Obama wins!

[fats71]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2640125
Military? Noooo. I'm was like Bush, hid in college to stay out of that political skirmish in Nam. Expert? Certainly no expert, with the exception that I probably have at least 20 years of world experience on most of the people who post on this site.
So then Mcain would be the better man as he is older than obama...
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2642285
I agree with this 100%.
THe individual defending the Weatherbombers knows very little about the "group", the Ayers/Nobama associations, or even the Woods Foundation.
It's ALL been covered in other threads.
I continue to be amazed the lack of knowledge many NObama supporters have regarding his past, his record, associations and judgement. How quickly it is dismissed...yet amazingly..they claim they need to go back and get the specifics...which they never did have.
THe Weatherbombers were for more than just opposed to the War. How that can be stated as their only objective is laughable and diplays a lack of knowledge regrading the group.
+10
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2642708
Why do you keep calling me son? I probably have 10 years on you kiddo. What's with your fixation on the Weatherman Underground? You Republican's haven't found some other dissident radical group to associate to Obama so you can use that in the trash talk dirty politics you so like to use? Is that the only way you think you can win the election? Trust me. There's not one politician out there that doesn't have some kind of dirty laundry, or dirty little secret tucked away in the closet.
Think you need to use more nitrogen during your dives. Think the lack of oxygen is affecting your sense or reality.
I will call you son kiddo. You are younger than I am so as you stated in your post being older makes you his father so I must be yours...

 

[vinnyraptor]

what does my profession or my age have to do with anything? im a 36 yr old craftsman. i did alot of research on vaccines, autism, and there links. the head of microbiology at mit seems to think there was a direct link between the preservative thimerasol and autism, ask the numerous parents who had a perfectly healthy child after after a few series of vaccines litterally watched there children become ill, some even die. Jenny McCarthy the actress/comedian's child was diagnosed with vaccine poisoning. listen i respect your decision and have two older children who were vaccinated and are fine and normal. all i was saying that after doing the research my wife and i decided it wasn't worth the risk. the pharm. corps are out of control and has the fda in its pocket. call me a hippy or whatever, but people in this country are overmedicated IMO. do me a favor and just do a simple search on how vaccines are made, their cultures, and ingredients, there are chemicals in them that every layman knows is bad for humans. research also shows that they simply dont work during and outbreak or pandemic, so if there filled with harmful chemicals, and your doctor will admit to this, and case studys show that most have a less then 50% effective rate then why take the risk, wether its 1 in a 100 or 1 in a million. some of the vaccines are for diseases that we havent seen in 50 years i.e. polio. this vaccine actually worked and polio is gone, no need for the vaccine anymore execpt maybe for people in your situation. the others are for things a healthy immune system can easily fight off even in high exposure situations and arent life threatening... measles an mumps, if contracted theses diseases can be treated easily. oh and probably the reason only 1 in 3 of those special needs kids was vaccinated is because they were born with weakened immune systems and the docs thought it too big of a risk to immunize when they were that young. they probably waited till they were over 50 lb.s or so. children born with bad immune systems generally arent vaccinated, you know why? because the docs know how much poison is in the vaccines....
Originally Posted by armywife1314
http:///forum/post/2641869
you really want to know how many were vaccinated you'll find this very interesting. 1 out of the 3. they are all vaccinated now, but only recently. my son has been vaccinated and br3ast fed for a year, he has never been sick. he's at the top 90% of his height and weight also. in case you arent aware my son really needs to be vaccinated also because my husband is in the army and gets deployed to those third world countries that have the diseases still everyday. it is SAFER that my son is vaccinated. his pediatrician is foreign and doesnt like to prescibe medicine, however she knows our personal information and i asked her honest opinion if it would be safe to risk and and her answer was no, not unless you think your husband will be in a bubble over there. vaccines are not the root of autism. yes it has went up in the past years but you cant prove anything its all conspiracy theory.
im curious to know, not a personal attack just curiousity what is your profession? and how old are you?

