Ok, explain it to me. I really want to know.

[eric b 125]

the only reason i'm posting here is because the mods were kind enough to remove that post from earlier: thank you.
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2971862
Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are the two richest men on the planet, they didn't inherit their wealth. Bill Clinton didn't exactly start out with a silver spoon in his mouth.
Me thinks someone needs to spend less time whining and more time putting a little effort into making the dream happen for themselves and I don't mean buying a lottery ticket every week.
i am by no means whining, and for your information, i never play the lotto. i have maybe bought a dozen scratch-offs in my life. i'm more than happy with my income and i live pretty comfortably. as far as the american dream is concerned: i think maybe you and i have different ideas of what it is, because at 25, i can say i've owned a successful restaurant, sold it after 6 yrs to pursue a career in nursing (even though i'll make less money). it's not all about money for me the way it is for other people. the people you are mentioning, and the social class in which they're in, comprise maybe 2% of the US population. sure, they did work. sure, they make dough. good for them, they've worked extremely hard and have a lot to show for it. this though, is not what i pictured as the american dream, and if it is, then to me it is still a lie because i know plenty of hard working people, who have tried and tried and continue to try, but arent making bill gates money. if we spoon-feed this american dream to the youth then most of us will be lying.

 

[rslinger]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2971919
Like the government providing healthcare on the backs of those that attained the american dream without government help....We get it.
I dont have a problem with the goverment helping people that are having a ruff time weather it is due to econmic issues or education or whatever. if everbody just paid the same percent of there income to the goverment and the goverment helped people in bad situations eventually people will find ways out of thoose situations. i dont believe there are really that many people who live off the goverment for there whole lives. People that are disabled are different set of issues though. i do believe there should be more rules about people reciving goverment help to be pushed in to making a better life for themselfs. but also the goverment should help them do the things to help them better there lives. more funding for people to get educated and so forth. it can make america a better place for us all in the long run better place for our kids to grow up

 

[moprint]

Ok everybody in this country has the chance to be educated up to the 12th grade. They blow it drop out or whatever and now you want to pay for them to be educated again?? Come on get real. I geuss this goes back to the American Dream not being real, i.e. the man holding me back or keeping me down. It is not my fault they bad choices, but now I have to pay for them, through higher taxes. Yes it will happen and the kool-aid drinkers will keep spending my kids money, heck mines already gone. That is what is wrong with this country, aw crap I made a bad choice or two, but oh well here comes the check from the govt. heck and I didn't even havetoo work for it. Give me a friggin break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/2971932
but also the goverment should help them do the things to help them better there lives. more funding for people to get educated and so forth. it can make america a better place for us all in the long run better place for our kids to grow up
You don't need a college education to start and run your own business. I don't have one. You don't have to pay for education.....Life is education. Go to the library, get a book for free and learn it. People place far to much emphasis on college education and the cost. While college can and will teach you some things, it is NOT a requirement to receive your piece of the pie if you are determined enough.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Eric B 125
http:///forum/post/2971928
the only reason i'm posting here is because the mods were kind enough to remove that post from earlier: thank you.
i am by no means whining, and for your information, i never play the lotto. i have maybe bought a dozen scratch-offs in my life. i'm more than happy with my income and i live pretty comfortably. as far as the american dream is concerned: i think maybe you and i have different ideas of what it is, because at 25, i can say i've owned a successful restaurant, sold it after 6 yrs to pursue a career in nursing (even though i'll make less money). it's not all about money for me the way it is for other people. the people you are mentioning, and the social class in which they're in, comprise maybe 2% of the US population. sure, they did work. sure, they make dough. good for them, they've worked extremely hard and have a lot to show for it. this though, is not what i pictured as the american dream, and if it is, then to me it is still a lie because i know plenty of hard working people, who have tried and tried and continue to try, but arent making bill gates money. if we spoon-feed this american dream to the youth then most of us will be lying.
"Life ,Liberty ,and the Pursuit of Happiness"
What more can one ask for?
"Life ,Liberty,and the Guarantee of anything i think i deserve"

 

[vinnyraptor]

Originally Posted by FishyFun2
http:///forum/post/2971072
I started a new thread so as not to hijack another. I really want to understand from people who vote or identify themselves as democrats, why do you do so? What is it about the party that you like and identify with? I was raised in a Democratic family. Registered as a Democrat and voted in the 2000 election as a 21 year old (voted for Gore, by the way). The thing is, as I got older, I learned some stuff about life that changed my mind. I am now registered as a Republican, although I don't like the way the party seems to be going.
So what is it? Please, let me understand!!!! I want to understand!!!!

