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armywife1314
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you really want to know how many were vaccinated you'll find this very interesting. 1 out of the 3. they are all vaccinated now, but only recently. my son has been vaccinated and br3ast fed for a year, he has never been sick. he's at the top 90% of his height and weight also. in case you arent aware my son really needs to be vaccinated also because my husband is in the army and gets deployed to those third world countries that have the diseases still everyday. it is SAFER that my son is vaccinated. his pediatrician is foreign and doesnt like to prescibe medicine, however she knows our personal information and i asked her honest opinion if it would be safe to risk and and her answer was no, not unless you think your husband will be in a bubble over there. vaccines are not the root of autism. yes it has went up in the past years but you cant prove anything its all conspiracy theory.
im curious to know, not a personal attack just curiousity what is your profession? and how old are you?
im curious to know, not a personal attack just curiousity what is your profession? and how old are you?
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2635505
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I'm still waiting for you to show me where Obama was not associated with Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground. You said Obama had cleard that up, let's see it.
Howdy JOurney...I've actually done some research and the NObama link to Ayers goes back to 1988. THis has yet to receive play in the media but it will. It has been reported back to the miid 90's but it is actually back to 1988 Just like I warned a couple months ago to the NObama supporters Pfleger would be hthe next preacher suppoter of Nobama to fall out of the closet. You will most likely see the Ayers tie back to the late 80's play out some time in the fall/late summer.
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2638384
I have my reasons for agreeing with the principles of what the Weatherman Underground were trying to accomplish. Although what they did went to the extremes to get their message across, all the same, I understand why they did it. Washington pretty much fell on deaf ears when it came to peaceful and non-violent protests of the Vietnam War. So the only other way to get the point across was to take violent measures. That's what they did. Was it the right thing to do? Absolutely not. But they made their mark in history, and brought to light what a majority of Americans felt about Vietnam. Sadly, it may take the same type of extreme measures to finally convince Washington yet again to get out of a war that is eerily similar to that conflict back in the 60's and 70's.
So, is this what you agree with, son?
Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at
Shameful
http:///forum/post/2638384
I have my reasons for agreeing with the principles of what the Weatherman Underground were trying to accomplish. Although what they did went to the extremes to get their message across, all the same, I understand why they did it. Washington pretty much fell on deaf ears when it came to peaceful and non-violent protests of the Vietnam War. So the only other way to get the point across was to take violent measures. That's what they did. Was it the right thing to do? Absolutely not. But they made their mark in history, and brought to light what a majority of Americans felt about Vietnam. Sadly, it may take the same type of extreme measures to finally convince Washington yet again to get out of a war that is eerily similar to that conflict back in the 60's and 70's.
So, is this what you agree with, son?
Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at
Shameful
scubadoo
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More Weatherbomber garbage...shameful...
In 1967 he met Ms. Dohrn in Ann Arbor, Mich. She had a law degree from the University of Chicago and was a magnetic speaker who often wore thigh-high boots and miniskirts. In 1969, after the Manson family murders in Beverly Hills, Ms. Dohrn told an S.D.S. audience: ''Dig it! Manson killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they shoved a fork into a victim's stomach.''
In 1967 he met Ms. Dohrn in Ann Arbor, Mich. She had a law degree from the University of Chicago and was a magnetic speaker who often wore thigh-high boots and miniskirts. In 1969, after the Manson family murders in Beverly Hills, Ms. Dohrn told an S.D.S. audience: ''Dig it! Manson killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they shoved a fork into a victim's stomach.''
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2639014
You just don't get it. The Weatherman Underground was just one of many organizations that opposed the Vietnam War. ..
Actually son, the Weatherbombers views were more than just opposition to the war. Do some research on what they really wanted to do and where they went to learn how to do it...their philosophy is more than just bring the troops home and oppossition to the Viet Nam War.
You know very little about this group to dismiss their views and actions as just a simply opposed to the Viet Nam War. Feel free to research my posts on other threads as I have posted their history and views .
Feel free to bring evidence here to the contrary, son, that they were only just opposed to the war and had no other views or plans.
http:///forum/post/2639014
You just don't get it. The Weatherman Underground was just one of many organizations that opposed the Vietnam War. ..
Actually son, the Weatherbombers views were more than just opposition to the war. Do some research on what they really wanted to do and where they went to learn how to do it...their philosophy is more than just bring the troops home and oppossition to the Viet Nam War.
You know very little about this group to dismiss their views and actions as just a simply opposed to the Viet Nam War. Feel free to research my posts on other threads as I have posted their history and views .
Feel free to bring evidence here to the contrary, son, that they were only just opposed to the war and had no other views or plans.
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2637339
. He is a respected professor at the university of Chicago (one of the finest universities in the world).
