Please don't vote for McCain

darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2469883
Iraq was/is a front to fight terrorism overseas... Iraq didn't have WMD's. They may have given the impression, but I believe they did this because of their fear of Iran.
I hear this a lot lately....I also hear we don't want to fight Iran either. But stop and think about it. How evil must a country be if Sadaam fears them so much he would FAKE having WMDs and take option B and have the U.S. attack him, capture him, and then hand him over for trial.
Please, stop and think about how stupid that argument is.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2470165
i dunno, i agree that there's tax burdens, but remember, most of those tax dollars are being spent to dirty rotten defense contracts, but the money is staying in the states, creating jobs and more taxes.
now, stop spending money on aids and farmer support in third world countries, and you'll see a real tax burden dropped.
personally, as long as the war is keeping me home at night, able to sleep with my baby on the way, my dog at the foot of the bed, my wife next to me, my fish tank in the living room, and everything else right in my tiny little world, keep it in iraq and afghanistan.
unfortuantely the programs are needed and we should continue them. I think we should have devoted more time/effort/troops to Afganistan and a new idea I've heard of late is to reinvest into our infrastructure to boost our economy instead of the rebate checks. I just think our military could have been used more effectively and the Bush plans have turned us down the wrong path.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2470179
I hear this a lot lately....I also hear we don't want to fight Iran either. But stop and think about it. How evil must a country be if Sadaam fears them so much he would FAKE having WMDs and take option B and have the U.S. attack him, capture him, and then hand him over for trial.
Please, stop and think about how stupid that argument is.
They did have like a 10 year war in the 80's didn't they?
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2470170
I'm really amazed that folks think the war in Iraq will end the day a Dem president gets in office.

Even worse... what will happen if we leave Iraq?
*Terrorists will attack contractors so that they will be forced to leave.
*Terrorists will hit State Department until they are forced to leave.
*Terrorists will hit private Relief Agencies until they leave.
*Terrorists, aided by Syria and Iran, will start a civil war.
Leading to:
*Iraq will break apart.
*Oil production will falter. Prices will go up-further slowing our eceonmy.
*Kurds will declare independence.
*Turkey will invade Kurdish region to stamp out the PKK.
Leading too:
*Iran's influence in region will grow.
*Rift in NATO as Turkey will have to be expelled.
*Terrorists will move to Afghanistan and elsewhere...
How does this lead to a more stable planet?
 
fishzen

fishzen

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2469999
I've been to the former Yugoslavia recently (Macedonia).
It took years, but you now have a viable nation working towards admittance into both NATO and the EU.
I'm not denying the progress done in that region, however much blood was spilled between people that just could not stand each other.
The point is our military is keeping together a country that in my opinion would split after we leave being 10 15 or 20 years from now. I just wish the Iraquis would put the pedal to the metal and stabilize their country.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2470177
i'd say the "covering every american" is a start...
LOL, thank you!
It's right there... He says his plan will cover every American and regulate insurance prices!!!
Rylan, how do you not see that? It's Obama speaking, taken from Obama's webpage...
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by fishzen
http:///forum/post/2470191
I'm not denying the progress done in that region, however much blood was spilled between people that just could not stand each other.
The point is our military is keeping together a country that in my opinion would split after we leave being 10 15 or 20 years from now. I just wish the Iraquis would put the pedal to the metal and stabilize their country.
No, I understand and agree.
My point is, NATO troops were able to provide stability until the country could form their own Democracy. I fully believe the same can occur in Iraq. I support my opinion based on the huge numbers of Iraqi's that vote.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2470192
LOL, thank you!
It's right there... He says his plan will cover every American and regulate insurance prices!!!
Rylan, how do you not see that? It's Obama speaking, taken from Obama's webpage...
"She (Clinton)also said Obama favors a mandate for coverage of children, a point she said made no sense. "If you believe you can enforce a mandate on children, that means you enforce the mandate on the parents of the children to enroll the children. So why would you leave out the parents?"
Clinton's plan requires all Americans to obtain health insurance. Those without it would be able to choose from among options that are currently available to members of Congress.
Obama says there actually are numerous similarities between his plan and hers, and that by doing more to lower overall costs, his approach would wind up with everyone covered."
His plan mandates for children, but not for adults which his website states, it says nothing about an adult mandate, and it allows people upto 25 to remain on parent's policy.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2470184
unfortuantely the programs are needed and we should continue them. I think we should have devoted more time/effort/troops to Afganistan and a new idea I've heard of late is to reinvest into our infrastructure to boost our economy instead of the rebate checks. I just think our military could have been used more effectively and the Bush plans have turned us down the wrong path.
I think instead of paying farmers not to grow crops we should buy what they raise and offer it as foriegn aid. We can do the same with most aid we offer. US farmers, ranchers, manufactueres etc. would benefit from commodity based aid. At least we the people would see a bit of a tangible benefit from it that way.
 
renogaw

renogaw

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so.... what are my political views considered? (i'm serious... i have no clue how to classify myself...)
 
fishzen

fishzen

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2470197
No, I understand and agree.
My point is, NATO troops were able to provide stability until the country could form their own Democracy. I fully believe the same can occur in Iraq. I support my opinion based on the huge numbers of Iraqi's that vote.
OK, many Iraqis vote, but as soon as we leave the religious extremists are going to fuel division, no matter how strong the democracy is, these people do not think like easterners, they are fanatics for their religion and their sect. I don't think Iraq is going to exist as we know it today.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2470206
I think instead of paying farmers not to grow crops we should buy what they raise and offer it as foriegn aid. We can do the same with most aid we offer. US farmers, ranchers, manufactueres etc. would benefit from commodity based aid. At least we the people would see a bit of a tangible benefit from it that way.
I can agree with that
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2470201
"She (Clinton)also said Obama favors a mandate for coverage of children...
Quit comparing his plan to Hillary's. I'm arguing against his plan, not for hers.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
...His plan mandates for children, but not for adults which his website states, it says nothing about an adult mandate, and it allows people upto 25 to remain on parent's policy.
My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount of money you will spend on premiums
please explain the obvious contradiction.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by fishzen
http:///forum/post/2470219
OK, many Iraqis vote, but as soon as we leave the religious extremists are going to fuel division, no matter how strong the democracy is, these people do not think like easterners, they are fanatics for their religion and their sect. I don't think Iraq is going to exist as we know it today.
Well, that probably sums up our differences. I believe they can be changed.
 
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