littlej2455
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When treating a tank with Para-guard do you need to turn off a UV?
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littlej2455
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Does anyone have any success with this product? I have been using it for a little over a week and I have seen little results. I have been using a half of dose everyday.
littlej2455
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Internal Bacteria infection. The redness has gone away, and now he is rubbing up against things in the tank.
littlej2455
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hahahah its a medication that fights parasites.
meowzer
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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3052371
HeeHee. Had to go look it up, first thing that came up were Paraguard IUD's.........................WHAT!!!!
This is a seachem product to fight ich. Do you have Ich or a birth control question?
Thank you for that Spanko...I have not had my daily roll on the floor laugh yet today, and of course you ONCE AGAIN helped me out
http:///forum/post/3052371
HeeHee. Had to go look it up, first thing that came up were Paraguard IUD's.........................WHAT!!!!
This is a seachem product to fight ich. Do you have Ich or a birth control question?
littlej2455
Member
Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3052364
What are you using it for?
have you ever heard of someone using this medication and getting quick results? Or does this take longer? I was thinking of using copper because that is what i used to clear out ich but that really wouldn't have helped me at first. I hope that using the medication didnt give my blue tang ich.
http:///forum/post/3052364
What are you using it for?
have you ever heard of someone using this medication and getting quick results? Or does this take longer? I was thinking of using copper because that is what i used to clear out ich but that really wouldn't have helped me at first. I hope that using the medication didnt give my blue tang ich.
littlej2455
Member
Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3052829
I seriously doubt the med could give your tang ich...I know nothing about this med...except for some reason I have a bottle
If your tang has ich, either it came with it, or something else did
read about ich and hypo in the disease forum...THANKFULLY I have no experience with it
The weird thing is though, the blue tang has been in my tank for over a year, and it the most dominate fish in the tank. He has never had ich or any other disease. It could be just me freaking out, because every now and then he would just normal;y brush up against my fakes corals. He has very faint white spots only on the black part oh his body.
http:///forum/post/3052829
I seriously doubt the med could give your tang ich...I know nothing about this med...except for some reason I have a bottle
If your tang has ich, either it came with it, or something else did
read about ich and hypo in the disease forum...THANKFULLY I have no experience with it
The weird thing is though, the blue tang has been in my tank for over a year, and it the most dominate fish in the tank. He has never had ich or any other disease. It could be just me freaking out, because every now and then he would just normal;y brush up against my fakes corals. He has very faint white spots only on the black part oh his body.
meowzer
Moderator
Originally Posted by littlej2455
http:///forum/post/3053120
The weird thing is though, the blue tang has been in my tank for over a year, and it the most dominate fish in the tank. He has never had ich or any other disease. It could be just me freaking out, because every now and then he would just normal;y brush up against my fakes corals. He has very faint white spots only on the black part oh his body.
The only thing I know about ich is from what I have read....if you think it is ich, you need to go to the disease forum, read about the disease, and very importantly the treatment....
That's about all I can tell you about that....sorry
http:///forum/post/3053120
The weird thing is though, the blue tang has been in my tank for over a year, and it the most dominate fish in the tank. He has never had ich or any other disease. It could be just me freaking out, because every now and then he would just normal;y brush up against my fakes corals. He has very faint white spots only on the black part oh his body.
The only thing I know about ich is from what I have read....if you think it is ich, you need to go to the disease forum, read about the disease, and very importantly the treatment....
That's about all I can tell you about that....sorry
srfisher17
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Originally Posted by littlej2455 http:///forum/post/3052807
have you ever heard of someone using this medication and getting quick results? Or does this take longer? I was thinking of using copper because that is what i used to clear out ich but that really wouldn't have helped me at first. I hope that using the medication didnt give my blue tang ich.