Please do not disgrace the good folks at the University of Chicago and the alumni . Ayers is with the University of Illinois at Chicago . They are two differnet schools.
The University of Chicago is a private school and the Weatherbomber Ayers is not employed by this institution.
William Charles ("Bill") Ayers (born 1944) is a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago
Thank you
http:///forum/post/2637339
. He is a respected professor at the university of Chicago (one of the finest universities in the world).
Please do not disgrace the good folks at the University of Chicago and the alumni . Ayers is with the University of Illinois at Chicago . They are two differnet schools.
The University of Chicago is a private school and the Weatherbomber Ayers is not employed by this institution.
William Charles ("Bill") Ayers (born 1944) is a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago
Thank you
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2639434
Actually I have read up on the Weatherman Underground. The bombing of the Capitol Building was a lower level bathroom in the middle of the night. And with the exception of a bomb that went off prematurely at Ft. Dix, the other 'attacks' they made were on empty buildings where they gave advanced notice to the authorities of exactly when and where the bomb would go off. They did this because they never had any intent of harming innocent people.
Read this
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/weather.htm
http:///forum/post/2639434
Actually I have read up on the Weatherman Underground. The bombing of the Capitol Building was a lower level bathroom in the middle of the night. And with the exception of a bomb that went off prematurely at Ft. Dix, the other 'attacks' they made were on empty buildings where they gave advanced notice to the authorities of exactly when and where the bomb would go off. They did this because they never had any intent of harming innocent people.
Read this
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/weather.htm
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2639941
What's laughable is that you actually associate Obama with this individual to the point that you make it sound like he would follow this guy's viewpoints and principles. Not only that, but the guy did this over 30 years ago. I'd have to go back and get the specifics of how they know one another, but if I recall, they were on some board or something. The Republicans are trying to damage Obama's credibility through association. Typical trash talking dirty politics.
I would assume if you are going to defend the association you already have investigated and know the specifics?
Now you state you need to go back and research?
Go back to 1988 when doing so, son.
Also, you might want to take a look at where some of the money went. Here's a hint....Woods FOundation...follow the $. Come back and defend it once you go back and get the specifics.
Feel free to research my posts in other threads...it's all already been coverd, son.
http:///forum/post/2639941
What's laughable is that you actually associate Obama with this individual to the point that you make it sound like he would follow this guy's viewpoints and principles. Not only that, but the guy did this over 30 years ago. I'd have to go back and get the specifics of how they know one another, but if I recall, they were on some board or something. The Republicans are trying to damage Obama's credibility through association. Typical trash talking dirty politics.
I would assume if you are going to defend the association you already have investigated and know the specifics?
Also, you might want to take a look at where some of the money went. Here's a hint....Woods FOundation...follow the $. Come back and defend it once you go back and get the specifics.
Feel free to research my posts in other threads...it's all already been coverd, son.
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2639440
Keep reading.... They injured multiple people. They bombed the home of a judge while his family slept inside, they bombed an occupied police station (nearly killing an officer there), etc. Don't sugarcoat their terroristic attacks.
I have never, nor will I ever, support terrorist activity; Even against something as vile as an abortion clinic.
As I stated previously, I believe in the Constitution. It lays out ways to legally get things changed without resorting to trying to kill civilians...
I agree with this 100%.
THe individual defending the Weatherbombers knows very little about the "group", the Ayers/Nobama associations, or even the Woods Foundation.
It's ALL been covered in other threads.
I continue to be amazed the lack of knowledge many NObama supporters have regarding his past, his record, associations and judgement. How quickly it is dismissed...yet amazingly..they claim they need to go back and get the specifics...which they never did have.
THe Weatherbombers were for more than just opposed to the War. How that can be stated as their only objective is laughable and diplays a lack of knowledge regrading the group.
http:///forum/post/2639440
Keep reading.... They injured multiple people. They bombed the home of a judge while his family slept inside, they bombed an occupied police station (nearly killing an officer there), etc. Don't sugarcoat their terroristic attacks.
I have never, nor will I ever, support terrorist activity; Even against something as vile as an abortion clinic.
As I stated previously, I believe in the Constitution. It lays out ways to legally get things changed without resorting to trying to kill civilians...
I agree with this 100%.
THe individual defending the Weatherbombers knows very little about the "group", the Ayers/Nobama associations, or even the Woods Foundation.
It's ALL been covered in other threads.
I continue to be amazed the lack of knowledge many NObama supporters have regarding his past, his record, associations and judgement. How quickly it is dismissed...yet amazingly..they claim they need to go back and get the specifics...which they never did have.
THe Weatherbombers were for more than just opposed to the War. How that can be stated as their only objective is laughable and diplays a lack of knowledge regrading the group.
