Obama wins!

1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2643893
All it takes is one? Are you saying McCain doesn't have ONE single skeleton in his closet? He has NEVER been associated with someone in that capacity? Man, you sure have some faith in believing that. Maybe it hasn't come to light yet, because the Democrats are trying to run their campaign on REAL issues. You want to keep dwelling on his associations with people that happened decades ago. You think if he gets elected, he's going to start inviting Al-Qaeda operatives to the White House? Please tell me you're not that naive.
How about his McCain's biliionaire wife? Who she associated with? I imagine if McCain gets elected, they'll have beer taps installed into Lincoln's Bedroom.

Obama served with Ayers this decade, not decades ago. Ayers still, to this day, is unrepentent.
Please post the name of a single admitted domestic terrorist (or foreign) that McCain has gone to their house, celebrated the holidays with, and served on a board with while doing speaking tours... Please name one.
Al qaeda operatives to the White House? Probably not. Will he be sympathetic towards Hamas, Hezbollah and the Palestinians? Quite possibly (considering his remarks regarding Israel). Will he address the threat global terrorism and Iran are today. Certainly not. Will he weaken our Constitution, military, health care system, and industry? Again most certainly.
What issues are the Democrats running on besides socialism, isolationism and retreat (all tried and failed policies).
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2643929
What do you call his comments? A normal response? What exactly is the topic at hand? The original post was talking about how Obama won the Democratic nomination. All the Republican McCain lovers have done nothing but come into this thread and bashed the guy. Whose the one making the personal attacks? You don't like Obama, fine. Don't vote for the guy. You think McCain is gonna be the savior of this country? You voting for the guy for his policies, or are you just one of those Party Line voters - "Don't care what good points Obama has. He's a Democrat. Democrat bad, Republican good." That kind of thinking is what's bringing this country down...
Most of us around here on this thread are voting against Obama, not for McCain. McCain is too much a Rhino for a lot of our tastes.
Still, better a Rhino than the alternative.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2643985
Most of us around here on this thread are voting against Obama, not for McCain. McCain is too much a Rhino for a lot of our tastes.
Still, better a Rhino than the alternative.
I wouldn't go as far as saying most. Mainly a selective few. Pretty sad you'll vote for someone even if you don't like the guy. Why vote at all? If your guy is a Rhino, why'd you pick him? Must be some slim pickings in the Republican Party if McCain is all you have. And the rest of us are supposed to go along with it simply because you think Obama MAY affiliate himself with a group? Give me a break. You want McCain so it'll lengthen that useless war you seem to love so much. Our military is already weak, AT HOME. You afraid terrorist will come knocking on your door? They can do that right now if they wanted to. You just stated how easy it is for someone to bring an infectious disease into this country. You think a terrorist couldn't come in the same way? They're probably walking across the Canadian border as we speak. Like I told you earlier. You have no opinion if you ask me. You don't even want to live in this country anymore, Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oy! Oy! Oy!
Fine. Start another thread called "Why we love McCain" and stay out of this one.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2644090
I wouldn't go as far as saying most. Mainly a selective few. Pretty sad you'll vote for someone even if you don't like the guy. Why vote at all? If your guy is a Rhino, why'd you pick him? Must be some slim pickings in the Republican Party if McCain is all you have. And the rest of us are supposed to go along with it simply because you think Obama MAY affiliate himself with a group? Give me a break. You want McCain so it'll lengthen that useless war you seem to love so much. Our military is already weak, AT HOME. You afraid terrorist will come knocking on your door? They can do that right now if they wanted to. You just stated how easy it is for someone to bring an infectious disease into this country. You think a terrorist couldn't come in the same way? They're probably walking across the Canadian border as we speak. Like I told you earlier. You have no opinion if you ask me. You don't even want to live in this country anymore, Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oy! Oy! Oy!
Fine. Start another thread called "Why we love McCain" and stay out of this one.
lol, our military is weak?
There were numerous attacks while the previous administration was in office since Bush went and took liberated Iraq, outside of Iraq and Afganistan there have been no attacks on US interests. Something is up.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2643893
All it takes is one? Are you saying McCain doesn't have ONE single skeleton in his closet? He has NEVER been associated with someone in that capacity? Man, you sure have some faith in believing that. Maybe it hasn't come to light yet, because the Democrats are trying to run their campaign on REAL issues. You want to keep dwelling on his associations with people that happened decades ago. You think if he gets elected, he's going to start inviting Al-Qaeda operatives to the White House? Please tell me you're not that naive.
How about his McCain's biliionaire wife? Who she associated with? I imagine if McCain gets elected, they'll have beer taps installed into Lincoln's Bedroom.

