Parcells Retires...

[oceanists]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
So you are saying you didnt think Parcells was a good hire? I dont believe that for 1 second. I didnt hear 1 person anywhere who didnt think Parcells was a great hire, NOT ONE. Jones did give up control unless you are seriously trying to say Parcells was his puppet. No chance!
Jones did whatever Parcells wanted. Vinny and then Bledsoe were 1000000% all Parcells. Think Jerry was the one drooling over Rob Carpenters kid even though we didnt need a lb in the 1st round this year? Parcells had complete control over the draft and all player personnel moves.
By the way, that "crap" Jerry pulled won us 3 titles we never would have had with Landry. The "crap" Parcells pulled(cutting EMMITT because he didnt want any starpower in the lockerroom to challenge him and replacing him with worthless Hambrick) won us absolutely NOTHING

I thought Parcells was a good hire.
1st season: 10-6 Playoffs (we have a determined coach on our hands)
2nd season: 6-10 (Why are we going backward)
3rd Season: And now he starts his "Am I going to return crap" 9-7 ... 2-3 at the end of the season (Do I blame the players or coaching?)
4th season: 10-6 Playoffs .... 2-3 at the end of the season and loses the division title with a 2 game lead. Out coached the WHOLE season and b*$!ch slapped by his use to be assistant Sean Payton. Coaches decide they dont want to deal with Parcells antics anymore, Zimmer *Parcells did away with his 4-3 defense that worked well previously* ( WE NEED TO GET THIS CHUMP OF A COACH OUT OF HERE. JJ PLEASE FIRE THIS GUY HE DOESNT EVEN DESERVE TO LEAVE WITH HIS DIGNITY BECAUSE HE COST US A SEASON BECAUSE OF HIS STUBBORN PLAY CALLING....... PLEASE TAKE BLEDSOES SORRY ASS WITH YOU !!!!!!!)
I dont think JJ is a bad Owner
NFC Divisional Titles
1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998
I do however believe he doesnt have the ability to accurately spot out talent and should step down from the GM role.
Jimmie Johnson paved his way out of Dallas. He and other coaches took alot of personal shots at Jerry when all Jerry did was provide them with a job. I think it was that bad relationship that made JJ want a puppet in which he turned to Barry Switzer. But honestly I dont think Gailey and the Campo were hired to be puppets I just think that was JJ's inability to properly evaluate talent.
T.O. isnt that bad. Name 2 things he did that werent media induced that distracted the team. You cant do it.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
LMAO

Little late for that after 10 responses but i guess when you cant refute facts, its a good last resort!

Weird, a few months ago Ricky Bell and Carnell were "great" running backs but Emmitt in his prime was easily replaceable

Too bad your little friend still too busy crying to join in

nooo... basically it comes down to your self rightious posts that make discussing or debating with you less than desirable... i actually have to sit and look at your posts and try to figure out if youre joking or serious... you dont bring very many facts into a discussion, just your own emotion and opinions mixed in with a

:hilarious :scared: here and there to i would guess add to what you think is a "burn"... i never said "emmitt was replacable" i said who knows if they wouldnt have gotten where they did with out him... and i even said what is there to debate cuz it already happened they did what they did and that is that... and yes i still do think that Bell and Williams are great backs... so please spare me with your burn retaliation because this discussion has already happened...
work the words and your opinions to fit your agenda and always be right... i know your MO... i have been here many times before... its like Vu Ja De all over again...
:happyfish

 

[oceanists]

The question now is who is a good candidate for the job?
Cowher?
Fischer?
Marriuchi?
Turner?
Green?
or somebody from college?
To bad the Tuna was to busy being stubborn and Tomlin passed right by.

 

[f14peter]

Originally Posted by Oceanists
32. 49ers
31. Ravens
30. Eagles
29. Cowboys (have him)
Makes 28 teams in the league that wish they could say TO would be in their uniform.
Thanks for the correction though.

True indeed, I must agree with that and will gladly stand corrected. I was only referring to teams that actually had their locker room infested with his cancerous antics.
I have had the (dubious) honor of seeing Owens on the sidelines and in the locker room back in his 49er days. This was when Jerry Rice was still with the team (Albeit out with his leg injury) and even then you would have thought that Owens clearly saw himself as not only the second-coming and heir apparent, but worthy of assuming the mantle of the best WR who ever graced the gridiron . . . and wasn't afraid to let anybody who listened aware of that fact.
You Cowboy fans just wait . . . it will happen, it's inevitable. Then you'll think you got a steal when he's offloaded for a nickel-package defensive back and a couple of mid-round draft picks. You'll even be happy if leaves as a free agent . . . no compensation is far better than keeping him.