IMO & IME: only copper or hypo will always cure ich. There are many products that have come and gone, but until I hear a lot of glowing reports about one, I'll stick to my original opinion.Some other methods may work sometimes, but I think they just control ich for a while and any stress will bring another out break. Here's some vital reading.https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/127007/faqs-fish-diseases-treatments-quarantine-health-info
BTW; no medication can give a fish ich. Ich is a parasite and its either in the tank or it isn't.
have you ever heard of someone using this medication and getting quick results? Or does this take longer? I was thinking of using copper because that is what i used to clear out ich but that really wouldn't have helped me at first. I hope that using the medication didnt give my blue tang ich.
IMO & IME: only copper or hypo will always cure ich. There are many products that have come and gone, but until I hear a lot of glowing reports about one, I'll stick to my original opinion.Some other methods may work sometimes, but I think they just control ich for a while and any stress will bring another out break. Here's some vital reading.https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/127007/faqs-fish-diseases-treatments-quarantine-health-info
BTW; no medication can give a fish ich. Ich is a parasite and its either in the tank or it isn't.
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by littlej2455
http:///forum/post/3052327
Does anyone have any success with this product? I have been using it for a little over a week and I have seen little results. I have been using a half of dose everyday.
Why would you use only half a dose? I'm sure that cuts the success chances to near zero. Medications from good companies are safe; they don't always work, but use the full dose.
http:///forum/post/3052327
Does anyone have any success with this product? I have been using it for a little over a week and I have seen little results. I have been using a half of dose everyday.
Why would you use only half a dose? I'm sure that cuts the success chances to near zero. Medications from good companies are safe; they don't always work, but use the full dose.
littlej2455
Member
Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/3053165
IMO & IME: only copper or hypo will always cure ich. There are many products that have come and gone, but until I hear a lot of glowing reports about one, I'll stick to my original opinion.Some other methods may work sometimes, but I think they just control ich for a while and any stress will bring another out break. Here's some vital reading.https://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=127007
BTW; no medication can give a fish ich. Ich is a parasite and its either in the tank or it isn't.
No but medications can cause the fish to be stressed, which in terns gives a fish ich. And, I have learned through experience it is never safe to do the full dosage of any medication right off the back because of shock to the fish.
http:///forum/post/3053165
IMO & IME: only copper or hypo will always cure ich. There are many products that have come and gone, but until I hear a lot of glowing reports about one, I'll stick to my original opinion.Some other methods may work sometimes, but I think they just control ich for a while and any stress will bring another out break. Here's some vital reading.https://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=127007
BTW; no medication can give a fish ich. Ich is a parasite and its either in the tank or it isn't.
No but medications can cause the fish to be stressed, which in terns gives a fish ich. And, I have learned through experience it is never safe to do the full dosage of any medication right off the back because of shock to the fish.
stanlalee
Active Member
Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3052371
HeeHee. Had to go look it up, first thing that came up were Paraguard IUD's.........................WHAT!!!!
This is a seachem product to fight ich. Do you have Ich or a birth control question?
seachems cupramine is their product to fight ich and is the best and safest copper treatment out there. the required copper test kit on the other hand is crap. I had to use the control everytime because the shades of blue are so vague I needed to see exactly what it was suppose to look like everytime. consequently after one treatment and all the controls I have plenty of copper test that I cant accurately read without buying another kit for the control.
Para guard is a broad range medication designed to supposedly treat parasites, fungal, bacterial and viral infections. I simply like to call it snake oil with the exception of profilactic dip for newly aquired fish. I've used and keep both these at all times. Para guard dip (at a strengh much stronger than would be used for any long term treatment) and luck is what I use instead of proper QTing.
Originally Posted by littlej2455
http:///forum/post/3052370
Internal Bacteria infection. The redness has gone away, and now he is rubbing up against things in the tank.
just like people bacterial infections need to be treated with antibiotics. the same ones that work for people work for fish too (except you can buy the fish ones in the exact same doses prescription free. go figure). UV is actually a great thing for bacterial infections. It wont help the fish but it will help the water that the fish got it from and greatly reduce the chances of re infection.
srfisher17
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Stanlalee;3053491 said:
srfisher17
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I agree with Stanlalee above; that Cupramine is, by far, the best way to treat ich. I use it in QT on almost all new fish.Funny, my test kit experience is just the opposite--SeaChem is the one kit I can read very well.
