Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2976443
What is wrong with that?
Not in the Constitution. You ever read the document?
There was real debate on which amendment should be first, speech won out, but is there free speech without the abbility to defend it?
The socialists anre now trying to limit speech too though the so called "fairness doctrine".
Obama's poll numbers are tanking.
They have no plan, the Treasury Sec's speech showed that.
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2976446
Yet another sterotypical response from the right...Your speaking from the days of the early 90's, it is not like what you think it is these days...Have you ever even been there?

OK, look at DC for the last 3 years. That gun ban worked great! It was more dangerous than Iraq.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2976443
What is wrong with that?
I think that sums it up... both the gun control debate and the failing of our Nation.
When people are willing to say "who cares" about the Constitution our society is doomed to fade away into obscurity like so many other great Nations.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2976088
I want to by a thermonuclear device. Why can't I buy that? I want to buy dynamite, grenades, nitro glycerine. I imagine I could obtain these devices if I provided the proper documentation. Same thing could happen with these assault weapons. Like I said towards the beginning of this thread. You want one of these so bad? Make it a requirement to shoot several bullets out of the gun before purchase. Put pictures of the fired bullets in a national database. If your gun is traced back to ANY crime by comparing the bullet at the crime scene, to your bullet in the database, you get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law based on the crime whether it was you or anyone else that used your weapon for that crime. You and your future generations can still buy these weapons, you just better make darn sure it doesn't leave your possession unless you want it to (selling it legally to someone else). But of course that means there's CONDITIONS to the purchase of these guns. WE CAN'T HAVE THAT. Exactly what right from the Constitution does that infringe?
You bet I believe in abortions and gay marriages. It's called EQUAL RIGHTS and A RIGHT TO DECIDE ON YOUR OWN. You want your guns, gays want to have legal rights and women want the right to choose what they can or can't do to their body, WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION, what's the difference?
Nice little armory you have there. Based on your selections, you appear to be a hunter and like to plink cans and other small targets in your backyard. 9mm for the house and the little woman to use. I would guess 97% of the gun owners in this country have pretty much the same types of guns as you. The other 3% are the ones who purchase the exotic and other non-standard weapons (i.e Assault Weapons). Out of the approximately 97% who buy the traditional guns, probably less than 10% of those would have any interest in purchasing said exotic and non-standard guns. So exactly how many people would actually be affected by this ban? Now I'm sure journey or the other statistitions on this forum will want exact and factual numbers. So Doc, I'm leaving that task up to you.
What does it matter how many are effected by the ban if it's unconstitutional?
Having private citizens be able to posess these things doesn't increase crime. Had there been squat for proof of that you wouldn't see pelosi and reid opposing Obama on it.
I am not arguing that a guy off the street should be allowed to walk in and buy a machine gun. I am arguing the constitution as written does not allow the government to ban them. Quite frankly it doesn't allow for BLM lands, national parks and forests or a whole lot of other crap the feds do. Again national parks and forests (for the most part) are good things but the feds had no right to confiscate state lands to create them.
Once you start letting the government ignore the Constitution for what seems like a pretty good reason you open Pandora's box. Suddenly you have the government allowing eminent domain being used to take people's land not for a needful municipal project but to turn over to a private developer for no other reason than a condo development would generate more tax revenue than a small farm.
 

jdl

Member
this thread is still going on?
i stopped reading around page 4, but let me guess....
bio still wants assault weapons banned because he thinks they arent needed, has no proof of anything bad about assult weapons except the typical left claims.
The right wants the guns because 'GOD' told them they are allowed to own guns, and if assault weapons are banned, it is the begging of the end of mankind??
in the meantime, earmarks continue to be passed by congress. How about we focus our attention on our politicians and hold them responsible for there votes.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by JDL
http:///forum/post/2976509
in the meantime, earmarks continue to be passed by congress. How about we focus our attention on our politicians and hold them responsible for there votes.

I have no trouble multi-tasking.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2976446
Yet another sterotypical response from the right...Your speaking from the days of the early 90's, it is not like what you think it is these days...Have you ever even been there?

