Obama wins!

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2645075
You should do some traveling on behave of your work...ever think about taking it to the south side of Chicago

Have to make a quick stop at the bullet store first. Got enough guns, planty of guns but NEVER enough bullets

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2645077
vaccines have been tested in other countries DURING pandemics and they did little or nothing to stop the spread, those injected with the vaccines still got the disease. and the vaccines given were they same ones the use in this country. why is it when someone doesn't agree with the populus they're insulted! tons of independant research lends to the idea that vaccines cause autism and a myriad of other illnesses.
Why is it Measles, TB Polio etc. have been virtually eliminated in this country?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2645166
I've also heard of ties to a Mob Boss that was at a political fundraiser at McCain's house..I believe this was in the 80's...
Other questionable things such as loans made his wife to the campaign, which were supposed to be paid back and never where because it was against the rules...
Got a link to either of the stories?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2645077
vaccines have been tested in other countries DURING pandemics and they did little or nothing to stop the spread, those injected with the vaccines still got the disease. and the vaccines given were they same ones the use in this country. why is it when someone doesn't agree with the populus they're insulted! tons of independant research lends to the idea that vaccines cause autism and a myriad of other illnesses.
Again I ask; Please post a link to a peer reviewed article in a medical or scientific journal backing up your claims.

 

[vinnyraptor]

its wasn't my intention to insult anyone other than that doctor who claimed he knew more about the constitution than Obama. because he has a degree in medicine, i countered with thats like me saying i know more about being a prisoner than McCain because i did a weekend in jail in my youth. my best friend has a newborn and is getting him vaccinated, to each his own, i respect his and his wifes decision and they respect ours. the last thing i want to do is alienate myself here, because i need good advise for my tank, lol. Autism has rose 700% in this country, something is causing it. i and many others including congressman, doctors, and medical researchers have testified to congress that the preservative thimerasol has terrible effects on young children including autism and death. look it up for yourself.
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2645143
Maybe because while you were proposing this somewhat conspiratorial theory, you were insulting everyone you were speaking to. That is a wonderful way to get whatever point you may have valid or invalid, disregarded.

 

[1journeyman]

Vinny, as long as you are polite you will always receive good advice. Opinions in the aquarium don't bias folks against trying to help someone keep a successful tank.

 

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2645301
its wasn't my intention to insult anyone other than that doctor who claimed he knew more about the constitution than Obama. because he has a degree in medicine, i countered with thats like me saying i know more about being a prisoner than McCain because i did a weekend in jail in my youth. my best friend has a newborn and is getting him vaccinated, to each his own, i respect his and his wifes decision and they respect ours. the last thing i want to do is alienate myself here, because i need good advise for my tank, lol. Autism has rose 700% in this country, something is causing it. i and many others including congressman, doctors, and medical researchers have testified to congress that the preservative thimerasol has terrible effects on young children including autism and death. look it up for yourself.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2645232
Got a link to either of the stories?
Why do you want us to provide you the links? Too lazy to look it up yourself? All I did is do a search on the names. I also did searches like 'MCain and terrorist link', 'McCain and mob boss' 'mccain and mafia'. You think because it doesn't come from somewhere like CNN, Washington Post, etc., the information is made up. The people that have posted the information spent some time doing the research. Some even have links that point to the documentation where they did their research.
Want some real dirt on McCain? Just go back to the 2000 Presidential election. See what 'W''s camp dug up on McCain when he was running against him in the Republican Primary that year. There's all kinds of goodies about McCain and his ties to the mob, because of his association with his father-in-law.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2645077
! tons of independant research lends to the idea that vaccines cause autism and a myriad of other illnesses.