Let's see
Obama attends racist anti-American church for 20 years. Calls People like J. Wright, Michael Pfleger and James meek his moral and spiritual advisors, calls known terrorist a friend. His wife publically says she hasn't been proud of America until her husband took the lead in the Democrat primary. Obama made a HUGE deal over the flag pin (which he is now wearing) when it really wasn't neccessary.
None of that troubles you?
Just hanging with Ayers or just hanging with Wright or Pfleger or Meek may not mean much but when you consider it all it paints a troubling picture.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2644090
I wouldn't go as far as saying most. Mainly a selective few. Pretty sad you'll vote for someone even if you don't like the guy. Why vote at all? If your guy is a Rhino, why'd you pick him? Must be some slim pickings in the Republican Party if McCain is all you have. And the rest of us are supposed to go along with it simply because you think Obama MAY affiliate himself with a group? Give me a break. You want McCain so it'll lengthen that useless war you seem to love so much. Our military is already weak, AT HOME. You afraid terrorist will come knocking on your door? They can do that right now if they wanted to. You just stated how easy it is for someone to bring an infectious disease into this country. You think a terrorist couldn't come in the same way? They're probably walking across the Canadian border as we speak. Like I told you earlier. You have no opinion if you ask me. You don't even want to live in this country anymore, Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oy! Oy! Oy!
Fine. Start another thread called "Why we love McCain" and stay out of this one.

Most, as in most of the Conservatives who post here.
As I said, McCain is the much less evil of the two options. That's while i'll be voting for him.
I didn't pick him, I actually voted in the Democratic primary
That said, many of us do believe we had slim pickings this year. Of course, the Democratic choices were far worse.
Feel free to read up on Ayers and the Weather Underground. You yourself admitted to needing to do that. Obama is definitely affiliated with them. No way to dodge that fact.
I don't believe it is a useless war.
We're fighting terrorists in the Middle East instead of in New York. We've lost 4,000 soldiers in 5 years of fighting. on 9-11 we lost 3,000 Americans in 2 hours. Since 9-11 we haven't had a single attacke on American soil. Why is that? did the terrorists decide they didn't hate us anymore? did they lose their map and can't find the USA anymore?
Here's an interesting read from the UN: "..part of the decline was due to tactical successes in the “war on terror” -- sanctuary denied, leaders killed and networks disrupted -– but mostly because Islamist terrorist organizations had “shot themselves in the foot”. Al-Qaida in Iraq, for instance, had angered even Sunni Iraqis by its indiscriminate violence against civilians, and some recent polls showed that “100 per cent” of Iraqis thought the attacks were unacceptable. Just 1 per cent of Afghans felt strong support for the Taliban, and in north-west Pakistan, Osama bin Laden’s popularity had dropped from 70 per cent in 2007 to just 4 per cent in 2008, he said. That could lead to the conclusion that, as terrorism went up, support went down. http://www.un.org/News/briefings/doc...rorism.doc.htm
Doesn't sound useless to me.

Wanting to work, in the mission field, certainly does not remove my opinion, nor my citizenship. An act of treason, such as domestic terrorism, however, could result in getting your citizenship removed. Only one of the two of us on this thread has posted that they wished they had taken part in that....
This is a public forum. As long as posts are respectful, follow the guidelines, and are appropriate they will be allowed. This forum will not become a political pep rally for any candidate. Posters are free to express their opinions. As this thread's topic was obama winning, and we are discussing Obama, it falls within the realm of appropriate.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2644090
I wouldn't go as far as saying most. Mainly a selective few. Pretty sad you'll vote for someone even if you don't like the guy. Why vote at all? If your guy is a Rhino, why'd you pick him? Must be some slim pickings in the Republican Party if McCain is all you have. And the rest of us are supposed to go along with it simply because you think Obama MAY affiliate himself with a group? Give me a break. You want McCain so it'll lengthen that useless war you seem to love so much. Our military is already weak, AT HOME. You afraid terrorist will come knocking on your door? They can do that right now if they wanted to. You just stated how easy it is for someone to bring an infectious disease into this country. You think a terrorist couldn't come in the same way? They're probably walking across the Canadian border as we speak. Like I told you earlier. You have no opinion if you ask me. You don't even want to live in this country anymore, Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oy! Oy! Oy!
Fine. Start another thread called "Why we love McCain" and stay out of this one.