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2639941
I'd have to go back and get the specifics
Son, feel free to come back and lecture me after you complete your homework assignment regarding the Weatherbombers.
http:///forum/post/2639941
I'd have to go back and get the specifics
Son, feel free to come back and lecture me after you complete your homework assignment regarding the Weatherbombers.
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2638384
Sorry son. That was just a couple of examples. I have about 20 years of age over you, and believe me, I've donated more time and money helping communities not only in the US, but around the world for longer than you've been born.
So son, you beleive this somehow gives you status above any other individual that has served this country in the military or other ways? That's what your attitude is 'spewing".
All those that have served or supported this country in any way are important.
Those that seek to toot their own horns are no more important then the others that do so without beating their chest and/or sounding their own trumpet.
You have much to learn son and a homework assignment to complete.
http:///forum/post/2638384
Sorry son. That was just a couple of examples. I have about 20 years of age over you, and believe me, I've donated more time and money helping communities not only in the US, but around the world for longer than you've been born.
So son, you beleive this somehow gives you status above any other individual that has served this country in the military or other ways? That's what your attitude is 'spewing".
All those that have served or supported this country in any way are important.
Those that seek to toot their own horns are no more important then the others that do so without beating their chest and/or sounding their own trumpet.
You have much to learn son and a homework assignment to complete.
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2638980
Now this is a person with serious issues. You're country? What have you done in your life to justify this to be YOUR country? It's called Freedom of Speech. How anyone chooses to use that right, is up to them. Isn't Democracy wonderful?
You are correct....it is freedom of speech. Our brave men and women plus many civilians in a support role over in Iraq continue to battle the terrorists so we can have this freedom.
Isn't democracy and those that battle folks that seek to destroy us plus the fact we have had zero attacks since 9/11 on US soil wonderful?
http:///forum/post/2638980
Now this is a person with serious issues. You're country? What have you done in your life to justify this to be YOUR country? It's called Freedom of Speech. How anyone chooses to use that right, is up to them. Isn't Democracy wonderful?
You are correct....it is freedom of speech. Our brave men and women plus many civilians in a support role over in Iraq continue to battle the terrorists so we can have this freedom.
Isn't democracy and those that battle folks that seek to destroy us plus the fact we have had zero attacks since 9/11 on US soil wonderful?
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2633035
We are witnessing a historic moment in American History... regardless of who you support...many people didn't believe this would happen ...at least this soon. Keep in mind that 43 years ago was the day that the Voting Rights Act was inacted...and it will be 45 on the day of the convention that MLK gave "I Have a Dream" speech. It would have been significant if Clinton won, because she is a woman... but I believe it is more significant because a racial minority has won....there has at least been a woman as a VP on a ticket..
This is also a shift in generations because Obama is not a baby boomer and not of the Vietnam or WWII generations.. He also a person that has a person of foreigner as a father...
The majority of people are not voting for him because of race... You could also argue that a good # of people voted for McCain because he is a white male...and people who voted for Clinton because she is a woman and white... There are also people who voted against Obama because of his heritage and he is black. So lets cancels those out because it exists on all sides..
I would argue that being black has been a bigger hurdle because this is precedented moment... Keep in mind that he has had Secret Service protecting him for this whole election cycle.
So just like other firsts in history... this is equally as significant and should be lauded as such... Thurgood Marshall... Jackie Robinson... etc.
This is the 1st time that anyone other than a white man has won a major party nomination.
Rylan, you know my views regarding NObama but you are correct regarding the history momnet. However, the democratic party was due for history as a woman also could have made it .
Unfortunately, I beleive NObama is bad for America. I would prefer it be JC Watts, COndy Rice or someone else that I beleive would most represent my views and would be good for America. NObama is just too far left and has too much grabage in his closet. .
It's just my opinion........
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2634110
That's why every other country in the world despises us.
Please bring a list of our allies that no longer likes us and is no longer our ally
Based on your statement...it's every other country.
Son, you have yet another homework assignment.
http:///forum/post/2634110
That's why every other country in the world despises us.
Please bring a list of our allies that no longer likes us and is no longer our ally
Based on your statement...it's every other country.
Son, you have yet another homework assignment.
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2635351
Yea, after he got caught, he back-peddled and said we could possibly 'occupy' Iraq for 100 years, like the 50 we've been in Korea. Give me a break. If he could keep his 'surge' (is that the new War Monger buzz word?) going for 200 years, he would.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/04/mccain-100-years/
Once again you display your lack of knowledge on a subject matter,son. his entire original statement in no way can be stated as a 100 year war. Go back and do your research instead of stating things spewed by NObama.
Son, I've come to the conclusion you know very little about the subject matter . You even admitted as much about not knowing the specifics inn other areas.