 

[reefraff]

The link between vaccines and autism is flimsey at best.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2643210
what does my profession or my age have to do with anything? im a 36 yr old craftsman. i did alot of research on vaccines, autism, and there links. the head of microbiology at mit seems to think there was a direct link between the preservative thimerasol and autism, ask the numerous parents who had a perfectly healthy child after after a few series of vaccines litterally watched there children become ill, some even die. Jenny McCarthy the actress/comedian's child was diagnosed with vaccine poisoning. listen i respect your decision and have two older children who were vaccinated and are fine and normal. all i was saying that after doing the research my wife and i decided it wasn't worth the risk. the pharm. corps are out of control and has the fda in its pocket. call me a hippy or whatever, but people in this country are overmedicated IMO. do me a favor and just do a simple search on how vaccines are made, their cultures, and ingredients, there are chemicals in them that every layman knows is bad for humans. research also shows that they simply dont work during and outbreak or pandemic, so if there filled with harmful chemicals, and your doctor will admit to this, and case studys show that most have a less then 50% effective rate then why take the risk, wether its 1 in a 100 or 1 in a million. some of the vaccines are for diseases that we havent seen in 50 years i.e. polio. this vaccine actually worked and polio is gone, no need for the vaccine anymore execpt maybe for people in your situation. the others are for things a healthy immune system can easily fight off even in high exposure situations and arent life threatening... measles an mumps, if contracted theses diseases can be treated easily. oh and probably the reason only 1 in 3 of those special needs kids was vaccinated is because they were born with weakened immune systems and the docs thought it too big of a risk to immunize when they were that young. they probably waited till they were over 50 lb.s or so. children born with bad immune systems generally arent vaccinated, you know why? because the docs know how much poison is in the vaccines....
Great because an actor thinks it is true it, must be.

 

[armywife1314]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2643210
what does my profession or my age have to do with anything? im a 36 yr old craftsman. i did alot of research on vaccines, autism, and there links. the head of microbiology at mit seems to think there was a direct link between the preservative thimerasol and autism, ask the numerous parents who had a perfectly healthy child after after a few series of vaccines litterally watched there children become ill, some even die. Jenny McCarthy the actress/comedian's child was diagnosed with vaccine poisoning. listen i respect your decision and have two older children who were vaccinated and are fine and normal. all i was saying that after doing the research my wife and i decided it wasn't worth the risk. the pharm. corps are out of control and has the fda in its pocket. call me a hippy or whatever, but people in this country are overmedicated IMO. do me a favor and just do a simple search on how vaccines are made, their cultures, and ingredients, there are chemicals in them that every layman knows is bad for humans. research also shows that they simply dont work during and outbreak or pandemic, so if there filled with harmful chemicals, and your doctor will admit to this, and case studys show that most have a less then 50% effective rate then why take the risk, wether its 1 in a 100 or 1 in a million. some of the vaccines are for diseases that we havent seen in 50 years i.e. polio. this vaccine actually worked and polio is gone, no need for the vaccine anymore execpt maybe for people in your situation. the others are for things a healthy immune system can easily fight off even in high exposure situations and arent life threatening... measles an mumps, if contracted theses diseases can be treated easily. oh and probably the reason only 1 in 3 of those special needs kids was vaccinated is because they were born with weakened immune systems and the docs thought it too big of a risk to immunize when they were that young. they probably waited till they were over 50 lb.s or so. children born with bad immune systems generally arent vaccinated, you know why? because the docs know how much poison is in the vaccines....
listen just because your older doesnt by any means mean you are WISER your showing all of us different. the reason those kids werent vaccinated was because their parents chose not to let them be, becuase of what they thought. i think kids are overly medicated myself and my son has never had any medication at all. i myslef dont take medication either. and if you want to argue stats on dangerous then i hope you dont drive and i hope you own your own plane becuase its so much safer to fly than to drive.

