Republican Candidates

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
I never knew Obama was a republican candidate....
I might be nice to keep the discussion of Obama, tax, health care, etc... to another thread. That would be the polite thing to do I think..
But if I am wrong let me know so we can start talking about Mr. Nader...
So is founding fathers, christianity, christmas, and whatever else relevant? Nader is not even a candidate... and Obama is worthy of mentioning because he is getting GOP votes and may be the person you face. It also seems most of you are republicans anyway.

I posted about Huckabee so I'll let that redirect

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
I never knew Obama was a republican candidate....
I might be nice to keep the discussion of Obama, tax, health care, etc... to another thread. That would be the polite thing to do I think..
But if I am wrong let me know so we can start talking about Mr. Nader...
Is Nader running again? With what party?

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
Maybe, however... doesn't this raise the costs of medical care because the hospital covers the bill, and ultimately they pass this to the consumer. Everyone does not have healthcare... they say at least 46 million do not. When I worked partime I could get it, but it would be like 50% of my check.
YES everyone has healthcare.
They say 46 million do not have health insurance. My point is that half the population is confusing health care with health insurance. They are two seperate issues.
Some people can't afford health insurance some people chose not to have it. Most of the republican candidates had good strong plans for health care and also for Health insurance. I don't believe any of their plans were much different than any of the other candidates.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
*With the tax cuts, government revenue increased.
*Healthcare is not a major problem. The problem is people refuse to make it a priority when they budget. We have one of the greatest systems in the world, available to anyone...
*If you haven't heard issue like immigration, tax cuts and the economy being brought up you haven't been listening.
So has the defecit... It has tripled....? It sounds to me our gov't spends more than they bring in... and now are dependent on foreign gov't and banks ... cause and effect is our dollar is loosing value.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
Is Nader running again? With what party?
Probably as an independant... maybe the Green Party... He said earlier that if Clinton gets the democratic nom he will run.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
Lets look at Huckabee and his tax program... the "Fair Tax" it would basically scrap the IRS and tax all items around 23%. So if you bought a pack of gum worth a dollar it would be $1.30. By the way my math is correct. The % is based on what is dollar + 23%? I have some views on this... what are yours?
I'm not sure how his plan does it, but generally sales tax is taken by multiplying the price by one point the tax rate. Making 23 cents. the tax on a dollar.
I think it is fair but politically impossible.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
So is founding fathers, christianity, christmas, and whatever else relevant? Nader is not even a candidate... and Obama is worthy of mentioning because he is getting GOP votes and may be the person you face. It also seems most of you are republicans anyway.

I posted about Huckabee so I'll let that redirect
My point is it would be nice to keep this topic atleast slightly focused in the area it was directed.. Talking about any candidate from any party will make this thread a mess...
As far as Obama, I bet he will get the democratic nomination, either him or Edwards... And I doubt Huckabee will win any primaries... I would say either McCain or Rudy will get the republican nom...

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
I'm not sure how his plan does it, but generally sales tax is taken by multiplying the price by one point the tax rate. Making 23 cents. the tax on a dollar.
I think it is fair but politically impossible.
There are some 'interesting' ideas about tax changes but the current system is so huge and complex I doubt we will ever see any drastic changes in the tax law...
Several years ago I thought Forbes would have been a good candidate with his flat tax...

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
YES everyone has healthcare.
They say 46 million do not have health insurance. My point is that half the population is confusing health care with health insurance. They are two seperate issues.
Some people can't afford health insurance some people chose not to have it.
The plan Obama has still gives adults that right. However I am sure if you don't know someone.. you've heard of stories of people being refused medical care, unless it (most cases) is a life threating issue... People also get booted out and shipped to other places after the inital care. The plan I laid out above would lower costs because hospitals would be treating less people that don't have insurance and they would pass less on to the average person.
The plan offers a affordable health insurance solution... keyword affordable.. Clinton's plan is much different.

 

[phunckie]

try using gender.
Originally Posted by itom37
In my above post --- is supposed to be a three letter word that means whether or not something, in this case a human, is male or female. I'm still unsure why, in a forum that deals with animals whose... male or femaleness, often needs to be referred to, that word gets filtered out. It's not dirty.