This is for educational purposes only.

your sarcastic question sucked me in. im not a registered anything but have almost always voted democrat. before i start i'd like to ask you a question when you voted for Gore, looking back do you think you made the right choice?
i think the reason alot of people are democrat is that thier 1. Pro Choice and 2. Pro Union. they have fought for equal rights, womens rights, and gay rights far more than the GOP has. they are generally anti war and have 3 to 1 ratio of minorities and women in office to the republicans. they have gays in office 10x thats ( open gays that is,lol)
in recent history its especially true, Clinton turned the country around and built a surplus. Bush spent it, and caused a recession. we can go on for days as to what exactly happened, im not going there, but that is the general belief as to what happened by the majority of americans, and this past election is the proof.

 

[rslinger]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2971969
You don't need a college education to start and run your own business. I don't have one. You don't have to pay for education.....Life is education. Go to the library, get a book for free and learn it. People place far to much emphasis on college education and the cost. While college can and will teach you some things, it is NOT a requirement to receive your piece of the pie if you are determined enough.
Correct you dont need a college edu to start you own business. but not everybody is as naturally intellegent as you and me maybe. somepeople who go to public school in america are at a huge disadvange from the start. our education system is brooke from the ground up starting in kindergarten all the way through the cost of college. do you know that to be a general manager for menards company you must have a bachleor degree for them to even take your application. 6 years expericane and they would not even look at it. education is important for people to futher themselves have a better life so there kids can.

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/2972001
Correct you dont need a college edu to start you own business. but not everybody is as naturally intellegent as you and me maybe. somepeople who go to public school in america are at a huge disadvange from the start. our education system is brooke from the ground up starting in kindergarten all the way through the cost of college. do you know that to be a general manager for menards company you must have a bachleor degree for them to even take your application. 6 years expericane and they would not even look at it. education is important for people to futher themselves have a better life so there kids can.
How does this make sense? If the guy just isn't 'smart enough,' why are you in favor of forcing him into a position he can't do? Why put him over someone else who is 'naturally' qualified?

 

[stdreb27]

couple observations, I find it interesting self described or not the liberals in this thread are the ones who don't believe in the "american dream."
Second for those who think the dems are inclusive ideologically, ask Zell Miller and Liberman (lifelong democrats) what their party did to them after they came out in support of the Iraq war?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2972017
How does this make sense? If the guy just isn't 'smart enough,' why are you in favor of forcing him into a position he can't do? Why put him over someone else who is 'naturally' qualified?
it doesn't that is why they are liberals.

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2972017
How does this make sense? If the guy just isn't 'smart enough,' why are you in favor of forcing him into a position he can't do? Why put him over someone else who is 'naturally' qualified?
That is the Liberal way AK.

 

[rslinger]

You need to look at this country as a whole. Isn't that the old Rep saying country first. But you don't, you look at how it affects you and only now. Not the future. Do you not think that educating the other citizens of your country that you are helping your kids have a better future. The more education people can get the better. Do you think people make the choice to live in poverty? People are a lot of times stuck where and how they grew up. Try as hard as they can in school, no matter what still not have the money to get into college. Can only get a job at the local factory making $15 dollars per hour. Also there is the need for union labor has they help keep the wages higher for these types of jobs. But thats a different conversation all together is it not. But back to education, i will admit the are some very successfully people out there with out degrees. Thats what worked for them but it is not what works for everybody. Take pride in your country and fellow man if you see him struggle to get out of the gutter reach down and pull him up don't kick him in the face and tell him they should take something else away from him. As generations pass we could make our country the best educated country in the world. People will no longer think hey i grew up in the project I have to sell crack there is no way out. You get people educated today and there kids can grow up and say well my mom or dad did it so i know i can be what i what. That is where the dream has been lost the most, in our youth. They see all the struggle around them and say whats the use.
And a little on the American dream everybody's dream must be different. That is the best part of all. If everybody dreamed to be the richest it would never work. Your dream might be to save lives, fix cars, whatever it might be when you find what truly makes you happy then there is your dream. My dream is to own a small business. Don't care to be rich just comfortable. Work the hours i want and spend lots of time with my kids.

 

[rslinger]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2972048
couple observations, I find it interesting self described or not the liberals in this thread are the ones who don't believe in the "american dream."
Second for those who think the dems are inclusive ideologically, ask Zell Miller and Liberman (lifelong democrats) what their party did to them after they came out in support of the Iraq war?

When did i say i don't believe in an American dream.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Eric B 125
http:///forum/post/2971928
the only reason i'm posting here is because the mods were kind enough to remove that post from earlier: thank you.
i am by no means whining, and for your information, i never play the lotto. i have maybe bought a dozen scratch-offs in my life. i'm more than happy with my income and i live pretty comfortably. as far as the american dream is concerned: i think maybe you and i have different ideas of what it is, because at 25, i can say i've owned a successful restaurant, sold it after 6 yrs to pursue a career in nursing (even though i'll make less money). it's not all about money for me the way it is for other people. the people you are mentioning, and the social class in which they're in, comprise maybe 2% of the US population. sure, they did work. sure, they make dough. good for them, they've worked extremely hard and have a lot to show for it. this though, is not what i pictured as the american dream, and if it is, then to me it is still a lie because i know plenty of hard working people, who have tried and tried and continue to try, but arent making bill gates money. if we spoon-feed this american dream to the youth then most of us will be lying.
I can't think of a person I've ever known who worked hard and didn't earn a comfortable living. Everyone will go through a rocky spot here and there but most bounce back. They may not have had as much house as they wanted or the kind of car they would like to drive but this isn't Burger King, you don't get it your way.
Last I looked the Lotto was over 100 million, you should buy a ticket, It's fun. If I win my family and a couple friends get to join me in early retirement