Weak military, right skippy.
Our military is so weak our soldiers are put at additional risk to attempt to minimize civillian casulties. Our military is so weak that in their off time in Iraq they help build schools and clinics etc. Our minitary is so weak that despite being stretched thin (very thin according to your fellow left wingers in the mass media) that no other country has made a move on US interests anywhere in the world. Yeah, our military is weak.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2643980
Obama served with Ayers this decade, not decades ago. Ayers still, to this day, is unrepentent.
Please post the name of a single admitted domestic terrorist (or foreign) that McCain has gone to their house, celebrated the holidays with, and served on a board with while doing speaking tours... Please name one.
Al qaeda operatives to the White House? Probably not. Will he be sympathetic towards Hamas, Hezbollah and the Palestinians? Quite possibly (considering his remarks regarding Israel). Will he address the threat global terrorism and Iran are today. Certainly not. Will he weaken our Constitution, military, health care system, and industry? Again most certainly.
What issues are the Democrats running on besides socialism, isolationism and retreat (all tried and failed policies).

McCain's top fundraiser and "consigliere", Tom Loeffler, has received approximately $15 million from the government of Saudi Arabia since 2003, including $3.5 million since he started working for McCain. His firm, the Loeffler Group, has helped the Saudis arrange meetings with administration and congressional officials which involve the Saudis lying their faces off and trying to convince people that their citizens are no longer the world's top financiers of Sunni terror groups and the Taliban
In 2001, McCain founded the Alexandria, Va.-based Reform Institute as a vehicle to receive funding from George Soros' Open Society Institute and Teresa Heinz Kerry's Tides Foundation and several other prominent non-profit organizations.
McCain used the institute to promote his political agenda and provide compensation to key campaign operatives between elections.
In 2006, the Arizona senator was forced to sever his formal ties with the Reform Institute after a controversial $200,000 contribution from Cablevision came to light. McCain solicited the donation for the Reform Institute using his membership on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. In a letter to the Federal Communications Commission, he supported Cablevision's push to introduce the more profitable al la carte pricing, rather than packages of TV programming.
In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona
Sen. John McCain has asserted his opposition to Russian President Vladimir Putin a number of times, going so far as joining with Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., in 2005 to introduce legislation calling on President Bush to suspend Russia's membership in the Group of Eight.
That opposition, however, is being called into question by links that have been established in various reports between McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, and Ukrainian billionaire Oleg Deripaska, who is suspected of having ties to organized Russian crime.
I haven't even begun to dig into his father-in-law Jim Hensley, Mr. Budweiser Beer Distributor Billionaire. I can just imagine what kind of shady characters that guy hangs out with. You don't think he won't have a key to the front door of the White House ? Now that's scary...
 
armywife1314

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i would have to say though, here at the largest military base in america, there arent as many soldiers as you would think. and what is really bad there are people that are well and able to be deployed yet go their entire career with no deployments. not to mention that there is supposed to be the rule that when your deployed for 15 months you have to be undeployed for 12 months, not true. a guy that deployed with my husband had just got back from afghanistan 3 months before he deployed to iraq, and im not talking about special forces either. the military is becoming too relaxed, letting --- offenders in, felons etc. and promoting the ones that are in trouble. i hope whatever president we have at least changes the standards to respectable ones, and when they make rules follow them.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2643929
- "Don't care what good points Obama has. He's a Democrat. Democrat bad, Republican good." That kind of thinking is what's bringing this country down...