 

[armywife1314]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2643210
what does my profession or my age have to do with anything? im a 36 yr old craftsman. i did alot of research on vaccines, autism, and there links. the head of microbiology at mit seems to think there was a direct link between the preservative thimerasol and autism, ask the numerous parents who had a perfectly healthy child after after a few series of vaccines litterally watched there children become ill, some even die. Jenny McCarthy the actress/comedian's child was diagnosed with vaccine poisoning. listen i respect your decision and have two older children who were vaccinated and are fine and normal. all i was saying that after doing the research my wife and i decided it wasn't worth the risk. the pharm. corps are out of control and has the fda in its pocket. call me a hippy or whatever, but people in this country are overmedicated IMO. do me a favor and just do a simple search on how vaccines are made, their cultures, and ingredients, there are chemicals in them that every layman knows is bad for humans. research also shows that they simply dont work during and outbreak or pandemic, so if there filled with harmful chemicals, and your doctor will admit to this, and case studys show that most have a less then 50% effective rate then why take the risk, wether its 1 in a 100 or 1 in a million. some of the vaccines are for diseases that we havent seen in 50 years i.e. polio. this vaccine actually worked and polio is gone, no need for the vaccine anymore execpt maybe for people in your situation. the others are for things a healthy immune system can easily fight off even in high exposure situations and arent life threatening... measles an mumps, if contracted theses diseases can be treated easily. oh and probably the reason only 1 in 3 of those special needs kids was vaccinated is because they were born with weakened immune systems and the docs thought it too big of a risk to immunize when they were that young. they probably waited till they were over 50 lb.s or so. children born with bad immune systems generally arent vaccinated, you know why? because the docs know how much poison is in the vaccines....
Directly from the Autism Society of America (no vaccines mentioned)
‘There is no known single cause for autism, but it is generally accepted that it is caused by abnormalities in brain structure or function. Brain scans show differences in the shape and structure of the brain in autistic versus non-autistic children. Researchers are investigating a number of theories, including the link between heredity, genetics and medical problems. In many families, there appears to be a pattern of autism or related disabilities, further supporting a genetic basis to the disorder. While no one gene has been identified as causing autism, researchers are searching for irregular segments of genetic code that autistic children may have inherited. It also appears that some children are born with a susceptibility to autism, but researchers have not yet identified a single “trigger” that causes autism to develop.’

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2642708
Why do you keep calling me son? I probably have 10 years on you kiddo. What's with your fixation on the Weatherman Underground? You Republican's haven't found some other dissident radical group to associate to Obama so you can use that in the trash talk dirty politics you so like to use? Is that the only way you think you can win the election? Trust me. There's not one politician out there that doesn't have some kind of dirty laundry, or dirty little secret tucked away in the closet.
Think you need to use more nitrogen during your dives. Think the lack of oxygen is affecting your sense or reality.
How many known (and admitted) domestic terrorists does it take in your book that a candidate can be closely assoiciated with before they are a questionable candidate? 3? 5? A dozen?
In my book the answer is 1...

 

[sickboy]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2633309
Had he ignored the UN, put a large enough US force on the ground in Saudi, told our Arab "allies" they were either for us or against us, and drove straight into Baghdad in 1990 the Iraqi Democracy would be 18 years now...

I think I remember this happening recently....but I think it led to nothing but a civil war....not democracy.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2643210
... some of the vaccines are for diseases that we havent seen in 50 years i.e. polio. this vaccine actually worked and polio is gone, no need for the vaccine anymore execpt maybe for people in your situation. the others are for things a healthy immune system can easily fight off even in high exposure situations and arent life threatening... measles an mumps, if contracted theses diseases can be treated easily. .....
Do you realize how easy it is for a sick person from a third world to enter the United States and bring diseases, once eradicated, back into circulation?
Vaccinations don't work you say, yet when was the last time we had a pandemic? How can you say they don't work when we've yet to have to test them?
Feel free to post a link to a peer reviewed scientific or medical journal article showing a direct link between immunizations and autism.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2643663
I think I remember this happening recently....but I think it led to nothing but a civil war....not democracy.
Where? (Cause there sure ain't a civil war going on in the country where I'm at...)

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2642708
Think you need to use more nitrogen during your dives. Think the lack of oxygen is affecting your sense or reality.

Wow, someone does not understand Henry's Law and hyperbaric medicine.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2643667
Feel free to post a link to a peer reviewed scientific or medical journal article showing a direct link between immunizations and autism.

