Obama wins!

[stdreb27]

Funny, co-sponsored by 43 senators, or by the not a conservative McCain, Leiberman or Fiengold, yeah, those are some slim pickings. Really reaching across the isle on those bills.

 

[oscardeuce]

LOL, took me 30 seconds to find this...
The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act
Introduced by Sen. John McCain in May 2005, and cosponsored by Sen. Edward Kennedy. Barack Obama added three amendments to this bill.
While the bill was never voted on in the Senate, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Acts of 2006 and 2007, respectively, drew heavily upon the wording of this bill.
The Obama-McCain Climate Change Reduction Bill
The Obama-McCain bill, which is co-sponsored by Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., would cut emissions by two-thirds by 2050.
Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007
Introduced by Obama, this binding act would stop the planned troop increase of 21,500 in Iraq, and would also begin a phased redeployment of troops from Iraq with the goal of removing all combat forces by March 31, 2008.
Explaining the bill, Obama said it reflects his view that the problems in Iraq do not have a military solution. "Our troops have performed brilliantly in Iraq, but no amount of American soldiers can solve the political differences at the heart of somebody else's civil war," Obama said.
Amendments to the 2008 Defense Authorization Bill

Wow he really reached over the line on those.
BTW McCain does not count in crossing the aisle issues.
You do know why they never even brought the McCain-Kennedy Bill up for a vote don't you?

 

[darthtang aw]

Strange of all the legislation posted by Jmaick I only saw two that Obama started and reached across party lines to pass and write with Colburn.......strangely enough these bills had huge support and didn't need to "cross" party lines to get them through. All other bills were started by someone else or involved a democrat helping write it.
So if the bills have the support to begin with.....are you really crossing party lines?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2644333
Can I get a link to these stories?
Look them up. I did...
Here's a couple more. But of course I'm sure you'll state that they came from some Left-Wing blog that has no merit. If so, look up the info they posted. See if it is factual or not. Journey said he wanted just ONE tie. I found several. Particularly like the one about the Mob Boss. We know the Mafia has NEVER done anything illegal, or terroristic for that matter.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/86766/
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/...ird_mccai.html

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2644399
LOL, took me 30 seconds to find this...
So here are just a few highlights from Barack Obama's career as a Senator: specific pieces of legislation, what they meant and how they were passed.
The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act
Introduced by Sen. John McCain in May 2005, and cosponsored by Sen. Edward Kennedy. Barack Obama added three amendments to this bill.
While the bill was never voted on in the Senate, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Acts of 2006 and 2007, respectively, drew heavily upon the wording of this bill.
The Lugar-Obama Cooperative Threat Reduction.
Introduced by Sen. Barack Obama, Sen. ---- Lugar and Sen. Tom Coburn.
First introduced in November 2005 and enacted in 2007, this bill expanded upon the successful Nunn-Lugar threat reduction, which helped secure weapons of mass destruction and related infrastructure in former Soviet Union states.
Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006
This act of Congress, introduced by Senators Obama and Coburn, required the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds in FY2007.
Despite a "secret hold" on this bill by Senators Ted Stevens and Robert Byrd, the act passed into law and was signed by President Bush. The act had 43 cosponsors, including John McCain.
The act created this Web site, which provides citizens with valuable information about government-funded programs.
Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act
This law helped specify US policy toward the Congo, and states that the US should work with other donor nations to increase international contributions to the African nation.
The bill marked the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor. Following this legislation's passage, Obama toured Africa, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. He spoke forcefully against ethnic rivalries and political corruption in Kenya.
Honest Leadership and Open Government Act
In the first month of the 110th Congress, Obama worked with Sen. Russ Feingold to pass this law, which amends and strengthens the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995.
Specificially, the changes made by Obama and Feingold requires public disclosure of lobbying activity and funding, places more restrictions on gifts for members of Congress and their staff, and provides for mandatory disclosure of earmarks in expenditure bills.
The House passed the bill, 411-8, on July 31. The Senate approved it, 83-14, on Aug. 2. At the time, Obama called it "the most sweeping ethics reform since Watergate."
Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act
The bill has been referred to the United States Senate Committee The Obama-McCain Climate Change Reduction Bill
Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007>
Introduced by Obama, this binding act would stop the planned troop increase of 21,500 in Iraq, and would also begin a phased redeployment of troops from Iraq with the goal of removing all combat forces by March 31, 2008.
Amendments to the 2008 Defense Authorization Bill
Obama worked with Sen. Kit Bond to limit, through this bill, the Pentagon’s use of personality disorder discharges in the FY 2008 Defense Authorization bill.
This provision would add additional safeguards to discharge procedures and require a thorough review by the Government Accountability Office. This followed news reports that the Pentagon inappropriately used these procedures to discharge service members with service-connected psychological injuries.
WOW! an Obama supporter FINALLY actually looked up his record