OK, give me a link to a double blind placebo controlled study in a peer reviewed publication.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2645012
See, your attitude automatically discredits anything you say. I honestly asked for a link so I could READ THE FULL STORY and delve into it more than what you posted. To be honest I don't much care anymore after checking into the first link you posted in this post. See I read a story then I research on my own. You may want to actually do some research on Randa Fahmy Hudome and learn what she REALLY does and has done before you start spreading the word of a blogger that doesn't even cite credible sources..
But you go on and stay informed the way you do.
You just validated my 'attitude'. You automatically downplayed the information because it didn't come from a source YOU rely on. Did you research these:
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...3/b4006070.htm
excerpt:
In 2004 the country (Libya) began shopping for Washington hands. Former Senator Bob Dole (R-Kan.) and Greenberg Traurig, Jack Abramoff's former firm, vied for the work. The country opted for operatives with low profiles but deep connections in Washington's Arab circles.
One of the first hired was Fahmy Hudome International, founded by Randa Fahmy Hudome, a well-connected Arab American Republican and a former Associate Deputy Secretary of Energy in the second Bush Administration. Fahmy Hudome says she played a role in efforts to remove Libya from the U.S. terrorist list. Justice Dept. records show that in the past year she has also met on Libya's behalf with staff on the Senate Foreign Relations and House International Relations committees.
Fahmy Hudome subcontracted some lobbying work to JAS International, run by Jill A. Schuker, a former director of communications at the National Security Council during the Clinton years.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/55097

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2645364
OK, give me a link to a double blind placebo controlled study in a peer reviewed publication.
Come on oscardeuce, you're the physician. You probably have access to all sorts of medical sites vinny can't even get into. You throwing out some medical research term just to make your point. Take time between patients, and find it for us. Who knows if any research firm has ever performed a double blind placebo study on thimerasol. If not, you won't find anything.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2645370
Come on oscardeuce, you're the physician. You probably have access to all sorts of medical sites vinny can't even get into. You throwing out some medical research term just to make your point. Take time between patients, and find it for us. Who knows if any research firm has ever performed a double blind placebo study on thimerasol. If not, you won't find anything.
No, I want Vinny to learn you need to read every study with an open mind. You have to look at the structure of the study, where and how it was done, and how they came to heir conclusion. Silicone implants is the classic, poor science lead to rich lawyers. Now, the same may be happening. I have not seen good science linking immunizations to autism. If I do I will be the first to tell you, but until then the benefits of immunization well outweigh the risks.

 

[fats71]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2645160
Our children are given like 30 vaccines or something like that...most before the age of 2, which many feel is too young... These vaccines have increased in recent years to the level we see today.... there is some coorelation b/w the rise in vaccines to the rise in autism... Autism has increase by something sick...like 400% or something like that... Don't quoute me on actual statistics because I am going off memory based on some articles I've read... Vaccines are definetely a $ maker for doctors and pharmeceutical companies... I wonder if other nations have the same "pandemic" of autism as we do in the U.S? With 1 out every 100 having this disorder/diesease it is something we have to look at.

For the people who are not into vaccines make a pass thru a thirls world country and lemme know how the kids with 3 feet would have liked a vaccine..
Mexico is where I just moved from and let me tell you they would give you their right arm for them....

 

[armywife1314]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2645077
vaccines have been tested in other countries DURING pandemics and they did little or nothing to stop the spread, those injected with the vaccines still got the disease. and the vaccines given were they same ones the use in this country. why is it when someone doesn't agree with the populus they're insulted! tons of independant research lends to the idea that vaccines cause autism and a myriad of other illnesses.
their immune systems are already too weak to combat the disease of course they're going to get it. there are no studies that say that autism is caused by vaccines there are theorys, until it is proved it is nothing more than that.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2645366
You just validated my 'attitude'. You automatically downplayed the information because it didn't come from a source YOU rely on. Did you research these:
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...3/b4006070.htm
excerpt:
In 2004 the country (Libya) began shopping for Washington hands. Former Senator Bob Dole (R-Kan.) and Greenberg Traurig, Jack Abramoff's former firm, vied for the work. The country opted for operatives with low profiles but deep connections in Washington's Arab circles.
One of the first hired was Fahmy Hudome International, founded by Randa Fahmy Hudome, a well-connected Arab American Republican and a former Associate Deputy Secretary of Energy in the second Bush Administration. Fahmy Hudome says she played a role in efforts to remove Libya from the U.S. terrorist list. Justice Dept. records show that in the past year she has also met on Libya's behalf with staff on the Senate Foreign Relations and House International Relations committees.
Fahmy Hudome subcontracted some lobbying work to JAS International, run by Jill A. Schuker, a former director of communications at the National Security Council during the Clinton years.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/55097

I'm not sure what the issue is here? Are you whining because someone lobbied to remove lybia from the terror watch list?