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
And I doubt Huckabee will win any primaries...
You mean other than the first primary that he already one. I think he'll win quite a few primaries.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
You mean other than the first primary that he already one. I think he'll win quite a few primaries.
Yes he won a Caucus... but beyond that I doubt he will win any more support.. But I have been wrong before, just check out all my sports predictions...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
.... But the book is out! And the remarks written or research you all have done is wrong about Obama. So I put the facts out so that it is clear. People are saying his tax plan takes money out of their pocket and it doesn't except for maybe 5% of Americans or less. They say his health plan socializes medicine and it doesn't. ..
Ok, you seem to be trying to pass off Obama as something he's not so let's do this.
Foreign affairs- Obama has said he would meet with the Iranian leader and bomb Pakistan to hit known terrorist targets. Solid grasp of Middle East politics there. He seems to forget Iran is the world's leading sponsor of terrorism. We can discuss this more if you like, but hte fact is Obama is woefully clueless in matters of foreign affairs. His mantra is "see I didn't vote for the war in Iraq."
Abortion- (when asked about partial birth abortions) "...women have the right to make these profoundly difficult decisions? And I trust them to do it." (taken from MSNBC) Obama voted against banning partial birth abortions.
Taxes and healthcare- "There's no doubt that the tax system has been skewed. And the Bush tax cuts--people didn't need them, and they weren't even asking for them, and that's why they need to be less, so that we can pay for universal health care and other initiatives..." (Howard U debate, 2007) Hey, lookie there, universal health care you seem to be denying he is pushing. And he's gonna pay for it by redistributing wealth (communism). But it gets better;
*Voted No to repeal the death tax
*"Democrat Barack Obama said Sunday he will push for higher Social Security taxes if elected" (taken from CNN)
*"Obama said taxing more of a person's income was the option he would push for if elected president. He objected to benefit cuts or a higher retirement age." (CNN)
*"As part of his "Tax Fairness for the Middle Class" plan, Barack Obama is in favor of nearly doubling the capital-gains tax rate from 15 percent to 28 percent". Which, of course, affects anyone who collects dividends or invests...
Sorry Ryan. While you accuse us being critical of Obama as being uninformed, it doesn't take much researcg to see the truth. And again, if you think any Republican is going to support this Carter-esque fiasco you're dreaming.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
I'm not sure how his plan does it, but generally sales tax is taken by multiplying the price by one point the tax rate. Making 23 cents. the tax on a dollar.
I think it is fair but politically impossible.
Lets look at the negatives...
It discourages spending and economy growth and encourages saving... If you have 3 people who make $50,000, $100,000, and $1million... and they all have the same budget... they all pay the same $ amount in taxes. Meaning guy#1 30% of income taxed....guy#2 19% of income taxed...Guy#3 2% of income taxed.
What about state taxes? There is no account for this.
Basically for those who can afford to save a large chunk of their income pay less, the burden of taxes in any given year likely shifts to lower earners.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
So has the defecit... It has tripled....? .
Yeah, and that is my only real beef with Bush. I think the Huckster and Mickey are going to be the same way.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
...
And since your uncle owns a buisiness... he shoud realize the costs of insuring employees and that for small businesses ... it is a burden. I know because I talk to over 300 business owners each and every year.
And Obama will make them pay more...
"virtually all businesses would have to share in the cost of coverage for their workers"... (Boston Globe)

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
The plan Obama has still gives adults that right. However I am sure if you don't know someone.. you've heard of stories of people being refused medical care, unless it (most cases) is a life threating issue... People also get booted out and shipped to other places after the inital care. The plan I laid out above would lower costs because hospitals would be treating less people that don't have insurance and they would pass less on to the average person.
The plan offers a affordable health insurance solution... keyword affordable.. Clinton's plan is much different.
Removing the ambulence chasers (like Edwards) from the healthcare malpractice con game would make healthcare a LOT more affordable. The federal government shouldn't do any more than help the individual states inprove their health delivery services. It's not a federal issue, it's a STATE issue.
We both agree that Hillary would destroy our health care system, so we're not that far apart it seems.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
Maybe, however... doesn't this raise the costs of medical care because the hospital covers the bill, and ultimately they pass this to the consumer. Everyone does not have healthcare... they say at least 46 million do not. When I worked partime I could get it, but it would be like 50% of my check.
Ryan, where do you think this cost will go in a "Universal" plan???? It will go to us all! The "cost" won't disappear, it will just balloon under yet another socialist entitlement program launched by a democrat.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
Not really... but I am resourceful. I may have a novice understanding
Are you for them or against them?
I'm for you understanding them when trying to say Warren Buffet is not paying his share of taxes...

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Ryan, where do you think this cost will go in a "Universal" plan???? It will go to us all! The "cost" won't disappear, it will just balloon under yet another socialist entitlement program launched by a democrat.

You are misinformed... this is a plan that people will pay for ... its not a free universal plan... The "Cost" means the amount your hospital charges you on medical bills.