Unfortunatly you included some false information there. He wasn't even a Co Sponsor of the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act You try to credit him with passing.
Immigration didn't pass and Obama had nothing to do with the Bill in the first place. He offered some minor amendments and that was it.
Same play on the climate bill.
Luger did let him co sponsor the bill he and Sam Nunn wrote that had overwhelming bi partisan support so I'll give him that but it was a Luger bill.
So the one bill you can point to (as highlighted above) that Obama was the primary sponsor of that actually passed was the bill that gave away some of our money to the Congo with the only Bill he created from your list
WOW! What a remarkable accomplishment. That explains all the media coverage.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2644428
Look them up. I did...
Here's a couple more. But of course I'm sure you'll state that they came from some Left-Wing blog that has no merit. If so, look up the info they posted. See if it is factual or not. Journey said he wanted just ONE tie. I found several. Particularly like the one about the Mob Boss. We know the Mafia has NEVER done anything illegal, or terroristic for that matter.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/86766/
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/...ird_mccai.html
Yeah Darth, look them up using CREDIBLE sources to get the real story.
Maybe I can find some Obamisms if I check out Rush Limbrger or Sean Insanity's websites

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2644469
Yeah Darth, look them up using CREDIBLE sources to get the real story.
Maybe I can find some Obamisms if I check out Rush Limbrger or Sean Insanity's websites

actually they are probably as biased as CNN or PSMSNBC

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2644469
Yeah Darth, look them up using CREDIBLE sources to get the real story.
Maybe I can find some Obamisms if I check out Rush Limbrger or Sean Insanity's websites

Pretty much the response I would expect. Bring up any substantiated garbage on McCain, and it's obviously untrue. St. John can do no wrong. How about simply labeling him a terrorist? When he flew his little bomber over North Vietnam, how many bombs did he drop on innocent and unsuspecting North Vietnamese? How many thousands of Iraqis did 'W' kill on his first midnight bombing run on Baghdad? Of course, those were in time of war. Well, Al Qaeda considers they are at war with us. So what they did on 9-11 is no different than what McCain and Bush did to their countries. See I can put a spin on things just as you can on Obama. At least he didn't pull the trigger...

 

[jmick]

You guys wanted an answer and I gave you one with a search that took less then 30 seconds and if I took more time I am certain I could come up with many more examples. That said, I am sure each one of you would find a reason to discredit the information.
On a side note, do you guys work --it seems as if you guys are on here 24/7. I have a feeling there are a lot of retirees and unemployed folks on this board or you guys have jobs that don't require much of your time.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2644646
Pretty much the response I would expect. Bring up any substantiated garbage on McCain, and it's obviously untrue. St. John can do no wrong. How about simply labeling him a terrorist? When he flew his little bomber over North Vietnam, how many bombs did he drop on innocent and unsuspecting North Vietnamese? How many thousands of Iraqis did 'W' kill on his first midnight bombing run on Baghdad? Of course, those were in time of war. Well, Al Qaeda considers they are at war with us. So what they did on 9-11 is no different than what McCain and Bush did to their countries. See I can put a spin on things just as you can on Obama. At least he didn't pull the trigger...

no wonder you have no problem with the obamas pastor you think like he does.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2644646
Pretty much the response I would expect. Bring up any substantiated garbage on McCain, and it's obviously untrue. St. John can do no wrong. How about simply labeling him a terrorist? When he flew his little bomber over North Vietnam, how many bombs did he drop on innocent and unsuspecting North Vietnamese? How many thousands of Iraqis did 'W' kill on his first midnight bombing run on Baghdad? Of course, those were in time of war. Well, Al Qaeda considers they are at war with us. So what they did on 9-11 is no different than what McCain and Bush did to their countries. See I can put a spin on things just as you can on Obama. At least he didn't pull the trigger...
Bionic, you need a refresher course in modern history.
Do a bit of reading on WW2. Take special note of cities like Dresden and Berlin regarding aerial bombings.
If we wanted to kill civilians in Viet Nam or Baghdad there wouldn't be a local left in either of the countries. That's the difference between how we wage war and how the enemy does so.
Justifying and equating Al Qaeda's attacks in relation to the miliary actions of our soldiers is beyond absurd. Weren't you the one just a few posts ago that was upset with how our returning soldiers from Vietnam were treated? Now you dare to compare them to terrorists?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2644784
You guys wanted an answer and I gave you one with a search that took less then 30 seconds and if I took more time I am certain I could come up with many more examples. ....

