"Redistribution of Wealth"

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2815006
I really wonder what the big deal is. Now, the lowest income earner in this country who pays taxes is paying 10%. Those who make the most money, now pay 35%. That is already inequitable, and a redistribution of wealth. So what is different with what Obama is saying??

For the sake of argument,let say your assessment is correct.The one who make the most pay 35% and the ones who make the least pay 10%.The difference in Obama's plan is this....
There isn't a difference so i guess he is George Bush.
Realistically though he wants to hike the taxes on the wealthiest and then he will hike the taxes on the middle class and the lower to pay for the $1 trillion hes gonna need for his agenda. Then the economy will crash and all the democrats will blame someone else.
McCain wants to cut taxes for everyone and freeze spending. In doing so promoting growth in the small and big business sector .With a spending freeze we can stop the spiraling deficit and work on rebuilding a surplus.

 

[reefreak29]

all you need to do is look at how great the economy was up until the dems took over the house and senate.

man people so easily forget history. the last time the dems had this much power was during the carter administration, look how well that worked

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2815006
I really wonder what the big deal is. Now, the lowest income earner in this country who pays taxes is paying 10%. Those who make the most money, now pay 35%. That is already inequitable, and a redistribution of wealth. So what is different with what Obama is saying??

No difference Beth, it's just a dodge to divert attention from the real problem./ We must reduce spending. There is no other way out of the hole we are in.
It seems obvious to me that when you are in a hole the best strategy is to stop digging. I'm amazed at how many people truly believe that it's possible to dig yourself out of a hole.

 

[scotts]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2814510
Read the quote again... He specifically talks about how the courts were not used.
Police and the military, as well as libraries, highways, and other public services are in no way a redistribution of wealth.
Nor is my paycheck a form of it.
Public services offer everyone a return equally. My job was an open contract bid that I had to qualify for. My qualification was in no way determined by my skin color or gender.
I cannot comment on your grant process.
Holy Moly there is so much that could be said about this....
First of all, by definition, anything the govt. spends money on is a redistribution of wealth. As Beth said, They are taking 35% of my wife's paycheck and using it for something, including your paycheck.
If by your definition a public service is NOT a redistribution of wealth, then how can you not call health insurance for every american a public service, and therefore NOT a redistribution of wealth. So in fact it should be a good thing.
However you have to admit and realize that you are being paid with our tax money.

 

[scotts]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2815067
to pay for the $1 trillion hes gonna need for his agenda. Then the economy will crash and all the democrats will blame someone else.
Funny isn't that what we are doing right now? Paying $1 trillion and the economy is crashing?
McCain wants to cut taxes for everyone and freeze spending. In doing so promoting growth in the small and big business sector .With a spending freeze we can stop the spiraling deficit and work on rebuilding a surplus.
The last surplus that I remember was under the Clinton admin.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2815006
I really wonder what the big deal is. Now, the lowest income earner in this country who pays taxes is paying 10%. Those who make the most money, now pay 35%. That is already inequitable, and a redistribution of wealth. So what is different with what Obama is saying??

About 40% of workers pay no income taxes now. Many of those get earned income credit payments back so they are actually already getting welfare, as much as 4500 bucks or there about. I have no issue with that program. Obama wants to expand it. That is rediculous. This is Obama's political philosophy, take away from the rich and give the money to people who can't figure out they don't need more welfare, they need a decent job or the training to get one.

 

[sickboy]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2814602
Here it is in a nut shell ,and tell me where im wrong on my logic here.
Federal Government increases tax on the top 5% of Businesses.So what happens?Does the top 5%
1.Be "Patriotic" and pay the taxes.
2.Pass the cost on to the consumer.
3.Layoff employees or worse even close its doors.
4.Move to other countries that will take less and and pay non American workers less.
If someone could answer these questions for me ,and tell me how this doesn't effect me as a lower middle class citizen,i will gladly shut up and start whistling the Star Spangled Banner until November 4th.
Where is this crazy idea that business tax will change??? For anyone who doesn't know, Personal income tax and Corporate Income Tax are completely seperate from eachother.

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2815276
Where is this crazy idea that business tax will change??? For anyone who doesn't know, Personal income tax and Corporate Income Tax are completely seperate from eachother.

From Obama's website.