They cannot to this date do that. Junk science made the lawyers rich in the silicone implact scare. Then real science did not find a link. No lawyer gave back money.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2640487
just because your a doctor doesn't mean you know anything other than MEDICINE! and for your "grown up" pool this is a FISH site! lol not a political forum. i love the highly educated, they think they know everything, lol. but yet you could even answer one of my questions. are all industrialized democratic nations with universal healthcare socialists? doesn't Russia have abundant natural resources to be nearly self sustainable? Bush's tax cuts mostly benefited the richest 1% and the corporations, then it was a trickle down affect from there. so yes do to your profession you benefited greatly. you payed less income tax and capitial gains tax then you did under the Clintons, right? you assume that Obama will be weak why? because of his social programs.. i know why you dont like him, because he'll affect your bottom line, period. IMO you docs are way overpaid anyways, you dont "cure" anything, haven't in decades. you are mostly mindless drones for the pharm. corps and simply treat symptoms with thier dope. nearly half of the population is on something, wether it be for depression, allergies, ADD, high blood pressure, restless leg syndrome ( what a joke ) etc... the entire population is on something but it doesn't cure it, it just treats the symptom. And most of its side effects are far worse than the symptom of the illness in the first place. basically it's duck tape and glue so you can get your butt to work and pay your health insurance. but you dont care, or you were tricked into thinking the stuff there making actually is good for people. you vaccinate kids with so much poison that nearly 1 in 100 children have some sort of autism. how dare you, the hypocratic oath is a hypocracy! trusting the pharmecudical corps alone shows me you have poor judgement, believing that Reagan was a great man only affirms the fact. dont tell me how smart you are because you went to med. school, its irrelevant in a political debate. and how can you be smarter than Barrack Obama but not smarter then John McCain? he doesn't even know how to use a computer, he cant drive a car, and makes jokes, f'ing jokes about bombing people! he thinks the economy and the war are making progress, just say it, you dont care how poor people live, you dont care about innocent muslims getting bombed, you dont care if Tyesha from the projects has daycare for her son so she can go to school and try and be somebody. you care about your wallet, your cash for your vacations, and your people, thats it! and i bet you consider yourself a good person, possibly a Christian, lmao. what a joke YOU ARE!

ANY tax decrease will tend to favor "rich" tax payers as they pay the lion's share of the tax burden. The recent incentive checks sure did not favor the rich. People who did not pay tax got "rebates" while those who pay the most got nothing. The feds are not there to redistribute the wealth.
So you feel physicians are over-paid. Someone who dedicates their life to others, and spends years of their lives learning and training to save lives should not be rewarded? What are your feelings about sports stars, celebs like Brad and Jen and such. If I'm over paid, then what about these folks?
As to how we heal, there are many people still alive due to my experience, training and education. Every physician can say this. As an emergency physician I make life and death decisions every day. I'm no more or less human, but I am held to a 100% correct rate. Maybe we should expect the same from major league baseball hitters. What do they really give to society in the end?
I actually do care about "Tyesha". In fact I believe strongly in the "give a man a fish" theory. For 60 years Democrat programs have been giving people fish. Now those people are totally dependant on the gov't for their fish, and when the gov't falters ( Katrina) they cannot fend for themselves. So, let's put Tyesha's mom and dad in school and get them educated so they can get a job. If we do this, suddenly Tyesha's mom and dad are working , paying taxes and NO LONGER DEPENDANT ON THE GOV'T. You think the gov't wants to do this?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2643768
I actually do care about "Tyesha". In fact I believe strongly in the "give a man a fish" theory. For 60 years Democrat programs have been giving people fish. Now those people are totally dependant on the gov't for their fish, and when the gov't falters ( Katrina) they cannot fend for themselves. So, let's put Tyesha's mom and dad in school and get them educated so they can get a job. If we do this, suddenly Tyesha's mom and dad are working , paying taxes and NO LONGER DEPENDANT ON THE GOV'T. You think the gov't wants to do this?
(in the voice of the Reverend whitesheetsdemocrat)
Oh no, but tyesha isn't able to take care of themselves. We have to for them. Besides do that and they'll start voting republican.