Yes I have been there....the last time was a year ago roughly and I drove down Crenshaw. Incidentally Compton's current murder rate is 5 times the national city average......
 

wattsupdoc

Active Member
Doesn't effect ME! WHAT!
Only effects 3% of the gun owning population...WHAT?
This is where I again say that you are delusional.It is in FACT definitive proof of your brain washed state of mind. You believe that some how this is going to take guns out of the hands of those who already posses them. Thereby effecting ONLY them. When in fact it affects every single American citizen. Including you. It prevents me from being able to purchase one SHOULD I DECIDE I WANT TO. It effects your children(hopefully they are not all murdered by you before they are born) from being able to purchase one.
When the bank robbery occurred whenever it was, where the robbers were armed with FA AW and body armor, the cops were out gunned severely. They soon did obtain some assault weapons to fight back with. Where did they get these from? Would they have been there for them under the ban?
My 9mm becomes an illegal AW under the ban when I have a 15 round clip in it. Yet you say it doesn't effect me. What if I want to buy more 15 round clips? How exactly does it become an AW just because it hold 5 more rounds than it did with a 10 round clip?
Dosent effect me...HMMMMM My 12 Y.O. son can see that it would...Why cant you?
 

wattsupdoc

Active Member
Good Lord what is becoming of this country! OK to murder unborn children, but you cant have something that may protect your right (supoposedly, if it were in FACT a right) to murder them....

 

jp30338

Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2976536
Yes I have been there....the last time was a year ago roughly and I drove down Crenshaw. Incidentally Compton's current murder rate is 5 times the national city average......
I am not saying they are not rough neighborhoods, by any means. There are others such as Baltimore, D.C., Philadelphia, just about ANY larger city you could have compared besides the stereotypical response.
 

jp30338

Member
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2976741
Good Lord what is becoming of this country! OK to murder unborn children, but you cant have something that may protect your right (supoposedly, if it were in FACT a right) to murder them....


It is called Pro-Choice. In my opinion and many others in the U.S. it is not considered MURDER.
Just another response from the guns and religion built this country crowd I see.
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2976746
It is called Pro-Choice. In my opinion and many others in the U.S. it is not considered MURDER.
Just another response from the guns and religion built this country crowd I see.
Sorry ,late term abortion isnt covered in the Bill of Rights. But the Right to bear arms is.
 

wattsupdoc

Active Member
The problem with "Pro-Choice" is it doesn't give the unborn child a choice to live. My sister in law had one of these abortions. Before i met my wife. My wife was OK with her having it. Now she takes a different stance. WHY? Because her sister told her how it was performed and what it was like. Want me to describe it for you? It's pretty graphic. I wont post it unless you request me to. Expect that Bang Guy may edit or delete it also....Not because he's Pro choice, but because it's pretty rough.
You can put a pretty name on anything and it seems a lot nicer than it is. What does Al Qaeda consider suicide bombing? Put a nasty name on it and it seems a lot worse than it is. Call abortion baby murdering and people stop doing it.
Call it "Pro Choice" and some will do it just to experience or promote it.
There is no right to abort a baby......There is though the right to bear arms.
BTW, I am not a religious person. I do not believe our forefathers were ALL Christians as many would have you believe. I do believe that many were Deists though.....
 

jp30338

Member
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2976767
The problem with "Pro-Choice" is it doesn't give the unborn child a choice to live. My sister in law had one of these abortions. Before i met my wife. My wife was OK with her having it. Now she takes a different stance. WHY? Because her sister told her how it was performed and what it was like. Want me to describe it for you? It's pretty graphic. I wont post it unless you request me to. Expect that Bang Guy may edit or delete it also....Not because he's Pro choice, but because it's pretty rough.
You can put a pretty name on anything and it seems a lot nicer than it is. What does Al Qaeda consider suicide bombing? Put a nasty name on it and it seems a lot worse than it is. Call abortion baby murdering and people stop doing it.
Call it "Pro Choice" and some will do it just to experience or promote it.
There is no right to abort a baby......There is though the right to bear arms.
BTW, I am not a religious person. I do not believe our forefathers were ALL Christians as many would have you believe. I do believe that many were Deists though.....

no there is not a right to abort a baby, but someone brought it up in comparison, when there really is no comparison at all.
I just like to come in and stir the pot a bit. I think if we did away with both parties that would solve the majority of what is really going wrong. I do not consider myself a democrat, republican, or independent FWIW. I stand by whoever has the best solution IMO.
Cheers!
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2976744
I am not saying they are not rough neighborhoods, by any means. There are others such as Baltimore, D.C., Philadelphia, just about ANY larger city you could have compared besides the stereotypical response.
D.C. has a murder rate 3 times the national average. My point was taking the guns away as California has slowly been doing is not helping things as suggested in areas where crime and violence have prevailed before..
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2976811
D.C. has a murder rate 3 times the national average. My point was taking the guns away as California has slowly been doing is not helping things as suggested in areas where crime and violence have prevailed before..
jp30 lives or lived in GunTown USA.He knows what happened there was positive, yet he denies the fact that crime went down even with a huge population increase.Probably a indirect result of the law requiring heads of house to own a firearm

When they passed that law that must of really frosted you rear end lol
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2970109
Actually you would be violating a law by murdering someone using a banned assualt style weapon, because you feel you were FORCED to protect some sort of right.
Remeber in prison you have NO rights ;)
HUH? BTW you do have rights in prison.
 
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