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2645366
You just validated my 'attitude'. You automatically downplayed the information because it didn't come from a source YOU rely on. Did you research these:
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...3/b4006070.htm
excerpt:
In 2004 the country (Libya) began shopping for Washington hands. Former Senator Bob Dole (R-Kan.) and Greenberg Traurig, Jack Abramoff's former firm, vied for the work. The country opted for operatives with low profiles but deep connections in Washington's Arab circles.
One of the first hired was Fahmy Hudome International, founded by Randa Fahmy Hudome, a well-connected Arab American Republican and a former Associate Deputy Secretary of Energy in the second Bush Administration. Fahmy Hudome says she played a role in efforts to remove Libya from the U.S. terrorist list. Justice Dept. records show that in the past year she has also met on Libya's behalf with staff on the Senate Foreign Relations and House International Relations committees.
Fahmy Hudome subcontracted some lobbying work to JAS International, run by Jill A. Schuker, a former director of communications at the National Security Council during the Clinton years.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/55097
actually no. I researched her career and what she did. You treat her getting libya off the terrorist watch list as a bad thing and a bad move. She only did this AFTER they abandoned nuclear and WMD proliferation, their government no longer supports terrorists and Libya's Government is paying huge sums of money to the survivors of those killed by their sponsored terrorist action.
Yeah, this lady is truly evil.........

 

[stdreb27]

Democrats have to hide information to get their points across.
25 year old children and now forgetting to add that the lybians abandoned their wmd programs....
I still can't believe someone is intellectually so dishonest that they use McCains vote against the schip bill (which raised the age of qualified participants from 18 to 25) as a "vote against our children." The program still exists, and still covers children. And poor americans.

 

[ironeagle2006]

Take it from someone that lives IN OBAMA land. The only reason he has the record he does is King Emil Jones the State Senate President forced everyone off the bills to give them to Obama when he was a State Senator. Also Obama only won office when he forced every other candiates petitions to be decertified by let us say less that honorable means. He also was the one that had the Jeri Ryan stuff leaked to keep her now ex husband from wiping the floor with him when he was running for Senate 2 years ago. His campaign tricks make Mr Roves' in 2004 look like Mr Rove was a virgin in a cathouse compared to what Obama will and has done in the past to win.

 

[vinnyraptor]

what about Vioxx this was drug deemed safe by the FDA , the pharm. corp. and presrcibed freely by thousands of doctors... later recalled because it was killing people. this is just one example of thousands, where doctors, the FDA, and the pharms. declared something safe and effective and only until people started having horrible side effects including death and the greedy lawyers saw an opportunity to make $$$ was the drug pulled. now imagine if it could be proved that vaccines caused thousands of children to become autistic or permanently damaged or dead. the pharm corps will go bankrupt from the lawsuits, and the fda would be shut down. i need/we need to find the congressional hearing on this matter from about 5 years ago, those who testified had nothing to gain and they were elite medical researchers, guys from MIT and the like. maybe its on youtube i'll check, but it was something like 2 to 4 hours long. i happened upon it and that started my interest in this topic, as we just had our son. the facts are that the doctors get there info from the FDA and the drugs manufacturer, they believe that data and take most others research lightly. im not going to get into the kickbacks they get from the pharms for pushing their products... oh and Doc you really have a complex, "you need to teach Vinny something" and "you know more about the constitution than Obama bacause you hace a better education than him" wow!!!
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2645375
No, I want Vinny to learn you need to read every study with an open mind. You have to look at the structure of the study, where and how it was done, and how they came to heir conclusion. Silicone implants is the classic, poor science lead to rich lawyers. Now, the same may be happening. I have not seen good science linking immunizations to autism. If I do I will be the first to tell you, but until then the benefits of immunization well outweigh the risks.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2645351
Why do you want us to provide you the links? Too lazy to look it up yourself? All I did is do a search on the names. I also did searches like 'MCain and terrorist link', 'McCain and mob boss' 'mccain and mafia'. You think because it doesn't come from somewhere like CNN, Washington Post, etc., the information is made up. The people that have posted the information spent some time doing the research. Some even have links that point to the documentation where they did their research.
Want some real dirt on McCain? Just go back to the 2000 Presidential election. See what 'W''s camp dug up on McCain when he was running against him in the Republican Primary that year. There's all kinds of goodies about McCain and his ties to the mob, because of his association with his father-in-law.
I asked for a link because I knew the stories were BS. There's a reason why credible news organizations don't report it, it was a complete fabrication.