 

[stdreb27]

so obama goes and said some stupid stuff like.
``These are the folks who are responsible for infecting the economy and helping to create a home-foreclosure crisis -- 2 million people may end up losing their homes,'' Obama said of Countrywide at a March 31 campaign appearance in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Then goes and selects a guy to help him pick his veep who has close ties to countrywide. And Soros.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1gw&refer=home

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2643750
Wow, someone does not understand Henry's Law and hyperbaric medicine.
Don't you have better things to do with your time than overanalyzing every post that gets put on here? Excuse me for YET AGAIN not being specific and researching every single detail. The comment was meant as a jab to his smart aleck viewpoints. Kinda like yours. What's it like to be you?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2643657
How many known (and admitted) domestic terrorists does it take in your book that a candidate can be closely assoiciated with before they are a questionable candidate? 3? 5? A dozen?
In my book the answer is 1...
All it takes is one? Are you saying McCain doesn't have ONE single skeleton in his closet? He has NEVER been associated with someone in that capacity? Man, you sure have some faith in believing that. Maybe it hasn't come to light yet, because the Democrats are trying to run their campaign on REAL issues. You want to keep dwelling on his associations with people that happened decades ago. You think if he gets elected, he's going to start inviting Al-Qaeda operatives to the White House? Please tell me you're not that naive.
How about his McCain's biliionaire wife? Who she associated with? I imagine if McCain gets elected, they'll have beer taps installed into Lincoln's Bedroom.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2643887
Don't you have better things to do with your time than overanalyzing every post that gets put on here? Excuse me for YET AGAIN not being specific and researching every single detail. The comment was meant as a jab to his smart aleck viewpoints. Kinda like yours. What's it like to be you?
once again a personal attack, while ignoring the topic at hand. You're good.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2643768
ANY tax decrease will tend to favor "rich" tax payers as they pay the lion's share of the tax burden. The recent incentive checks sure did not favor the rich. People who did not pay tax got "rebates" while those who pay the most got nothing. The feds are not there to redistribute the wealth.
Where'd you come up with this logic? If someone didn't file a 2007 Income Tax Return, they got no rebate. Period. Direct from IRS:
Q. I received my stimulus payment, but it was less than what my friends and neighbors received. Why?
A. Your economic stimulus payment is based on information provided on your 2007 income tax return.
Many but not all taxpayers qualify for the maximum basic payment of $600 for singles or $1,200 for married couples. Many parents are also receiving an additional $300 for each qualifying child, born after Dec. 31, 1990.
Your payment may be less than the maximum for one or more of the following reasons:
You are single and your net income tax liability is less than $600. If you file Form 1040 net income tax liability is the amount shown on Line 57, plus the amount on Line 52.
You are married and your net income tax liability is less than $1,200.
You are single and your adjusted gross income (AGI) is more than $75,000. On Form 1040, AGI is the amount on Line 37.
You are married filing a joint return and your AGI is more than $150,000.
You owe back taxes that reduced your payment.
You have non-tax federal debts such as unpaid student loans or child-support obligations that reduced your payment.
The stimulus package was just that - a means to stimulate the economy. The "rich" people are currently stashing their wealth and not spending to boost the economy. Bush handed the lower and middle income people a paltry bone to try and give the economy a little kick. It's not working as well as he liked, but it has given some assitance to the people who need the money the most. What's funny is how they capped it at $150K. My wife and I make well over that amount, but we don't consider ourselves rich. But if you put the amount they sent out into perspective, $1200 is nothing to someone who has over $500K in the bank. That probably wouldn't even pay for a dinner for some of these movie stars, sports figures, and other millionaire/billionaires that live in this country.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2643902
once again a personal attack, while ignoring the topic at hand. You're good.

What do you call his comments? A normal response? What exactly is the topic at hand? The original post was talking about how Obama won the Democratic nomination. All the Republican McCain lovers have done nothing but come into this thread and bashed the guy. Whose the one making the personal attacks? You don't like Obama, fine. Don't vote for the guy. You think McCain is gonna be the savior of this country? You voting for the guy for his policies, or are you just one of those Party Line voters - "Don't care what good points Obama has. He's a Democrat. Democrat bad, Republican good." That kind of thinking is what's bringing this country down...