Jmick, in a 30 second Google search I could provide a host of links and articles that aliens exist, the Loch Ness monster roams Scotland, and 9-11 was an inside job.
It takes a few more minutes to weed through the crap to get to the truth. You posted a completely inaccurate list of Obama's accomplishments, then complain when that is pointed out?
The challenge to the Obama supporters still stands; Post a legitimate list of Bills he has written and reached across the aisle to get passed.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2644646
Pretty much the response I would expect. Bring up any substantiated garbage on McCain, and it's obviously untrue. St. John can do no wrong. How about simply labeling him a terrorist? When he flew his little bomber over North Vietnam, how many bombs did he drop on innocent and unsuspecting North Vietnamese? How many thousands of Iraqis did 'W' kill on his first midnight bombing run on Baghdad? Of course, those were in time of war. Well, Al Qaeda considers they are at war with us. So what they did on 9-11 is no different than what McCain and Bush did to their countries. See I can put a spin on things just as you can on Obama. At least he didn't pull the trigger...
Will this post explains your admiration of the work of the weather underground.
If you don't want people to defend McCain post something that is accurate like his work on McCain Feingold, you get no argument from me about that disaster.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2644784
You guys wanted an answer and I gave you one with a search that took less then 30 seconds and if I took more time I am certain I could come up with many more examples. That said, I am sure each one of you would find a reason to discredit the information.
On a side note, do you guys work --it seems as if you guys are on here 24/7. I have a feeling there are a lot of retirees and unemployed folks on this board or you guys have jobs that don't require much of your time.
No work for me, my mission in life is to make sure Obama doesn't get elected

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2644428
Look them up. I did...
Here's a couple more. But of course I'm sure you'll state that they came from some Left-Wing blog that has no merit. If so, look up the info they posted. See if it is factual or not. Journey said he wanted just ONE tie. I found several. Particularly like the one about the Mob Boss. We know the Mafia has NEVER done anything illegal, or terroristic for that matter.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/86766/
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/...ird_mccai.html
See, your attitude automatically discredits anything you say. I honestly asked for a link so I could READ THE FULL STORY and delve into it more than what you posted. To be honest I don't much care anymore after checking into the first link you posted in this post. See I read a story then I research on my own. You may want to actually do some research on Randa Fahmy Hudome and learn what she REALLY does and has done before you start spreading the word of a blogger that doesn't even cite credible sources..
But you go on and stay informed the way you do.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2644991
No work for me, my mission in life is to make sure Obama doesn't get elected

You should do some traveling on behave of your work...ever think about taking it to the south side of Chicago

 

[vinnyraptor]

vaccines have been tested in other countries DURING pandemics and they did little or nothing to stop the spread, those injected with the vaccines still got the disease. and the vaccines given were they same ones the use in this country. why is it when someone doesn't agree with the populus they're insulted! tons of independant research lends to the idea that vaccines cause autism and a myriad of other illnesses.
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2643667
Do you realize how easy it is for a sick person from a third world to enter the United States and bring diseases, once eradicated, back into circulation?
Vaccinations don't work you say, yet when was the last time we had a pandemic? How can you say they don't work when we've yet to have to test them?
Feel free to post a link to a peer reviewed scientific or medical journal article showing a direct link between immunizations and autism.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2645077
vaccines have been tested in other countries DURING pandemics and they did little or nothing to stop the spread, those injected with the vaccines still got the disease. and the vaccines given were they same ones the use in this country. why is it when someone doesn't agree with the populus they're insulted! tons of independant research lends to the idea that vaccines cause autism and a myriad of other illnesses.
Maybe because while you were proposing this somewhat conspiratorial theory, you were insulting everyone you were speaking to. That is a wonderful way to get whatever point you may have valid or invalid, disregarded.

 

[rylan1]

Our children are given like 30 vaccines or something like that...most before the age of 2, which many feel is too young... These vaccines have increased in recent years to the level we see today.... there is some coorelation b/w the rise in vaccines to the rise in autism... Autism has increase by something sick...like 400% or something like that... Don't quoute me on actual statistics because I am going off memory based on some articles I've read... Vaccines are definetely a $ maker for doctors and pharmeceutical companies... I wonder if other nations have the same "pandemic" of autism as we do in the U.S? With 1 out every 100 having this disorder/diesease it is something we have to look at.

 

[rylan1]

I've also heard of ties to a Mob Boss that was at a political fundraiser at McCain's house..I believe this was in the 80's...
Other questionable things such as loans made his wife to the campaign, which were supposed to be paid back and never where because it was against the rules...