Pick Up truck loaded with 23 passengers crashes in Texas

reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392399/pick-up-truck-loaded-with-23-passengers-crashes-in-texas/20#post_3484134
I would like to answer the question...It should not be our responsibilty. There should not be a border patrol. People should be allowed to go where they want and if they are willing to get a job they should be allowed to make the same money as everyone else doing that job. If the pay is the same, it evens the playing field, and folks will get and keep a job according to their willingness to work.
I know...
We don't live in that perfect world, what a shame. Our country did begin with that kind of mind set, but we lost it along the way somewhere. America was the place for new beginnings, a place where everyone could come and be welcome to set up shop and make a living. The cubans, the Mexicans, the Irish, the Jews, the Italians and well just about anyone except the Indians who were originally here.
I can't imagine sitting in the dark guarding the border and shooting at a family trying to find a better life. I could never look a person in the eye who just wants to make a living and send some money home for his family...and send him/her back empty handed. Nor does it make an iota of sense to have perfectly healthy people come here and be fed and clothed on the money others have to work hard for.
If we would quit giving away government services to illegals we wouldn't need a border patrol for anything other than drug and criminal activity enforcement. Those long waiting lines to come here is the reason we need to enforce our borders. Not only is it better for our country to draw from a diverse pool of immigrants it is unfair to those who respect our laws and get in line to just let people flood in over the border.
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392399/pick-up-truck-loaded-with-23-passengers-crashes-in-texas/20#post_3484144
If we would quit giving away government services to illegals we wouldn't need a border patrol for anything other than drug and criminal activity enforcement. Those long waiting lines to come here is the reason we need to enforce our borders. Not only is it better for our country to draw from a diverse pool of immigrants it is unfair to those who respect our laws and get in line to just let people flood in over the border.
Oh I know all of that. There really is no perfect answer. I think our Government does the best it can, If there was another answer, somebody lots smarter tham me would have tried it already. I was just rambling...you know the perfect world dream thing...
 
ironeagle2006

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Easy Punish those that Come across the Border Illegally 15 Years at Hard Labor like alot of Nations. Sending people back that have Overstayed Visas Ending the Guest Worker Programs. How about for the People that are going to be the 3rd Generation born to being on the Goverment Welfare Teet making them GO TO WORK even if it is Painting Curbs or Picking up trash in the roads for that Stipend they get from the Goverment. I know of a woman near me she has 5 Kids 3 differant Fathers for them. One of the Baby Daddies was killed for doing a B&E a few Years ago. Here is a list of all the Goverment Help she gets for herself and her KIDS. Food Stamps Medicaid Section 8 Housing Survior Benes for the 2 kids daddy 3 had with her Free Lunch for her kids. Plus LIHEP and a few other things for Free all paid for by the Taxpayers of the State and Federal Goverment.
Yet she screams she needs more help from the Goverment and her Daughter last I heard was trying to GET Pregnant to get her the Help she needed at 15.
 
mantisman51

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Arizona is probably getting out of the Medicaid racquet altogether. Here it's called AHCCCS and it is being abused so badly that it alone accounts for 80% of the $2 billion deficit we had to cut things like schools and highway programs to keep it going. So our Senate President said next legislative session, he is going to propose a bill to kill it 100% and let the corrupt Feds fund it 100%. And he said he might also propose ending all state support and funding for welfare and food stamps and let the Feds take over that gravy train, too. I hope he has the testicular fortitude to see it through. Then the last 1/2 of illegals still here would scurry like roaches over to Kalifornia.
 
darthtang aw

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Arizona is probably getting out of the Medicaid racquet altogether. Here it's called AHCCCS and it is being abused so badly that it alone accounts for 80% of the $2 billion deficit we had to cut things like schools and highway programs to keep it going. So our Senate President said next legislative session, he is going to propose a bill to kill it 100% and let the corrupt Feds fund it 100%. And he said he might also propose ending all state support and funding for welfare and food stamps and let the Feds take over that gravy train, too. I hope he has the testicular fortitude to see it through. Then the last 1/2 of illegals still here would scurry like roaches over to Kalifornia.
Or New Mexico.....thanks for nothing.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392399/pick-up-truck-loaded-with-23-passengers-crashes-in-texas/20#post_3484135
Absolutely true, all of it. Now, no one that I know has advocated shooting people as they come over the border, much less tried it. That's just silly stuff people like Bionic say because they think it has emotional impact. Let me ask you, Flower, since we can't take all 5 billion or so poor people who want to come here and have immigration laws to make it fair to all the poor who can't feed their families, why should Mexicans be given special access that Indians or Kenyans or Chinese or Ukranians or any other nationality or race are given? By saying that because they're poor and we shouldn't turn them away, we are saying that they are above the law and every other race on earth. So what makes Mexicans so special and untouchable that they should be granted unfettered access while every other race and nationality has to wait for years, LIKE MY FAMILY DID? Why is their poor so special that the gate should be opened while we close it for everyone else?
It's called "convenience" Kenyans, Chinese, or Ukranians can't simple swim across a shallow river and ebter this country like Mexicans can.
Your family waited YEARS to come here?
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006 http:///t/392399/pick-up-truck-loaded-with-23-passengers-crashes-in-texas/40#post_3484171
Easy Punish those that Come across the Border Illegally 15 Years at Hard Labor like alot of Nations. Sending people back that have Overstayed Visas Ending the Guest Worker Programs. How about for the People that are going to be the 3rd Generation born to being on the Goverment Welfare Teet making them GO TO WORK even if it is Painting Curbs or Picking up trash in the roads for that Stipend they get from the Goverment. I know of a woman near me she has 5 Kids 3 differant Fathers for them. One of the Baby Daddies was killed for doing a B&E a few Years ago. Here is a list of all the Goverment Help she gets for herself and her KIDS. Food Stamps Medicaid Section 8 Housing Survior Benes for the 2 kids daddy 3 had with her Free Lunch for her kids. Plus LIHEP and a few other things for Free all paid for by the Taxpayers of the State and Federal Goverment.
Yet she screams she needs more help from the Goverment and her Daughter last I heard was trying to GET Pregnant to get her the Help she needed at 15.
Can you say stereotyping?
 