You can lecture me once you complete the research and your homework, son.
http:///forum/post/2635351
Yea, after he got caught, he back-peddled and said we could possibly 'occupy' Iraq for 100 years, like the 50 we've been in Korea. Give me a break. If he could keep his 'surge' (is that the new War Monger buzz word?) going for 200 years, he would.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/04/mccain-100-years/
Once again you display your lack of knowledge on a subject matter,son. his entire original statement in no way can be stated as a 100 year war. Go back and do your research instead of stating things spewed by NObama.
Son, I've come to the conclusion you know very little about the subject matter . You even admitted as much about not knowing the specifics inn other areas.
You can lecture me once you complete the research and your homework, son.
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2635913
The president is nothing more than a figure head and a detriment to this country's global affairs.
How?
http:///forum/post/2635913
The president is nothing more than a figure head and a detriment to this country's global affairs.
How?
scubadoo
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2639434
If you still want to chastise me for agreeing with their cause, and still want to label them as terrorists, fine. Why don't we look at the group you seem to so adamately agree with and follow - The Anti-Abortionist. "
Son, once you have completed your homework assignment regarding the Weatherbombers, we can move on to another group.
Feel free to locate other threads on this board for the info regarding the weatherbomebrs. it's all been covered in detail.
You can still have your position, but perhaps after the research is done you can at least sound like you know the subject matter, as opposed to being wreckless with the truth.
Class dismissed
http:///forum/post/2639434
If you still want to chastise me for agreeing with their cause, and still want to label them as terrorists, fine. Why don't we look at the group you seem to so adamately agree with and follow - The Anti-Abortionist. "
Son, once you have completed your homework assignment regarding the Weatherbombers, we can move on to another group.
Feel free to locate other threads on this board for the info regarding the weatherbomebrs. it's all been covered in detail.
You can still have your position, but perhaps after the research is done you can at least sound like you know the subject matter, as opposed to being wreckless with the truth.
Class dismissed
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2641419
was wondering if you thought my comments were ignorant? ....
Which comments? The following I certainly do feel were ignorant:
*Reagan didn't defeat the Soviet Union (Tell that to the 100+million Eastern Europeans now living in Democracies)
*The Bush tax cuts only benefited the rich (blatant lie as everyone received a tax cut as long as you actually were already paying taxes)
*Unvaccinated children are safer than vaccinated ones. (Tell that to the relatives to the millions of children in the world that die or were crippled from diseases like polio)
I'm sure there were more, but frankly at the point where you try to claim the above I seriously doubt we can have any kind of meaningful debate.
http:///forum/post/2641419
was wondering if you thought my comments were ignorant? ....
Which comments? The following I certainly do feel were ignorant:
*Reagan didn't defeat the Soviet Union (Tell that to the 100+million Eastern Europeans now living in Democracies)
*The Bush tax cuts only benefited the rich (blatant lie as everyone received a tax cut as long as you actually were already paying taxes)
*Unvaccinated children are safer than vaccinated ones. (Tell that to the relatives to the millions of children in the world that die or were crippled from diseases like polio)
I'm sure there were more, but frankly at the point where you try to claim the above I seriously doubt we can have any kind of meaningful debate.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2642305
Son, once you have completed your homework assignment regarding the Weatherbombers, we can move on to another group.
Feel free to locate other threads on this board for the info regarding the weatherbomebrs. it's all been covered in detail.
You can still have your position, but perhaps after the research is done you can at least sound like you know the subject matter, as opposed to being wreckless with the truth.
Class dismissed
Why do you keep calling me son? I probably have 10 years on you kiddo. What's with your fixation on the Weatherman Underground? You Republican's haven't found some other dissident radical group to associate to Obama so you can use that in the trash talk dirty politics you so like to use? Is that the only way you think you can win the election? Trust me. There's not one politician out there that doesn't have some kind of dirty laundry, or dirty little secret tucked away in the closet.
Think you need to use more nitrogen during your dives. Think the lack of oxygen is affecting your sense or reality.
http:///forum/post/2642305
Son, once you have completed your homework assignment regarding the Weatherbombers, we can move on to another group.
Feel free to locate other threads on this board for the info regarding the weatherbomebrs. it's all been covered in detail.
You can still have your position, but perhaps after the research is done you can at least sound like you know the subject matter, as opposed to being wreckless with the truth.
Class dismissed
Why do you keep calling me son? I probably have 10 years on you kiddo. What's with your fixation on the Weatherman Underground? You Republican's haven't found some other dissident radical group to associate to Obama so you can use that in the trash talk dirty politics you so like to use? Is that the only way you think you can win the election? Trust me. There's not one politician out there that doesn't have some kind of dirty laundry, or dirty little secret tucked away in the closet.
Think you need to use more nitrogen during your dives. Think the lack of oxygen is affecting your sense or reality.