Ok, explain it to me. I really want to know.

kjr_trig

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/2972062
You need to look at this country as a whole. Isn't that the old Rep saying country first. But you don't, you look at how it affects you and only now. Not the future. Do you not think that educating the other citizens of your country that you are helping your kids have a better future. The more education people can get the better. Do you think people make the choice to live in poverty? People are a lot of times stuck where and how they grew up. Try as hard as they can in school, no matter what still not have the money to get into college. Can only get a job at the local factory making $15 dollars per hour. Also there is the need for union labor has they help keep the wages higher for these types of jobs. But thats a different conversation all together is it not. But back to education, i will admit the are some very successfully people out there with out degrees. Thats what worked for them but it is not what works for everybody. Take pride in your country and fellow man if you see him struggle to get out of the gutter reach down and pull him up don't kick him in the face and tell him they should take something else away from him. As generations pass we could make our country the best educated country in the world. People will no longer think hey i grew up in the project I have to sell crack there is no way out. You get people educated today and there kids can grow up and say well my mom or dad did it so i know i can be what i what. That is where the dream has been lost the most, in our youth. They see all the struggle around them and say whats the use.
And a little on the American dream everybody's dream must be different. That is the best part of all. If everybody dreamed to be the richest it would never work. Your dream might be to save lives, fix cars, whatever it might be when you find what truly makes you happy then there is your dream. My dream is to own a small business. Don't care to be rich just comfortable. Work the hours i want and spend lots of time with my kids.
Rslinger, I didn't grow up in poverty, far from it. I have been pretty fortunate my whole life. My wife is a different story, she did grow in poverty at times, she had 14 people (3 families) living under the same 1,200 sq. foot roof (all just over from Vietnam). The best day of her parents life was the day they became citizens, the second best day was the day they got off welfare, and said we don't need help anymore. My wife went to one of the worst high schools in Phoenix where 5% of students go on to college. She earned her college scholorship and her way into Med School, noboby handed it to her (Asians are not considered minorities when it comes to affimative action in getting into school in the U.S.). What is her reward for all her hard work and sacrifice? Obama is raising her taxes and going to take 39% of her income so the government can help people that didn't work as hard and didn't make as good of choices about their lives while we are still paying off her Med School debt. Do you think people that work hard should be punished? Do you think everybody that makes good money just got lucky and didn't earn it? She is my example of the American Dream, needless to say she is a Republican, and so are her parents.
College is not a right in this country, its a privledge for those that are willing to work for it.
 

moprint

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Rslinger you must not work at a very big company. I have worked in a manager position in fast food also, McDonalds 6 years. The people we hired 85%, I would bet, said this was temporary till they found something else. The govt. is not here too pay for anybodies college, they want that it's called the GI Bill. Join the military and there you go college assistance from the govt.. My daughter is gonna graduate in 2 years, hopefully a softball scholarship is gonna pay for her college. If not there is other ways to do it, but the govt. sure the heck is not gonna it because I am not a leach on my fellow man. I don't want them to pay for her education or anybody elses after the 12th grade. That is just plain ffng stupid too me.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2972128
Rslinger, I didn't grow up in poverty, far from it. I have been pretty fortunate my whole life. My wife is a different story, she did grow in poverty at times, she had 14 people (3 families) living under the same 1,200 sq. foot roof (all just over from Vietnam). The best day of her parents life was the day they became citizens, the second best day was the day they got off welfare, and said we don't need help anymore. My wife went to one of the worst high schools in Phoenix where 5% of students go on to college. She earned her college scholorship and her way into Med School, noboby handed it to her (Asians are not considered minorities when it comes to affimative action in getting into school in the U.S.). What is her reward for all her hard work and sacrifice? Obama is raising her taxes and going to take 39% of her income so the government can help people that didn't work as hard and didn't make as good of choices about their lives while we are still paying off her Med School debt. Do you think people that work hard should be punished? Do you think everybody that makes good money just got lucky and didn't earn it? She is my example of the American Dream, needless to say she is a Republican, and so are her parents.
College is not a right in this country, its a privledge for those that are willing to work for it.
They should have done an extensive study on the boat people and made them an example to every one. Most came in with nothing but insisted their kids bust their butts in school and worked their own butts off to get themselves ahead.There were a lot of families in the OC area (Cal) that moved multiple families into a single house so they could establish themselves sooner.
 