 

[emmitt2]

Must be sad to have to try and downplay Emmitt and his career while at the same time trying to talk up Ricky Bell and Carnell Williams(less than 4300 yards rushing COMBINED :scared: ).
Emmitt was a top 5 all time back. Hmmm. am i joking or serious??? How self righteous of me to assert that Emmitt was one of the greatest RB's ever and irreplaceable

Only the alltime leading rusher, most rushing tds ever, 4 rushing titles, 3 rings, over 20,000 total yards, MVP, most 100 yard games,sure 1st ballot HOF'er. Real debatable

Heres some facts not opinions for ya:
Emmitt 164 career rushing td's
Top 5 RB's in bucs HISTORY: 162 rushing td's
Emmitt: 78 career 100 yard games
Top 20(thats right, 20!!!) rushers's in Buc's HISTORY: 78 career 100 yard games
Amazing but true. Check those numbers and lemme know if those are facts or opinions before talking about Emmitt and his place among the all time greats

 

[ruaround]

at what point did i downplay??? once again you made a mnt out of a mole hill my friend... i will state it one more time: i never said emmitt was replacable... i said how do you know the WOULDNT have gotten where they were with out him??? THEN i said its not even debatable because he was and they did what they did...
de ja vu this time...
:happyfish

 

[emmitt2]

No problem, i'll take the admission from you that even without the alltime leading rusher, you think we were so dominant overall that we may have won 3 titles even without him. Thats quite a compliment! I knew we were great, just didnt know we were that GREAT!!!
What you said was meant as an insult to Emmitt, you know it and meant it that way. You would never say, hey maybe SF wins those titles without Montana or Maybe Indy would be just as good without Manning. Its a backhanded insult to Emmitt to suggest the team could have been just as good or won just as much without him and downplays how great he was.
Thanks :happyfish

 

[sinaloa213]

its about time....

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
No problem, i'll take the admission from you that even without the alltime leading rusher, you think we were so dominant overall that we may have won 3 titles even without him. Thats quite a compliment! I knew we were great, just didnt know we were that GREAT!!!
What you said was meant as an insult to Emmitt, you know it and meant it that way. You would never say, hey maybe SF wins those titles without Montana or Maybe Indy would be just as good without Manning. Its a backhanded insult to Emmitt to suggest the team could have been just as good or won just as much without him and downplays how great he was.
Thanks :happyfish
dude... once again you have put your own objectives into my posts... well done you...
Maybe SF would have been better with Marino...or maybe the Dolphins with Montana... perhaps Indy would have 3 rings if they had Brady... but maybe the boys could have done it with Thurman Thomas...

 

[emmitt2]

Yeah, good analysis. Thurman's fumbles at every key point in a big game would have been a huge help to our title runs.
I think any Cowboy fan would say they were glad WE returned Thurman's fumble for a td and then let Emmitt dominate the Bills rather than have thurman fumbling for us then having to face Emmitt. Unless you didnt watch that game, dont think you could say the score would have been the same if the rb's were switched. Thurman choked(as he did the SB before) and Emmitt dominated. People forget that Blowout in SB 27 was mainly due to Thurmans fumble after Irvins score to make it 21-10. Thurman fumbled the next play, we scored again the next play and the rout was on.
As i said, insinuating Thurman could have done just as much as Emmitt is an insult. Thurman was a great back for alot years but not in Emmitts class. Choked when it mattered most and a complete non factor in SB's 26, 27 and 28, Emmitt never choked and fumbled away playoff games much less titles. Thurman did absolutely nothing against us except help hand us 2 titles on a silver platter with his butterfingers.

 

[oceanists]

As a cowboy fan AND an Emmitt Smith fan I would deffinately say he wouldnt have been great without the Oline those guys were monsterous out there. I think Emmitt gets to much credit for what was done in the rushing game.... when that Oline started to break up Emmitt got progressively worse. I used to think Emmitt was way better than Barry Sanders..... but if Barry had the Oline Emmitt had I think we would have seen a couple 2000 yard seasons

 

[1journeyman]

Emmitt, you've got a bad habit of misquoting people and "spinning" the conversation.
You said
Originally Posted by emmitt2
Yeah, i GUARANTEE that 4 years ago you were saying what a genius move it was to bring in Parcells and give him control...... "

to which I responded:
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
So what do I get when that guarantee is false? That strikes me as crazy to say you can "guarantee" what I was saying 4 years ago.
What I was actually saying when Parcells was brought here was "I wonder how long he will last" and "There's no way Jones is ever going to give up control of his team to a coach". "
then you respond with:
Originally Posted by emmitt2
So you are saying you didnt think Parcells was a good hire? I dont believe that for 1 second. I didnt hear 1 person anywhere who didnt think Parcells was a great hire, NOT ONE. Jones did give up control unless you are seriously trying to say Parcells was his puppet. No chance!..........
Please note I haven't addressed, in any of my posts, my opinions of Parcells. I have no concept of how you could read what I posted and come up with a conclusion as to my opinion on his coaching skills.
My opinion is that JJ is the puppeteer pulling the strings. You can certainly disagree with me if you like, but please don't misrepresent what I say.