Obama's a Socialist in Democrat clothing, real democrats must be spinning in their graves.
Socialism is bad for this country.
I agree with Washington, the party system is bad. Read Washington's Farewell Address, pretty good for an evil white guy.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2644119
Most, as in most of the Conservatives who post here.
As I said, McCain is the much less evil of the two options. That's while i'll be voting for him.
I didn't pick him, I actually voted in the Democratic primary
That said, many of us do believe we had slim pickings this year. Of course, the Democratic choices were far worse.
Feel free to read up on Ayers and the Weather Underground. You yourself admitted to needing to do that. Obama is definitely affiliated with them. No way to dodge that fact.
I don't believe it is a useless war.
We're fighting terrorists in the Middle East instead of in New York. We've lost 4,000 soldiers in 5 years of fighting. on 9-11 we lost 3,000 Americans in 2 hours. Since 9-11 we haven't had a single attacke on American soil. Why is that? did the terrorists decide they didn't hate us anymore? did they lose their map and can't find the USA anymore?
Here's an interesting read from the UN: "..part of the decline was due to tactical successes in the “war on terror” -- sanctuary denied, leaders killed and networks disrupted -– but mostly because Islamist terrorist organizations had “shot themselves in the foot”. Al-Qaida in Iraq, for instance, had angered even Sunni Iraqis by its indiscriminate violence against civilians, and some recent polls showed that “100 per cent” of Iraqis thought the attacks were unacceptable. Just 1 per cent of Afghans felt strong support for the Taliban, and in north-west Pakistan, Osama bin Laden’s popularity had dropped from 70 per cent in 2007 to just 4 per cent in 2008, he said. That could lead to the conclusion that, as terrorism went up, support went down. http://www.un.org/News/briefings/doc...rorism.doc.htm
Doesn't sound useless to me.

Wanting to work, in the mission field, certainly does not remove my opinion, nor my citizenship. An act of treason, such as domestic terrorism, however, could result in getting your citizenship removed. Only one of the two of us on this thread has posted that they wished they had taken part in that....
This is a public forum. As long as posts are respectful, follow the guidelines, and are appropriate they will be allowed. This forum will not become a political pep rally for any candidate. Posters are free to express their opinions. As this thread's topic was obama winning, and we are discussing Obama, it falls within the realm of appropriate.
"Wanting to work, in the mission field, certainly does not remove my opinion, nor my citizenship. An act of treason, such as domestic terrorism, however, could result in getting your citizenship removed. Only one of the two of us on this thread has posted that they wished they had taken part in that...."
So if that were the case, how is Obama even able to run for president, and why isn't everyone that was ever affiliated with this group no longer a US citizen, or even in jail for that matter?
Journey, you're dillusional if you think just because no attacks have occurred in the last 7 years, that they will be the last. Whatever you think we're doing or accomplishing over in Iraq is not going to stop that.
"This forum will not become a political pep rally for any candidate."
Now that's a good one. What have you and your other McCain cronies been doing in this thread for the last two weeks? This thread has been nothing but a political debate. Try again...
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2644136
...Journey, you're dillusional if you think just because no attacks have occurred in the last 7 years, that they will be the last. Whatever you think we're doing or accomplishing over in Iraq is not going to stop that.
"This forum will not become a political pep rally for any candidate."
Now that's a good one. What have you and your other McCain cronies been doing in this thread for the last two weeks? This thread has been nothing but a political debate. Try again...
I nevr said we're never going to be attacked again. I believe just the opposite. I believe there are terrorist networks in the world that want to attack us. To me, that's what is so important about fghting, and killing them, over here without allowing them to establish a base to operate and train from.
Obama publically stated he would reserve the right to send troops back to Iraq if Al Qaeda tried to establish a base here. Explain how the heck that makes any sense at all?
Public pep rally implies a one sided "love fest" with no voice of dissent. That is what will not be allowed. As I said, this forum is open to opposing views.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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I am still waiting for an Obama supporter to point out a single piece of bipartisan legislation that shows he can be the great uniter he claims to be.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2644128
McCain's top fundraiser and "consigliere", Tom Loeffler, has received approximately $15 million from the government of Saudi Arabia since 2003, including $3.5 million since he started working for McCain. His firm, the Loeffler Group, has helped the Saudis arrange meetings with administration and congressional officials which involve the Saudis lying their faces off and trying to convince people that their citizens are no longer the world's top financiers of Sunni terror groups and the Taliban
In 2001, McCain founded the Alexandria, Va.-based Reform Institute as a vehicle to receive funding from George Soros' Open Society Institute and Teresa Heinz Kerry's Tides Foundation and several other prominent non-profit organizations.
McCain used the institute to promote his political agenda and provide compensation to key campaign operatives between elections.
In 2006, the Arizona senator was forced to sever his formal ties with the Reform Institute after a controversial $200,000 contribution from Cablevision came to light. McCain solicited the donation for the Reform Institute using his membership on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. In a letter to the Federal Communications Commission, he supported Cablevision's push to introduce the more profitable al la carte pricing, rather than packages of TV programming.
In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona
Sen. John McCain has asserted his opposition to Russian President Vladimir Putin a number of times, going so far as joining with Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., in 2005 to introduce legislation calling on President Bush to suspend Russia's membership in the Group of Eight.
That opposition, however, is being called into question by links that have been established in various reports between McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, and Ukrainian billionaire Oleg Deripaska, who is suspected of having ties to organized Russian crime.
I haven't even begun to dig into his father-in-law Jim Hensley, Mr. Budweiser Beer Distributor Billionaire. I can just imagine what kind of shady characters that guy hangs out with. You don't think he won't have a key to the front door of the White House ? Now that's scary...