rslinger

Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2972123
So now you want the government to pay for everyone to go to college? So what do we who didn't get free college get out of the deal? It will be use paying the bills to get them through school.We paying for the twist offs who will only go to party too? How about those who are not good enough students to complete college level courses? What do they get?
No I am not saying that the goverment should give anybody free school just make it affordible to all. With yes some grants and help getting student loans. Also help keep the intrest rate down on these loans. I know that studnet loans from Sally Mae right now are around 7.6%. I don't think it should be free. never had i said free. Just Give people the help they need to get the ball rolling on this thing called life. We could all talk in circles forever and disagree, doesn't matter. That is what we vote for. That is why America said it was ready for change. We as a people as a whole need to learn to work together and compermise. If we don't this country will never get fixed. There is no wrong way or right way. We need to try everything until we find what works. The last 8 years didn't work, so lets give the next 4 a chance and if it doesn't work somebody will come up with another idea. All these Reb. people saying they hope the president fails is wrong. It is wrong as an American to say such a thing. I disliked president bush but you never would have heard me say i wished he would fail.
 

rslinger

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Actually the company i work for now is very big it is U-Haul. I have been a GM for them for a little over a year now and yeah in our monthly meetings Joe Shoen CEO sends out few words for our Marketing Company Presidents to read to us they all end in keep cost low hire part-time. In the food industry most fast food around here is fanchised. And yes they also carry that mentaity. Wal-mart also carries that one. U-haul to keep taxes low technicly rents my marketing company the store and all other equipment. We pay rent for everything something about being able to make more money tax free. It bothers me to no end. That is why i want to start my own business.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/2972140
No I am not saying that the goverment should give anybody free school just make it affordible to all. With yes some grants and help getting student loans. Also help keep the intrest rate down on these loans. I know that studnet loans from Sally Mae right now are around 7.6%. I don't think it should be free. never had i said free. Just Give people the help they need to get the ball rolling on this thing called life. We could all talk in circles forever and disagree, doesn't matter. That is what we vote for. That is why America said it was ready for change. We as a people as a whole need to learn to work together and compermise. If we don't this country will never get fixed. There is no wrong way or right way. We need to try everything until we find what works. The last 8 years didn't work, so lets give the next 4 a chance and if it doesn't work somebody will come up with another idea. All these Reb. people saying they hope the president fails is wrong. It is wrong as an American to say such a thing. I disliked president bush but you never would have heard me say i wished he would fail.
I can see capping the interest on student loans and even offering a rebate program for graduates who agree to work for the government (which happens now) but you can't do much to make it cheap. The best schools have to charge more. That gives them the incentive to keep providing the best education and weeds out those less serious about their education. I could see offering grants to those with an excellent GPA record but I think they should be required to pay a small percentage of their salary back into the system to keep it funded. Let those who take advantage of the system help fund it. Not something we could do at the present time but maybe some day.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/2972145
Actually the company i work for now is very big it is U-Haul. I have been a GM for them for a little over a year now and yeah in our monthly meetings Joe Shoen CEO sends out few words for our Marketing Company Presidents to read to us they all end in keep cost low hire part-time. In the food industry most fast food around here is fanchised. And yes they also carry that mentaity. Wal-mart also carries that one. U-haul to keep taxes low technicly rents my marketing company the store and all other equipment. We pay rent for everything something about being able to make more money tax free. It bothers me to no end. That is why i want to start my own business.
Contrary to popular opinion the tax code is written to favor really small businesses and it should be. You start a little business and hire a couple people and maybe a few more then one of them sets off on their own and does the same thing. That is how most of the jobs are created in this country.
 