 

[emmitt2]

Ok, so just so we are clear and no misquoting, you are saying Parcells was Jones puppet on a string for 4 years and all the ex pats and jets players were Jerrys moves. That certainly seems to be what you have said 3 times now. Lets hear you say that Parcells was just his puppet.
Weird, how Jerry kept forcing washed up ex jets and pats that Parcells loved on his "puppet" :notsure:
From all i have ever heard about Parcells past and present that seems highly unlikely.
Clear up all the confusion then and say that you thought Parcells was a bad hire and a bad coach 4 years ago since im "spinning" this to make it out like you agreed with everyone else on the planet 4 years ago that Parcells was a god of a coach and the best thing Jerry ever did.
You can have whatever "opinion" you want about who pulled the strings but that doesnt make it right and the FACTS are, since Parcells arrived we've signed:
Vinny
Bledsoe
Keyshawn
Terry Glenn
Aaron Glenn
Jason Fabini
Richie Anderson
Jason Ferguson
Dedric Ward
Bobby Carpenter
Thats just off the top of my head there are probably more
Wonder whose idea all those signings were? weird Jerry suddenly had such an attraction to ex jets and Pats :notsure:

 

[ice4ice]

Originally Posted by ruaround
lol... perhaps listing the players you do like and dont look goofy would be easier... we will just take an assumption that you hate all players mentioned from here on out...

Oh I don't hate all players at all. T.O. is one player I just can't stand ! There are other players that are just as good as T.O. or better. Granted, he is a good player until the big fat contract he gets and he acts as he can do whatever he pleases and get away with it. You know what they say : Money talks, BS walks. It goes the same with other players who get the big contracts and don't produce for what's he worth. Soon as they get the big-time contracts & the bucks - they slack off.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Emmitt, you've got a bad habit of misquoting people and "spinning" the conversation.
You said
to which I responded:
then you respond with:
Please note I haven't addressed, in any of my posts, my opinions of Parcells. I have no concept of how you could read what I posted and come up with a conclusion as to my opinion on his coaching skills.
My opinion is that JJ is the puppeteer pulling the strings. You can certainly disagree with me if you like, but please don't misrepresent what I say.
Since you have "no concept" of how I came up with your opinion of Parcell's coaching skills, I'll clear it up for ya. I didn't

Try rereading your own post!
I guaranteed you thought Jerry bringing Parcells in was a genius move -NOTICE, never said I guaranteed you thought he was a good COACH but that the move by JONES to bring him in was great since we were discussing Jones gm'ing and how no matter who he hires he takes heat. You said that guarantee was false. I responded with"you didnt think Parcells was a good hire?" You responded with your little petty insults rather than answer the actual questions since you had nothing to back your "opinion". I never asked or came up with your opinion of his coaching, i was referring at all times with you to Jerry's GM move to bring him in. That was the whole issue you and I were discussing, was it not :notsure: Please note i didn't ask, in any of my posts to you, your opinions of Parcells just your opinion of the hiring by Jerry.
Did i "SPIN" that , did i "misquote" that???? Or did you jump on the bandwagon because of your little differences with Jerry Jones and/or me rather than actually reading what i wrote??? Did the rolleyes icon really upset you that much?

Keep it coming

 

[ruaround]

wise man once said... better to keep your mouth closed and appear stupid rather than open your mouth and prove it...

 

[ruaround]

heres proof!!! Jerry Jones just hired Jason Garrett and the O-coordinater!!! i though it was typically the head coaches job to pick the coordinater... now they are talking to the likes of Norv Turner and Wade Phillips to "groom" Garrett into the head coaching job while acting as the head coach... this is a joke!!!
Jerry Jones = Puppet Master!!!

 

[oceanists]

I like the Jason Garret move , he has some knowledge. Not sure about making him a head coach though

 

[emmitt2]

I agree, Garrett is a very good choice for o-coordinator, imo. Not quite ready for a head coach presumably but the same could be said for alot of assistants who got a chance and are now successful. I would assume this means we will sign Wade phillips to be the head coach(unless by some miracle we get Lovie). Cant imagine wed get Turner since the offense is presumably Garrett's job now.
As far as proving Jerry is the puppetmaster, i love how the same point keeps getting ignored by the critics. If Jerry was Parcells puppetmaster:
1) how come Parcells had complete control over the draft?
2) why did we sign Jason Fabini, Jason Ferguson, aaron Glenn, richie Anderson and dedric ward in addition to Vinny, Bledsoe, Keyshawn and terry glenn?
Is anyone seriously saying those moves were anything other than 100% Parcells? I wanna hear someone say that It was Jerry's idea to bring in Vinny and then Bledsoe and forced those moves on Parcells

 

[ruaround]

some football knowledge... he was an Ivy League QB that went 0 - 10... he had only one game in the NFL that is close to remarkable...
answer to #1... how do you personally know that Parcells had "complete control"... i would say that his draftees were discussed and approved by the GM...
answer to #2... familiar with Parcells coaching style and his system/schemes...