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reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
The outing of a CIA agent who's husband was going to say something about the admin is more serious than an affair. There has been a lot of scandalous actions made by this admin.
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It was John Negroponte (SP?) who was against the Iraq war that leaked Plame's name.
Now for who actually lied in the whole deal.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Jul9.html
By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 10, 2004; Page A09
"Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.
The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address."
The report states that a CIA official told the Senate committee that Plame "offered up" Wilson's name for the Niger trip, then on Feb. 12, 2002, sent a memo to a deputy chief in the CIA's Directorate of Operations saying her husband "has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." The next day, the operations official cabled an overseas officer seeking concurrence with the idea of sending Wilson, the report said.
Wilson has asserted that his wife was not involved in the decision to send him to Niger.
"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote in a memoir published this year. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."
Wilson stood by his assertion in an interview yesterday, saying Plame was not the person who made the decision to send him. Of her memo, he said: "I don't see it as a recommendation to send me."
"The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."
"Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the 'dates were wrong and the names were wrong' when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports," the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have "misspoken" to reporters. The documents -- purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq -- were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger."
"Wilson's reports to the CIA added to the evidence that Iraq may have tried to buy uranium in Niger, although officials at the State Department remained highly skeptical, the report said.
Wilson said that a former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Assane Mayaki, was unaware of any sales contract with Iraq, but said that in June 1999 a businessman approached him, insisting that he meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq -- which Mayaki interpreted to mean they wanted to discuss yellowcake sales
. A report CIA officials drafted after debriefing Wilson said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to UN sanctions on Iraq."
According to the former Niger mining minister, Wilson told his CIA contacts, Iraq tried to buy 400 tons of uranium in 1998."
If you really want to know what the Wilson's real motives were this offers some interesting information with references but is incredibly long
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1526309/posts
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Tarball
Get real people, Pakistan & Saudi arabia have always been the greatest state thats supporting terrorism in our history as known.

Oh man, I needed a good laugh!
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
Yes I have listened to the politicians, & its become a unanimous decision they feel betrayed by Bush & his so called intelligence.
Your laughable, "its become a unanimous decision they feel betrayed by Bush & his so called intelligence." You mean democrats. And the ones who didn't, (Zell Miller and Lieberman) were hung like witches. That is an example of what happens when you get off the democrat reservation. I have no sympathy for the "fooled democrats." Are they that stupid? Fooled by a moron? Don't forget congress voted twice approve the use of force in iraq. They have no business in office if they couldn't see through Bush's tom foolery.
And stop drinking the coolaid.
 

tarball

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Show me exactly ONE quote from Clinton saying he bombed "unknown" facilities in 1998. One... that's all I'm asking for.
I've quoted President Clinton's exact words... Nowhere did he say "unknown".

You're dragging what I said out of context. What I said was very clear. The buildings were not as expected. That means they didn't know what they were. That makes them unknown. Unless clinton wanted to blow some buildings up for a show of power & threat. Could be..
 

1journeyman

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Ironically, they now feel betrayed when public opinion is not with them... Funny how those same leaders, acting on Intel during President Clinton, were all for taking out Saddam when the thought of war was popular.
The rest of your post needs a lot more facts and a lot less rhetoric.
 

tarball

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Originally Posted by reefraff

Oh man, I needed a good laugh!
You're quite ill informed aren't you. Those 2 Government have extremely radical religious governments. Where do you think the Taliban & al qaeda came from.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
You're dragging what I said out of context. What I said was very clear. The buildings were not as expected. That means they didn't know what they were. That makes them unknown. Unless clinton wanted to blow some buildings up for a show of power & threat. Could be..
BUT, Clinton SAID he knew what they were...
What is the difference between his "lies" and President Bush's "lies"? (Other than political affiliation of course)
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Tarball
You're quite ill informed aren't you. Those 2 Government have extremely radical religious governments. Where do you think the Taliban & al qaeda came from.
That is a funny distinction, came from Saudi, but not from Iraq...

you need to listen to your self talk.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by reefraff

Oh man, I needed a good laugh!
I'll read your post in a minute... I've hearing in recent news that many of Bush's or White House records are missing.. and they are wondering what we can do about it.... I heard the suggestion that he won't be able to charge admission to his library... but legally not sure what we can do.
Has anyone heard anything about these missing records?
 

