Rich people and biggots always vote Republican

[theclemsonkid]

And as for the OP where I said rich people AND biggots...
I was referring to the many quotes pulled from recent McCain or Palin rallies, where people have yelled out the colorful:
"Obama is a terrorist"
"Obama is a Muslim"
"Obama is a stupid n*gger"
"Obama's middle name is Hussein, which shows he is a terrorist"
These are the republican voter base. A small percentage, sure. But bigots none the less...

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2791847
But the tax burden has to some FROM SOMEWHERE.
So I guess my question remains, if you don't want to take it from the rich, where is the money going to come from?
Um, did you read this? It is being taken from the "rich" as you put it.
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2791823
Tax info for ya Clemson.
According to the Office of Tax Analysis, the U.S. individual income tax is "highly progressive," with a small group of higher-income taxpayers paying most of the individual income taxes each year.
In 2002, the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income.
The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share.
Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.
Treasury Department analysts credit President Bush's tax cuts with shifting a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher income taxpayers. In 2005, says the Treasury, when most of the tax cut provisions are fully in effect (e.g., lower tax rates, the $1,000 child credit, marriage penalty relief), the projected tax share for lower-income taxpayers will fall, while the tax share for higher-income taxpayers will rise.
The US would collapse if these people took their money and left to avoid paying Uncle Sam.
You are misinformed, sir.

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2791847
You think I'm happy about getting $300k instead of $600k? Of course I'm not.
But the tax burden has to some FROM SOMEWHERE.
So I guess my question remains, if you don't want to take it from the rich, where is the money going to come from?
I think you may have answered your own question. I didn't see in any of these posts anyone said the rich shouldn't be taxed or even taxed see. What I believe everyone is saying is that the constant tax cuts for the middle and lower classes, while raising the taxes on corporations and the rich, is not a good idea. Who is going to employ the poor and middle if the government is pricing them out? I personally would like a see a percentage raise of all of the tax brackets.
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2791858
These are the republican voter base. A small percentage, sure. But bigots none the less...
And I'm sure you're expecting this, but how is those that hate or whatever on McCain simply because he is an older white male?

 

[socal57che]

It seems I missed some info on my cut&paste job...
The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers will fall from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent.
The share of taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers will rise from 32.3 percent to 33.7 percent.
The average tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers falls by 27 percent as compared to a 13 percent decline for taxpayers in the top 1 percent.
The White House has announced it will lobby Congress to pass legislation making most of President Bush's tax cutting measures permanent.
You're supporting the wrong party if you want tax cuts for the middle/low income brackets.

 

[theclemsonkid]

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2791864
And I'm sure you're expecting this, but how is those that hate or whatever on McCain simply because he is an older white male?
I think the difference is that people hate on McCain because he is an "old white male" for one main reason, and that is because the "old white male" has been in control for the last eight years (and realistically much, much longer), and they want someone different.
That's not racist, that is just looking for something new in traditional policies.
People who hate Obama for being black, or a "terrorist", are being racist, not just opposing him policy wise.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2791858
And as for the OP where I said rich people AND biggots...
I was referring to the many quotes pulled from recent McCain or Palin rallies, where people have yelled out the colorful:
"Obama is a terrorist"
"Obama is a Muslim"
"Obama is a stupid n*gger"
"Obama's middle name is Hussein, which shows he is a terrorist"
These are the republican voter base. A small percentage, sure. But bigots none the less...
I've heard much worse language and much more racist slurs from recordings of Obama's pastor....

Racism, ignorance, and greed cross party lines.

 

[theclemsonkid]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2791879
I've heard much worse language and much more racist slurs from recordings of Obama's pastor....

Racism, ignorance, and greed cross party lines.
Well for one, it's Obama's FORMER pastor (which magically all Republicans seem to forget), and secondly, what does that have to do with Obama personally?
Did I miss the part where Wright will be calling the shots if Obama is elected president?
McCain has had some questionable "friends" in his past too, but I'm certainly not going to hold that against the man.
I personally find McCain and extremely honorable and decent man. I just disagree on some policy issues. But not for a second would I use the "McCains former pastor" thing if he were the one in Obama's shoes.
John McCain and Barack Obama are each their own man. And that is exactly how I see them.