mantisman51

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http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011
There is a study by the state of Kalifornia that shows overall 80% of illegals(same number as legal immigrants) get some form of government assistance-be it welfare, food stamps, housing, or medical. The above study states that 57% use food stamps and/or Medicaid. So it's a no-brainer that they are sucking up Section 8 and welfare also. I don't have to stereotype them, they are doing that well enough for themselves and why my home state is seriously considering ending all these programs so they don't have to cover the huge cost the Feds have pushed on states. Really? The genius is now going to claim illegals don't use social programs far more aften than citizens? Hm. OK.
 
mantisman51

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My great grandfather had to wait 2 1/2 years to get his immigration papers. And unlike the people marching through the streets with Mexican flags, he said the greatest day of his life was when he was sworn in as an American citizen and never called himself Irish again. If you asked him what nationality he was, he proudly would say, "American". And he discouraged his family from identifying themselves as anything, but American. Atzatlan.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392399/pick-up-truck-loaded-with-23-passengers-crashes-in-texas/40#post_3484227
My great grandfather had to wait 2 1/2 years to get his immigration papers. And unlike the people marching through the streets with Mexican flags, he said the greatest day of his life was when he was sworn in as an American citizen and never called himself Irish again. If you asked him what nationality he was, he proudly would say, "American". And he discouraged his family from identifying themselves as anything, but American. Atzatlan.
Was he waiting in Ireland for those papers or in the US? That 2 1/2 years is now 10. Think you'd be in the Good Ole US of A if he had to wait that long to come here?
 
bionicarm

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cOriginally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392399/pick-up-truck-loaded-with-23-passengers-crashes-in-texas/40#post_3484226
http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011
There is a study by the state of Kalifornia that shows overall 80% of illegals(same number as legal immigrants) get some form of government assistance-be it welfare, food stamps, housing, or medical. The above study states that 57% use food stamps and/or Medicaid. So it's a no-brainer that they are sucking up Section 8 and welfare also. I don't have to stereotype them, they are doing that well enough for themselves and why my home state is seriously considering ending all these programs so they don't have to cover the huge cost the Feds have pushed on states. Really? The genius is now going to claim illegals don't use social programs far more aften than citizens? Hm. OK.
Interesting how there's 80% illegals on welfare, yet the Arizona statute listing requirements for welfare eligibilty clearly states you have to be a LEGAL US Resident in order to apply. So you either has some real ignorant people running that program (which wouldn't surprise me), or I guess you'll create another conspiracy saying all these people have fake ID's proving they're legal:
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392399/pick-up-truck-loaded-with-23-passengers-crashes-in-texas/40#post_3484251
Interesting how there's 80% illegals on welfare, yet the Arizona statute listing requirements for welfare eligibilty clearly states you have to be a LEGAL US Resident in order to apply. So you either has some real ignorant people running that program (which wouldn't surprise me), or I guess you'll create another conspiracy saying all these people have fake ID's proving they're legal:
http://law.justia.com/codes/arizona/2005/title46/00233.html
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392399/pick-up-truck-loaded-with-23-passengers-crashes-in-texas/40#post_3484251
Interesting how there's 80% illegals on welfare, yet the Arizona statute listing requirements for welfare eligibilty clearly states you have to be a LEGAL US Resident in order to apply. So you either has some real ignorant people running that program (which wouldn't surprise me), or I guess you'll create another conspiracy saying all these people have fake ID's proving they're legal:
School lunches and that type of stuff has no restrictions. If the Illegal has one anchor baby then they can collect welfare.
 
darthtang aw

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Interesting how there's 80% illegals on welfare, yet the Arizona statute listing requirements for welfare eligibilty clearly states you have to be a LEGAL US Resident in order to apply.  So you either has some real ignorant people running that program (which wouldn't surprise me), or I guess you'll create another conspiracy saying all these people have fake ID's proving they're legal:
he said california...not arizona.....pay attention instead of trying to play gotcha.
 
mantisman51

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The state of Arizona can only enforce the citizen-only for AFDC, but everything else the Feds stepped in and forced them to give it to illegals-something you would love. And the reason is(drum roll, please) "children of illegals shouldn't be punished for what their parents do". So we are being forced by the Feds to support criminal aliens. So getting out of the welfare business will save us billion$, and it will force the Feds to pony up, or shut up.
 
