeah you got me on that one.
I'll correct myself right here though.
Is that better sir?
I posted that already, cant you recall what I posted, or are you just concerned with bashing someone? OK, I'll re post it, now read carefully....Here's a hint the words are green and red OK?
Yeah my sister is a nut job, she's got a serious gambling habit, dates a fella whose daughters name is Felony, and wouldn't know the truth if it hit her in the face.... Thing is, she's a native Texan just like you, with an RN licence. So shes an educated idiot. Like many liberals I suppose.
Extreme cases like ---- and

[hr]
or molestation go without mention as they are IMO different situations. But aborting a pregnancy as a means of birth control is wrong. Mr. yobama himself said he wouldn't want his daughter to be "punished" with a child...REALLY children are punishments now. What ever happened to them being blessings???? Our country is in a world of trouble with idiots like this running around.
Let me ask you this...you have managed moved the conversation from AW ban to another topic all together. Why is that? Cant win the Gun debate so you move to any other huh?
Actually, I'm not sure who drug abortion into this issue. I'm not surprised though. Abortion and gay marriage end up getting sucked into almost every controversial thread here when the right wingers start losing ground in their arguments. Isn't that one of the requirements for being a conservative right wing nut job?
Why do you think YOU won the debate? Oh that's right. Because you know EVERYONE that agrees with you. I noticed you didn't respond to my post where I justified why they would want to ban what they define as an assault weapon. You're biggest argument is because you won't be able to stock up on 15 round clips for your 9MM (now you sure your model will accept those?) Based on the ban's definition, that's a non-issue. Buy as many as you like. There's no problem with your Pump 870, or any of your other weapons either. Want that AR-15 or AK-47? Stay away from the models with the folding or telescoping stock, and don't add any of the other restrictions, and you're good to go. But of course if you want that TEC-9 or Uzi in your stocking next Christmas, that might be a tough sell. That's where of course you'll give me your standard "Taking away the right to own ANY gun is restricting my liberties based on the 2nd Amendment". Well you got me there. But to get anywhere in life, you sometimes have to compromise. Think of Mick Jagger -- "You can't always get what you want." If you honestly think you're liberties are being challenged because you can't buy one or two specific types of firearms that realistically have no valid purpose in a civilian's hands, then it's pointless to even debate you on this issue. I'll send a personal message to Barrack telling him to change his mind on instituting the ban. I mean, he can't argue with you. You know EVERYONE, and they all think they same as you...
 

stevedave08

Member
Aside from assault weapons, does anyone here think it's ok for a civilian to own a grenade launcher? You know, in case you need to blow up a deer.
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/2978476
Aside from assault weapons, does anyone here think it's ok for a civilian to own a grenade launcher? You know, in case you need to blow up a deer.
Absoluly,If you understand the intent of the 2nd Amendment you would know this already.It isnt a pro hunting Amendment it isnt a crime prevention Amendment.
Read it......
Study it.....
and then you will know why and what for.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2978490
Absoluly,If you understand the intent of the 2nd Amendment you would know this already.It isnt a pro hunting Amendment it isnt a crime prevention Amendment.
Read it......
Study it.....
and then you will know why and what for.
Personally, I consider it an anti-tyranny ammendment with a splash of defense.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/2978476
Aside from assault weapons, does anyone here think it's ok for a civilian to own a grenade launcher? You know, in case you need to blow up a deer.
Again, you completely miss the point of the 2nd Amendment.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2977848
I thought I did. But remember, I don't read my own posts. Come on, we've been through this one already. Quit regurgitating the same response. I found one article where crime statistics were reduced after the ban. Think it was in Miami or some other Florida town. But again, what does that prove? Show me statistics that say every crime comitted with a gun was done with a firearm that isn't on this assault weapons list. I already told you, the cops don't really know what kind of weapon that was used half the time. Want to read an interesting point/counter-point on the gun ban issue?
http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/De..._United_States

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, went back and read all your posts. You didn't produce anything. So giving you the benefit of the doubt again, I ran my own search...still didn't find anything. So to back up your claim please produce the link as I have done with my points.
I already told you 2-3% of all gun crimes involve assault weapons...try paying attention...I know in the economic times it is tough, but you can afford to pay attention.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2978511
I gave you the benefit of the doubt, went back and read all your posts. You didn't produce anything. So giving you the benefit of the doubt again, I ran my own search...still didn't find anything. So to back up your claim please produce the link as I have done with my points.
I already told you 2-3% of all gun crimes involve assault weapons...try paying attention...I know in the economic times it is tough, but you can afford to pay attention.

Why are you stuck on proving that the ban doesn't reduce crime? Read my last post. Look at the heart of the ban. You're talking about restricting one or two specific weapons. Whether you can prove banning these guns hasn't reduced crime is irrelevent. It's allowing the potential to reduce crime is all that matters. Sure, none of these guns could ever be used to commit a crime. But as long as they are available, there is a POTENTIAL that they could be used. Where do you get this 2% - 3% statistic? Where are they getting their numbers? You pulling this from some NRA propaganda site? You have special access to some national database that collates crime statistic data from around the country? Also, show me your statistics proving every gun crime committed on a daily basis, is done with a weapon that's not on the ban list. You can't. In a lot of the deadly assault cases, authorities cannot prove 100% what type of weapon was used to commit the crime. If all they have are shell casings, they cannot 100% validate it came from an TEC-9 or a 9MM pistol. Both use the same ammo. So your 2% statistic is flawed. So I'm not sure what I'm suppose to produce. I showed you what the ban entails, and you choose to ignore it.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/post/2978522
Why are you stuck on proving that the ban doesn't reduce crime? Read my last post. Look at the heart of the ban. You're talking about restricting one or two specific weapons. Whether you can prove banning these guns hasn't reduced crime is irrelevent. It's allowing the potential to reduce crime is all that matters. Sure, none of these guns could ever be used to commit a crime. But as long as they are available, there is a POTENTIAL that they could be used. Where do you get this 2% - 3% statistic? Where are they getting their numbers? You pulling this from some NRA propaganda site? You have special access to some national database that collates crime statistic data from around the country? Also, show me your statistics proving every gun crime committed on a daily basis, is done with a weapon that's not on the ban list. You can't. In a lot of the deadly assault cases, authorities cannot prove 100% what type of weapon was used to commit the crime. If all they have are shell casings, they cannot 100% validate it came from an TEC-9 or a 9MM pistol. Both use the same ammo. So your 2% statistic is flawed. So I'm not sure what I'm suppose to produce. I showed you what the ban entails, and you choose to ignore it.
I have received it from data sites. But here is one for you that is from Feinstein's website who wants this ban.
"In 1995, the first year that the ban went into effect, assault weapons represented 3.57 percent of all crime guns recovered from crimes. By 2002, assault weapons represented only 1.22 percent of the number of guns used in crimes."
That is a very low percentage of crime....from the horses mouth. With this crime fighting mentality let's ban beer (not liquor) to reduce the number of those killed by drunk driving. This is almost as ridiculous.
By the way, we don't need beer.
Now, I have shown you an example of where I got this...now show me a city where gun crime in general dropped when any form of gun ban went into effect. You still won't, and you will give me the lame argument you don't have to, and try to attack my position again without bringing forth anything to back up your claims.
 
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