 

[sigmachris]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2791858
And as for the OP where I said rich people AND biggots...
These are the republican voter base. A small percentage, sure. But bigots none the less...
So by stereo typing a small percentage of the GOP and claiming all Republicans are biggots makes you a biggot. Glad to hear you got a degree from OSU, but you need a little life experience to go along with it.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2791834
Is it my right? Not at all. Should it be the governments right? I think so. How else do you expect a country like ours to exist if you didn't have those people paying the majority of the tax burden.
I hope you like roads, parks, museums, schools and the likewise. I know I do.
How in the world do you expect to have the money to run a country if you don't tax those who are making the most?

Funny most of the Hollywood elite are liberals, and they go out of their way to shoot their mouths off. Last I know they were rich. Most of them make more in a movie than I will make in a lifetime. Matt Damon showed his religious ( and age) bigotry very well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anxkrm9uEJk
I too work for my money. I work quite hard. I spent 12 years educating myself to save lives, yet the likes of you call me "rich" and "evil". I am not rich by Lebron standards. I am barely rich by the tax table which hits me very hard. I am still trying to pay off medical school debt, yet the gov;t wants me to pay more. You want me to pay more. Most months my time card is 180-200 hours per month. I see first hand the abuse of the system. People on disability who come to the ER for treatment because they hurt themselves lifting weights. Welfare recipients with nicer clothes, cell phone, fingernails and tattoos than I have. The gov't mandates I give free emergency care, yet I cannot even write that off my taxes.
I'm sick and tired of the whiney left and their "fairness". My dad taught me these things:
The only answers are:
Yes Sir.
No Sir
No excuse Sir
Life is not fair.
We'd have plenty of money to run the country if we were not spending it on people, and actually spending it on running the (small) gov't our Constitution provides for.
Maybe you should go back to school and learn a bit about our history and Constitution before you call me rich and a bogot.
Do you think I work for my money?
Speaking of bigots, who said "clingin to their guns and religion with antipathy towards those who are different from them."? Those, sir are the words of a bigot.
Joe Biden being a bigot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU
Didn't Biden call Obama "clean" among other things. Sounds like a bigot to me. You want this guy a heartbeat away from the POTUS?
What about that intelligent bigot Kanye West and his comments about Bush not like black people?
You need more counter points to disprove your original hypothesis?
By the way, Republicans tend to donate more to charity, except when democrats raise their taxes.

 

[al mc]

Jumping in on the how do people expect to help the less fortunate members of a society.....Personally I feel that I would rather choose (and do) to donate time and money to worthy people/causes than to have the government bureaucracy redistribute the wealth on my behalf. While there are certainly some very inefficient charitable organizations out there I believe almost every one of them does a better job of redistributing wealth for the common good than does our government.

 

[lovethesea]

so does Bill Clinton fall into the old white male catagory? If so I think that statement needs to be changed.
Hopefully you will protect what money your grandma left you. It sounds like maybe she did not have the proper trust attorney on her/your family's side. You are lucky that it is 2 million now, not too many years ago it was 500,000.
The problem is both sides will tax, tax, tax now. They just don't say it. My unborn grandchildren and great grandchildren will be paying for this debacle that IMO started many years before Bush. I don't want to hear who did what, I am just stating that all sides are to blame including some of the public.

 

[oscardeuce]

Hopefully you will protect what money your grandma left you. It sounds like maybe she did not have the proper trust attorney on her/your family's side. You are lucky that it is 2 million now, not too many years ago it was 500,000.

Are they talking to you Clemson?

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2791858
And as for the OP where I said rich people AND biggots...
I was referring to the many quotes pulled from recent McCain or Palin rallies, where people have yelled out the colorful:
"Obama is a terrorist"
"Obama is a Muslim"
"Obama is a stupid n*gger"
"Obama's middle name is Hussein, which shows he is a terrorist"
These are the republican voter base. A small percentage, sure. But bigots none the less...
Actually, Mr Obama is an Arab.