Can I get a link to these stories?
 
stdreb27

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help me understand this, but my observation is (minus a couple here and there) that typically when you ask a liberal to support his argument they dissapear or just change the subject. Ask a conservative and you get oscarduce...

If you believe it how come you can't tell me why. I can...
 
jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2644329
I am still waiting for an Obama supporter to point out a single piece of bipartisan legislation that shows he can be the great uniter he claims to be.
LOL, took me 30 seconds to find this...
So here are just a few highlights from Barack Obama's career as a Senator: specific pieces of legislation, what they meant and how they were passed.
The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act
Introduced by Sen. John McCain in May 2005, and cosponsored by Sen. Edward Kennedy. Barack Obama added three amendments to this bill.
While the bill was never voted on in the Senate, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Acts of 2006 and 2007, respectively, drew heavily upon the wording of this bill.
The Lugar-Obama Cooperative Threat Reduction.
Introduced by Sen. Barack Obama, Sen. ---- Lugar and Sen. Tom Coburn.
First introduced in November 2005 and enacted in 2007, this bill expanded upon the successful Nunn-Lugar threat reduction, which helped secure weapons of mass destruction and related infrastructure in former Soviet Union states.
Lugar-Obama expanded this nonproliferation program to conventional weapons -- including shoulder-fired rockets and land mines. When the bill received $48 million in funding, Obama said, "This funding will further strengthen our ability to detect and intercept illegal shipments of weapons and materials of mass destruction, enhancing efforts to prevent nuclear terrorism."
Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006
This act of Congress, introduced by Senators Obama and Coburn, required the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds in FY2007.
Despite a "secret hold" on this bill by Senators Ted Stevens and Robert Byrd, the act passed into law and was signed by President Bush. The act had 43 cosponsors, including John McCain.
The act created this Web site, which provides citizens with valuable information about government-funded programs.
Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act
This law helped specify US policy toward the Congo, and states that the US should work with other donor nations to increase international contributions to the African nation.
The bill marked the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor. Following this legislation's passage, Obama toured Africa, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. He spoke forcefully against ethnic rivalries and political corruption in Kenya.
Honest Leadership and Open Government Act
In the first month of the 110th Congress, Obama worked with Sen. Russ Feingold to pass this law, which amends and strengthens the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995.
Specificially, the changes made by Obama and Feingold requires public disclosure of lobbying activity and funding, places more restrictions on gifts for members of Congress and their staff, and provides for mandatory disclosure of earmarks in expenditure bills.
The House passed the bill, 411-8, on July 31. The Senate approved it, 83-14, on Aug. 2. At the time, Obama called it "the most sweeping ethics reform since Watergate."
Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act
Following the Republican-sponsored voter intimidation tactics seen in mostly black counties in Maryland during the 2006 midterm elections, Obama worked with Sen. Chuck Schumer to introduce this bill.
The bill has been referred to the United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary. Obama said of the bill, "This legislation would ensure that for the first time, these incidents are fully investigated and that those found guilty are punished."
The Obama-McCain Climate Change Reduction Bill
The Obama-McCain bill, which is co-sponsored by Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., would cut emissions by two-thirds by 2050.
Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007
Introduced by Obama, this binding act would stop the planned troop increase of 21,500 in Iraq, and would also begin a phased redeployment of troops from Iraq with the goal of removing all combat forces by March 31, 2008.
Explaining the bill, Obama said it reflects his view that the problems in Iraq do not have a military solution. "Our troops have performed brilliantly in Iraq, but no amount of American soldiers can solve the political differences at the heart of somebody else's civil war," Obama said.
Amendments to the 2008 Defense Authorization Bill
Obama worked with Sen. Kit Bond to limit, through this bill, the Pentagon’s use of personality disorder discharges in the FY 2008 Defense Authorization bill.
This provision would add additional safeguards to discharge procedures and require a thorough review by the Government Accountability Office. This followed news reports that the Pentagon inappropriately used these procedures to discharge service members with service-connected psychological injuries.
 
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