I also agree on the para-guard. Anything that claims to cure everything won't cure anything; IMO. This is a kind of "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" approach. But, fish can be impossible to diagnose and just maybe one of these "catch all" products may work for some strange infection. It sure would be my med of last resort, however.
I also agree on the para-guard. Anything that claims to cure everything won't cure anything; IMO. This is a kind of "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" approach. But, fish can be impossible to diagnose and just maybe one of these "catch all" products may work for some strange infection. It sure would be my med of last resort, however.
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by littlej2455
http:///forum/post/3053243
No but medications can cause the fish to be stressed, which in terns gives a fish ich. And, I have learned through experience it is never safe to do the full dosage of any medication right off the back because of shock to the fish.
True. But the fact remains: if the tank is ich-free, no fish can get ich no matter how stressed they are. If EVERYTHING is properly QT'd, a DT should be ich free forever.
http:///forum/post/3053243
No but medications can cause the fish to be stressed, which in terns gives a fish ich. And, I have learned through experience it is never safe to do the full dosage of any medication right off the back because of shock to the fish.
True. But the fact remains: if the tank is ich-free, no fish can get ich no matter how stressed they are. If EVERYTHING is properly QT'd, a DT should be ich free forever.
littlej2455
Member
Originally Posted by Stanlalee
http:///forum/post/3053491
seachems cupramine is their product to fight ich and is the best and safest copper treatment out there. the required copper test kit on the other hand is crap. I had to use the control everytime because the shades of blue are so vague I needed to see exactly what it was suppose to look like everytime. consequently after one treatment and all the controls I have plenty of copper test that I cant accurately read without buying another kit for the control.
Para guard is a broad range medication designed to supposedly treat parasites, fungal, bacterial and viral infections. I simply like to call it snake oil with the exception of profilactic dip for newly aquired fish. I've used and keep both these at all times. Para guard dip (at a strengh much stronger than would be used for any long term treatment) and luck is what I use instead of proper QTing.
just like people bacterial infections need to be treated with antibiotics. the same ones that work for people work for fish too (except you can buy the fish ones in the exact same doses prescription free. go figure). UV is actually a great thing for bacterial infections. It wont help the fish but it will help the water that the fish got it from and greatly reduce the chances of re infection.
Yeah that sounds good. Right before I read this that was exactly what I was thinking. I have the copper from a buddy of mine and he said it works great. Right now I did a water change and added back my carbon to kind of get rid of all of the para guard and just watch the tang to see if he has the ich. I was gonna wait about 24-36 hours after adding in the carbon. How does that sound? I just wanted to do that so I didnt add in 2 medications back to back.
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by littlej2455
http:///forum/post/3053700
Yeah that sounds good. Right before I read this that was exactly what I was thinking. I have the copper from a buddy of mine and he said it works great. Right now I did a water change and added back my carbon to kind of get rid of all of the para guard and just watch the tang to see if he has the ich. I was gonna wait about 24-36 hours after adding in the carbon. How does that sound? I just wanted to do that so I didnt add in 2 medications back to back.
I'm not sure, do you have the tang in QT? Copper can't be used with corals or other inverts; or even LR. Just my opinion, but you might want to find some good pics and descriptions of SW Ich. I'm convinced that many of the folks who report success in curing ch with diet, garlic, etc., are not dealing with true SW ich
http:///forum/post/3053700
Yeah that sounds good. Right before I read this that was exactly what I was thinking. I have the copper from a buddy of mine and he said it works great. Right now I did a water change and added back my carbon to kind of get rid of all of the para guard and just watch the tang to see if he has the ich. I was gonna wait about 24-36 hours after adding in the carbon. How does that sound? I just wanted to do that so I didnt add in 2 medications back to back.
I'm not sure, do you have the tang in QT? Copper can't be used with corals or other inverts; or even LR. Just my opinion, but you might want to find some good pics and descriptions of SW Ich. I'm convinced that many of the folks who report success in curing ch with diet, garlic, etc., are not dealing with true SW ich