 

[rslinger]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2972072
I can't think of a person I've ever known who worked hard and didn't earn a comfortable living. Everyone will go through a rocky spot here and there but most bounce back. They may not have had as much house as they wanted or the kind of car they would like to drive but this isn't Burger King, you don't get it your way.
Last I looked the Lotto was over 100 million, you should buy a ticket, It's fun. If I win my family and a couple friends get to join me in early retirement

But there are people in this world that work three jobs just to pay the bills. These are not people living above there means, just people lacking the skills to find a better job. Do you think it is wrong to help these people with heath insurance that they don't get from the 3 part time jobs they can find. Or to help educated them so they can learn the skills to move ahead in life. I don't agree with people living off the government for life unless disabled to the point where they could never do it on there own. Put to help someone with what should be basic necessity's while they are trying to build that better life is just fine in my eyes. But everybody always has a right to there own thoughts, that is whats great about our country.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/2972077
But there are people in this world that work three jobs just to pay the bills. These are not people living above there means, just people lacking the skills to find a better job. Do you think it is wrong to help these people with heath insurance that they don't get from the 3 part time jobs they can find. Or to help educated them so they can learn the skills to move ahead in life. I don't agree with people living off the government for life unless disabled to the point where they could never do it on there own. Put to help someone with what should be basic necessity's while they are trying to build that better life is just fine in my eyes. But everybody always has a right to there own thoughts, that is whats great about our country.
How many people do you know who work 3 part time jobs? I've known a few not so bright people in my life but I can't think of one who as an adult couldn't hold down a full time job.
My theory on it is no able bodied person of reasonably sound mind who isn't working at least 40 hours a week should be eligible for any government assistance.
I have no problem with offering education assistance to someone to go to night school or trade school to earn a craft that will allow them to make a better living.
What I oppose is cases like was plastered on the front page of the newspaper where I used to live trumpeting the case of a single mom. She was about to graduate law school. She had went through 4 years of college and then law school collecting welfare and other assistance. You have to admire the person but despise a system that allowed that to happen. Why should those of use who couldn't afford to go through 4 years of college, yet alone law school too be force to support someone else while they do it? I would have no problem covering the bills why she went through a 2 year program but beyond that is just BS.
My wife and I had one child because that is what we felt we could comfortably afford to raise, nobody helped pay for our healthcare. Why should I now be expected to pick up the tab for people who didn't exercise such sensible judgment?

 

[rslinger]

I have worked in the fast food management world for part of my life, and even with the employee i work for now. The word from upper management "Only hire part time people". So they don't have to pay the benefits. I have had countless employees that worked multiple part time jobs because they did not posses the skill set to obtain full time employment or it wasn't available at the time. I don't agree with paying for someone to go to graduate school. That is something that you can work for. My little sister went to grad school at Columbia, my little brother is going to Marquette. Both of them are or have done it on student loans. No welfare. I don't' want to know how much they have in loans stupid number i am sure. i know it cost my brother about 250,000 for the first four years though and if the government could help make that more affordable for people that would be great.

 

[rslinger]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2972103
Why should those of use who couldn't afford to go through 4 years of college, yet alone law school too be force to support someone else while they do it?
If the goverment helps people go to school then this statement would no longer survive right?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/2972119
If the goverment helps people go to school then this statement would no longer survive right?
So now you want the government to pay for everyone to go to college? So what do we who didn't get free college get out of the deal? It will be use paying the bills to get them through school.We paying for the twist offs who will only go to party too? How about those who are not good enough students to complete college level courses? What do they get?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/2972115
I have worked in the fast food management world for part of my life, and even with the employee i work for now. The word from upper management "Only hire part time people". So they don't have to pay the benefits. I have had countless employees that worked multiple part time jobs because they did not posses the skill set to obtain full time employment or it wasn't available at the time. I don't agree with paying for someone to go to graduate school. That is something that you can work for. My little sister went to grad school at Columbia, my little brother is going to Marquette. Both of them are or have done it on student loans. No welfare. I don't' want to know how much they have in loans stupid number i am sure. i know it cost my brother about 250,000 for the first four years though and if the government could help make that more affordable for people that would be great.
Yeah but once you start making it easy you start infesting the student body with people who arent that serious about their education.
With a quarter million in loans on his back there is little chance your brother would go 2 or 3 years and quit before getting the degree.