rslinger

Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2972146
I can see capping the interest on student loans and even offering a rebate program for graduates who agree to work for the government (which happens now) but you can't do much to make it cheap. The best schools have to charge more. That gives them the incentive to keep providing the best education and weeds out those less serious about their education. I could see offering grants to those with an excellent GPA record but I think they should be required to pay a small percentage of their salary back into the system to keep it funded. Let those who take advantage of the system help fund it. Not something we could do at the present time but maybe some day.
And I believe that would be a good start also. Making student loans available for all. (some people's parents have made bad choices and because they count for college can not attend) If every single kid in high school new that if they worked hard they could go to school i bet that would make a lot of kids work harder. Now kids have the mentality why should i work hard at high school not like i can go to college. And i also agree you really can't control what a college cost. and shouldn't some school's are better than others. I also like the idea of the pay back some of your salary to the grant program idea. But why could we not do this today.
 

rslinger

Member
Originally Posted by moprint
http:///forum/post/2972130
Rslinger you must not work at a very big company. I have worked in a manager position in fast food also, McDonald's 6 years. The people we hired 85%, I would bet, said this was temporary till they found something else. The govt. is not here too pay for anybodies college, they want that it's called the GI Bill. Join the military and there you go college assistance from the govt.. My daughter is gonna graduate in 2 years, hopefully a softball scholarship is gonna pay for her college. If not there is other ways to do it, but the govt. sure the heck is not gonna it because I am not a leach on my fellow man. I don't want them to pay for her education or anybody elses after the 12th grade. That is just plain ffng stupid too me.
Right and as i said i think we need to help people out who need the help temporally. Just as they are working at McDon's temporary. People who are trying to live there whole life off the government is the problem I get that, so we need to identify those people and say hey you got x amount of time to get it together. I know most of the McDon's here are franchised. Mizzulo (sp?) Mac is one of the big McDon's franchises here and i know there is more. I have had friends that worked for them for many years. I am not sure where you are form but i worked for Taco Bell for 4 years and Culvers for 2. You may not know who Culvers is yet depending on where you live but someday i am sure they will be everywhere. Good franchise if your into the restaurant thing.
 

sickboy

Active Member
Originally Posted by moprint
http:///forum/post/2971925
Is that socialism??

The American Dream is there for people who want. Now if all wanna do is listen too Nine Inch Nails in your moms basement and then say it's not real. Well who is suprised by that??

I suppose that is a shot at me, in which case you are dead wrong, in fact I have worked my back side off to make up for some mistakes and have partaken in your "American Dream" you so dearly think exists. And in many ways did does exist, but in a lot of ways its a tool used to keep the average worker working....
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/2972176
And I believe that would be a good start also. Making student loans available for all. (some people's parents have made bad choices and because they count for college can not attend) If every single kid in high school new that if they worked hard they could go to school i bet that would make a lot of kids work harder. Now kids have the mentality why should i work hard at high school not like i can go to college. And i also agree you really can't control what a college cost. and shouldn't some school's are better than others. I also like the idea of the pay back some of your salary to the grant program idea. But why could we not do this today.
How many trillions are we in debt and haven't even begun to deal with Social Security and Medicare solvency issues, Going to have to wait until the economy starts rolling again to add anything to the budget. If we don't start paying down the debt the only education that is going to matter is hunting, fishing farming and ranching cause the government is going to collapse.
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2972248
Dont send them to Mexico, that is my plan B if Obama keep pushing us to the left.
Actually thats not a bad idea,We can just let the Libs totally open up the borders and when all the Mexicans vacate we can move in and build a bigger fence with landmines this time.Let Canada deal with them after the USA goes bankrupt.
How this sound "Republico"
 
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