tarball

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Ironically, they now feel betrayed when public opinion is not with them... Funny how those same leaders, acting on Intel during President Clinton, were all for taking out Saddam when the thought of war was popular.
The rest of your post needs a lot more facts and a lot less rhetoric.
Not rhetoric, its unfolding before you & your vanity blinds you.
If you want facts I can start Posting links for proof. But, people like you would refuse it. No matter how factual or piercing. What would be facts to you?
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
The outing of a CIA agent who's husband was going to say something about the admin is more serious than an affair. There has been a lot of scandalous actions made by this admin.
Since 1998 there have 5.4 million people killed in Congo. This is the most serious human rights tragedy in the world, yet it gets no attention. We act like we are the World Police, but we do nothing here except maybe throw a little money towards the situation... We give 10 Billion to Pakistan... This rivals Holocust/WWII deaths.
In regards to Colin Powell I think he resigned because his conscience was unconfortable w the lies and misleading of facts by this Admin... And the fact that he hasn't come out and said anything tells me that his reasons are much more than he wanted to retire from public life. IMO it says alot by the way he resigned and the timing.
I won't address the Wilson/Plame fiasco. It's already been commented on. Any type of research on your part, to any small degree will show you that the Admin did not "out" a CIA covert agent.
Congo is a civil war. It's a tragedy taking place under the banner of the UN. I said in another post that I'd love to see American boots on the ground in Africa. However, until our Nation comes to realize that war is an ugly thing where people die we can't go into Africa. Can you imagine what Murtha, Kerry, Obama and other leading Democrats would say the first time the media showed a picture of a dead 12 year old boy holding an AK47? The Democrats would crucify our soldiers for having to kill the children who act as militias....
Over 100 million died in WW2 and the aftermath of WW2. Congo is not quite there yet...
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
BUT, Clinton SAID he knew what they were...
What is the difference between his "lies" and President Bush's "lies"? (Other than political affiliation of course)
No difference. because after this whole campaign thing. I see he has the capability to mislead the facts. I like Clinton, but I want the new prez to be honest, if we don't need to know just say that.
 

stdreb27

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and if you are going to debate something, at least make a half way decent effort at being informed like rylan. I may not agree with his conclusions, but aleast i can see where he is coming from.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Tarball
Not rhetoric, its unfolding before you & your vanity blinds you.
If you want facts I can start Posting links for proof. But, people like you would refuse it. No matter how factual or piercing. What would be facts to you?
Please post facts... I and other's on my side of the aisle aren't afraid of them.
Understand, however, at some point you are going to have to start refuting our facts....
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
...Has anyone heard anything about these missing records?
Have they checked Hillary's desk? The last time a government agency lost files (FBI) that's where they were found...
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I won't address the Wilson/Plame fiasco. It's already been commented on. Any type of research on your part, to any small degree will show you that the Admin did not "out" a CIA covert agent.
Congo is a civil war. It's a tragedy taking place under the banner of the UN. I said in another post that I'd love to see American boots on the ground in Africa. However, until our Nation comes to realize that war is an ugly thing where people die we can't go into Africa. Can you imagine what Murtha, Kerry, Obama and other leading Democrats would say the first time the media showed a picture of a dead 12 year old boy holding an AK47? The Democrats would crucify our soldiers for having to kill the children who act as militias....
Over 100 million died in WW2 and the aftermath of WW2. Congo is not quite there yet...
I agree w/ you about the kids in the militias... Its sad because more people have died there than in any other conflict since wwII... (is that accurate?) I just think its hypocritical...we get invloved in things we shouldn't, but ignore blantant things that really need our attention.
Did you know you can get a ak47 for $20 there. Which is less than a cell phone?
 

tarball

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
BUT, Clinton SAID he knew what they were...
What is the difference between his "lies" and President Bush's "lies"? (Other than political affiliation of course)
The fact they weren't WMD facilities only lesson the fact of them being there. Which was obvious before bush's invasion.
You continue to drag the point out of scope.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
I'll read your post in a minute... I've hearing in recent news that many of Bush's or White House records are missing.. and they are wondering what we can do about it.... I heard the suggestion that he won't be able to charge admission to his library... but legally not sure what we can do.
Has anyone heard anything about these missing records?
They are emails from the beginning of the first term. The white house give a plausable explanation that their doc control was backing up the data to tape but for the purposes of data recovery. And recorded back over the tapes to do different backup. Interestingly enough, they changed their practices on their own (without a public outcry telling them to do so) which makes this explination believable. And this was standard practice during the previous admin as well.
The dems cry cover up, that they were intentionally deleting emails, to hide something.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
The fact they weren't WMD facilities only lesson the fact of them being there. Which was obvious before bush's invasion.
You continue to drag the point out of scope.
Where are your links, and you have yet to comment on the link I provided....
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
The fact they weren't WMD facilities only lesson the fact of them being there. Which was obvious before bush's invasion.
You continue to drag the point out of scope.
It was, did you not read clintons speech I posted earlier in the thread? How stupid do you think we are?
And how dumb is your democrat congress if it was SOOO OBVIOUS that there were no wmd's. To vote for it anyway?
 
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