 

[sickboy]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2814769
OBAMA TALKED ABOUT REDISTRIBUTION!!! Did you bother to listen to or read any of the interview?
Good Heavens, are you so enamored you refuse to acknowledge Obama's own words???
So did McCain, just he didn't use the trigger words that set you all off. If he is going to tax people to pay the bank for bad loans, that my friend is redistribution. Why should those of us in the Midwest (Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, and South Dakota) who have been diligent in our spending habits and our housing prices have actually increased as opposed to the rest of the country have to pay for those on the coasts who borrowed to much/speculated too much???
Because we are all Americans!!! And if we don't, we have a good chance of our nation collapsing. Am I happy about it? NO. But what can you do? There should have been more regulation IMO.
Its like you think we enjoy paying taxes, but some things have to be done. Those who wanted the war in Iraq now don't want to pay for it, thats what gets me the most. If: A) we never went there, or B) we raised our taxes to balance the budget, we wouldn't be having to talk about raising anyones taxes in this election.

 

[sickboy]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2815285
From Obama's website.
Well, that's news to me, and if its true, I'm not for it. Still won't counter act everything I don't like about McCain, but makes me like Obama a little less.....

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Scotts
http:///forum/post/2815133
The last surplus that I remember was under the Clinton admin.
I think you could make a better argument there if McCain was running against Hillary.However McCain is running against Senator Government AKA Barack the wealth spreader.
Look forward not backward.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Redistribution of wealth= taking money from someone who earned it and giving it to someone who didn't.
Doesn't sound America to me.

 

[tang master]

Barack the cocaine user, gun banner, nation destroyer, Socialist(unless your rich, you will be poor), person who cant even submit a valid birth certificate(therefore cannot be president), and overall idiot. Yeah, just what we need. The only "Change" well have is the change in our pockets(if he can submit a valid birth certificate)!

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2814064
I rarely, rarely ever start a thread, but this caught my attention. Senator Obama, speaking about redistribution of wealth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
Transcript here:http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2116149/posts
In part he says "But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that."
So is that the "change" he is always talking about?
Listen to the interview or read the transcript...
Obama spokesman Bill Burton on Monday accused FOX News of pushing a "fake news controversy" to further an agenda.
"This is a fake news controversy drummed up by the all too common alliance of FOX News, the Drudge Report and John McCain, who apparently decided to close out his campaign with the same false, desperate attacks that have failed for months," Burton said in a written statement Monday. "In this seven-year-old interview, Senator Obama did not say that the courts should get into the business of redistributing wealth at all."

 

[veni vidi vici]

And here is the real gut buster

In a heated interview later on FOX News, Burton accused the channel of giving McCain advertising "for free every single day," and trying to "continually trump up these fake controversies and have folks on to talk about things that don't have anything to do with the issues that are important to the American people."
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...buting-wealth/

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Tang Master
http:///forum/post/2815369
Barack the cocaine user, gun banner, nation destroyer, Socialist(unless your rich, you will be poor), person who cant even submit a valid birth certificate(therefore cannot be president), and overall idiot. Yeah, just what we need. The only "Change" well have is the change in our pockets(if he can submit a valid birth certificate)!
You left out "The Messiah",
"The One "
and the infamous
"That One"

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2815383
You left out "The Messiah",
"The One "
and the infamous
"That One"

That one, isn't that code for he's black?
I have heard from a reliable source that Obama has officially been endorsed by the black panthers, the entire continent of Africa, Jamaica, pockets in the middle-east who have been listening to right wing radio and have been brainwashed to believe he is indeed a Muslim and there are reports that Marx has made communications from the other side to support Obama

 

[reefraff]

Well Iran an Hamas endorsed Obama. I imagine that thug Obama went to Africa to campaign for probably has to, You may not be that far off.

 

[sickboy]

Originally Posted by Tang Master
http:///forum/post/2815369
Barack the cocaine user, gun banner, nation destroyer, Socialist(unless your rich, you will be poor), person who cant even submit a valid birth certificate(therefore cannot be president), and overall idiot. Yeah, just what we need. The only "Change" well have is the change in our pockets(if he can submit a valid birth certificate)!
-Bush used cocaine
-IMO Bush has destroyed a couple nations, US and Iraq
-Where have you been on the Birth Certificate thing? Already been shown.
-Bush idiot
-McCain ranked in the bottom 5 of his naval class= idiot
-Socialist? How nationalized AIG? Oh yeah, Bush...
Granted I'm not to hot on Obama's gun restrictions, I like my guns.

 

[sickboy]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2815501
Well Iran an Hamas endorsed Obama. I imagine that thug Obama went to Africa to campaign for probably has to, You may not be that far off.

I heard an interesting idea on this whole thing about Al Queda and gang endorsing Obama:
They want to endorse Obama, like they did Kerry, to scary the Americans into voting in the other guy b/c with the war mongering republicans in power its easier to paint the US as evil.
Just something I heard. I won't believe it unless Bin Hidin (at the bush ranch) shows his face and gives another endorsement.