 

[lovethesea]

Hopefully you will protect what money your grandma left you. It sounds like maybe she did not have the proper trust attorney on her/your family's side. You are lucky that it is 2 million now, not too many years ago it was 500,000.
Are they talking to you Clemson?

who else was I talking to???

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2791847
No, no. Not at all. If that was how it came across, then I want to clear that up.
I am making over $50,000 a year right now, and if everything goes right, I could be over that $250,000 a year by the time it's all said and done. And if I do get there, it will be because I busted my butt to get it done.
By no means do I want to tax the rich because they were born into it, and I am jealous.
In fact, my grandmother died a little under a month ago, and her entire estate is worth a little over six million bucks. She got a two million dollar exemption into a GST, and the remaining four million is being taxed at 46%
As her grandson, I will be getting a third of the half that goes to the three grandkids.
You think I'm happy about getting $300k instead of $600k? Of course I'm not.
But the tax burden has to some FROM SOMEWHERE.
So I guess my question remains, if you don't want to take it from the rich, where is the money going to come from?
So you are against rich republicans, but are happy to get your own trust fund without working for it? I guess you could feel better about yourself if you just wrote a check to the gov't for the whole amount. I look forward to you putting your money where your mouth is.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by Al Mc
http:///forum/post/2791906
Jumping in on the how do people expect to help the less fortunate members of a society.....Personally I feel that I would rather choose (and do) to donate time and money to worthy people/causes than to have the government bureaucracy redistribute the wealth on my behalf. While there are certainly some very inefficient charitable organizations out there I believe almost every one of them does a better job of redistributing wealth for the common good than does our government.

I am more than willing to help, but I don't want big brother squeezing the help from me. Right now, I decide where what's left of my check gets spent. I generally support the GOP because they align with my point of view more often than the dems do. My wife and I work very hard for our $$ and do without a lot of things in order to give back to those less fortunate than us. We give out of our God given free will to do so, not because our socialist government tells us to.

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2791833
Alright, so let's say you make $1,000,000 a year, and you have to give half of it away. You are still making $500,000 after taxes. Is it "fair"? Not exactly. But you are still making a half million dollars a year.
At what point is enough money, enough money?
And assuming you DID take away the burden of the upper 5% paying the most taxes, and passing that on to everyone else... who exactly would be able to afford buy the products and services that probably made you your million dollars a year in the first place?
Go back to flippin burgers then.... Why the heck try to live the American Dream?

 

[kjr_trig]

The poor and the lazy always vote Democrat, what's your point?
You would vote for McCain too if you were facing a 4% tax increase from Obama.
I guess my statement isn't true though, my first year out of college I was making $18,000 a year, and still voted Republican because I didn't want any handouts or help from the government. Let me change my statement.....The lazy always should vote Democrat

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2791888
Well for one, it's Obama's FORMER pastor (which magically all Republicans seem to forget), and secondly, what does that have to do with Obama personally?
Did I miss the part where Wright will be calling the shots if Obama is elected president?
McCain has had some questionable "friends" in his past too, but I'm certainly not going to hold that against the man.
I personally find McCain and extremely honorable and decent man. I just disagree on some policy issues. But not for a second would I use the "McCains former pastor" thing if he were the one in Obama's shoes.
John McCain and Barack Obama are each their own man. And that is exactly how I see them.
Put down the kool-aid and walk away....... there may still be hope for you young man. Your making a good Buck in a Southern State. Be happy, be proud, be an American, be aware. It has nothing to do with race, income, or social stature.
Protect what you have and make it grow for your kids and so on. Live the American Dream. Don't destroy it.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2791937
The poor and the lazy always vote Democrat, what's your point?
You would vote for McCain too if you were facing a 4% tax increase from Obama.
I guess my statement isn't true though, my first year out of college I was making $18,000 a year, and still voted Republican because I didn't want any handouts or help from the government. Let me change my statement.....The lazy always should vote Democrat

Did ya ever wonder why they are STILL poor after 65 years of voting democrat, the new deal and the great society?