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Why are we even arguing about this?
What is wrong is wrong. Regardless of how nicely you sugar coat it. Republicans, Democrat or liberal or non liberal or whatever or whoever you are. What is illegal is illegal and shouldn't be excused.
It's unfortunate that people were killed and specially the children since they don't know anything better but the adults made the choice and the poor children had to suffer for it. It's their fault.
That is settled.
First of all, I'm Korean/American immigrant and have gone through the immigration process like a normal people so please don't think that I'm being ignorant and giving out biased opinion.
Both my sister and I waited 4 years before we were able to come to US to be reunited with my dad when I was 9. I have paid my taxes since I was 16 and haven't missed it since.
I'm proud to live here and I'm proud to call myself American. As an immigrant, I can't stand it when people come here illegally, taking what naturally belongs to people here and drain out economy.
I have "friends" who are not so close with me any more after I found out that they are doing. Came here illegally, have a baby (medicaid) food stamp/wic for the baby (while getting money from their parents for support), working under the table, no tax, just draining our economy like parasites they are lucky that I don't call ICE on them to get them deported.
Too cold? They have no reason to be here in first place and if they didn't come I wouldn't have to be cold in first place so I blame it on them.
I work in a poor neighborhoods and I see many good people desperate for jobs but that can't compete with these low wage illegal immigrants and it infuriates me. Why does our own have to suffer for someone else that shouldn't even be here? Being here is a privilege and you have to earn it just like how you have to earn your keeps other wise it's stealing and I do not condone thievery of any kind.
Whatever Mexico's wealthy people this and that means jack squat to me because it's in Mexico not here. What matters to me is what goes around here and our economy and well being of our citizens and our residents. Afghanistan, Iraq where ever it is, I don't care. We shouldn't spend money on policing other countries and minding their business. Instead, we need to focus on more on our own country. Our own children/young adults needs better education, better school food and adults need jobs, we need more police and it's more important to us Americans then whatever has to go on over there.
Just my 2 cents.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Siptang http:///t/392399/pick-up-truck-loaded-with-23-passengers-crashes-in-texas/40#post_3484484
Why are we even arguing about this?
What is wrong is wrong. How nicely you sugar coat it. Republicans, Democrat or liberal or non liberal or whatever or whoever you are. What is illegal is illegal and shouldn't be excused.
It's unfortunate that people were killed and specially the children since they don't know anything better but the adults made the choice and the poor children had to suffer for it. It's their fault.
That is settled.
First of all, I'm Korean/American immigrant and have gone through the immigration process like a normal people so please don't think that I'm being ignorant and giving out biased opinion.
Both my sister and I waited 4 years before we were able to come to US to be reunited with my dad when I was 9. I have paid my taxes since I was 16 and haven't missed it since.
I'm proud to live here and I'm proud to call myself American. As an immigrant, I can't stand it when people come here illegally, taking what naturally belongs to people here and drain out economy.
I have "friends" who are not so close with me any more after I found out that they are doing. Came here illegally, have a baby (medicaid) food stamp/wic for the baby (while getting money from their parents for support), working under the table, no tax, just draining our economy like parasites they are lucky that I don't call ICE on them to get them deported.
Too cold? They have no reason to be here in first place and if they didn't come I wouldn't have to be cold in first place so I blame it on them.
I work in a poor neighborhoods and I see many good people desperate for jobs but that can't compete with these low wage illegal immigrants and it infuriates me. Why does our own have to suffer for someone else that shouldn't even be here? Being here is a privilege and you have to earn it just like how you have to earn your keeps other wise it's stealing and I do not condone thievery of any kind.
Whatever Mexico's wealthy people this and that means jack squat to me because it's in Mexico not here. What matters to me is what goes around here and our economy and well being of our citizens and our residents. Afghanistan, Iraq where ever it is, I don't care. We shouldn't spend money on policing other countries and minding their business. Instead, we need to focus on more on our own country. Our own children/young adults needs better education, better school food and adults need jobs, we need more police and it's more important to us Americans then whatever has to go on over there.
Just my 2 cents.
You are my Hero Sip.
You are what the left doesn't understand. An Honest hard working American who came here the right way. You have very impressively articulated the problems illegals cause and offer a prospective many people don't seem to understand.
 
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