Run your car with water

bang guy

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2691549
The hydrogen generators I speak of are under the hood of your car. They run off the battery in your car.
As far as power plants....we need more nuclear plants.
Right, and where does the energy come from to charge the battery? It's viable technology but the energy isn't free.
I agree with nuke plants.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2691506
Eventually one of these people are going to come up with something truly innovative. Lord knows, the oil companies aren't going to do it.
I disagree, oil companies, are pouring more money than anyone else into alternatives in energy. We are talking billions of dollars. besides they are in the energy business not the oil business. If they can come up with a tech that eliminates oil they are going to bring it to market after they patent the crap out of it. Besides oil is not really going anywear, it is going to take YEARS after an "oilfree" technology comes to the market before they get all the gas consuming products off the road. Then you have plastics, (these new cars aren't going to be metal) that industry is going to EXPLODE. They'll be able to make money on both products. Then of course you'll have legacy people who still own their 69 cameros and barracudas!
however yes, people fooling around in their garage invented the lightbulb/ the PC and will probably figure out some sort of new fangled propulsion device.
 
payton 350

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that energy, like todays cars is coming from the movement of the vehicle. Alternator is run off of a belt, well that belt can be controlled with the movement of the tires, which in turn is your "free" energy.....
how are todays batteries charged (in the car). not by gas, but alternator which is essentially using "free" energy. Also when the car is in a stand still, or parked , there can be a solar panel on the roof, trunk, and hood, that would keep the batteries(gonna need more than one
) charged.
There are ways to do this.. I don't see how you can say it isn't feasible, when in fact it's already being done
 
darknes

darknes

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Originally Posted by Payton 350
http:///forum/post/2691583
that energy, like todays cars is coming from the movement of the vehicle. Alternator is run off of a belt, well that belt can be controlled with the movement of the tires, which in turn is your "free" energy.....
how are todays batteries charged (in the car). not by gas, but alternator which is essentially using "free" energy. Also when the car is in a stand still, or parked , there can be a solar panel on the roof, trunk, and hood, that would keep the batteries(gonna need more than one
) charged.
There are ways to do this.. I don't see how you can say it isn't feasible, when in fact it's already being done
There is no such thing as "free energy". The belt running the alternator increases the inertia of the car, making the engine have to use more energy to move the car.
 
darknes

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2691549
The hydrogen generators I speak of are under the hood of your car. They run off the battery in your car.
As far as power plants....we need more nuclear plants.
I think we need to invest more in studies for fusion power plants. Fusion is greenhouse friendly, much less risk than nuclear fission plants, and the sea has enough source of isotopes to power us for 150 billion years.
Problem is we dont know how to harness it yet.
 
payton 350

payton 350

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Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2691595
There is no such thing as "free energy". The belt running the alternator increases the inertia of the car, making the engine have to use more energy to move the car.
semantics
ALthough its not really free....solar energy is "free energy" ......
 
bang guy

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Originally Posted by Payton 350
http:///forum/post/2691583
I don't see how you can say it isn't feasible, when in fact it's already being done

When did I say that?
I just think you're underestimating the amount of energy required to seperate Hydrogen.
 
reefraff

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The only way the hydrogen being in the air intake can improve the mileage is if the engine is retuned. Now you have to hope that bozo snake oil contraption is going to be able to supply a constant supply of hydrogen or the car will run like crap. Of course once you retune the engine good luck getting it to pass an emissions test.
Oh, and thats assuming the cars alternator can produce enough electricity to make enough hydrogen and that the additional pull on the alternator doesn't offset any gain in efficiency you might get from the hydrogen.
 
payton 350

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2691605
When did I say that?
I just think you're underestimating the amount of energy required to seperate Hydrogen.
you're right ...it should have said something like the energy output would be far greater than the energy input. who knows? too much thinking for me for one day
 
payton 350

payton 350

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Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2691615
But it's not reliable and not efficient.
efficient....not to the degree we need it....but my calculator runs great
reliable....last i checked , it rose everyday of my life...seems pretty reliable to me.......
(being a smart@@@)
 
darknes

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Originally Posted by Payton 350
http:///forum/post/2691616
efficient....not to the degree we need it....but my calculator runs great
reliable....last i checked , it rose everyday of my life...seems pretty reliable to me.......
(being a smart@@@)

I think solar power is a very good alternative for homes.
But for cars, equipment, and factories, we need something with a high power output. Everything is getting bigger/faster/stronger, we need a source of energy that has a high energy to mass ratio. With solar power, the more panels you try to add to something that moves, the more mass you add to it, so the more energy it takes to move it.
Plus, what happens if you use all the battery power in your car? Just sit there and wait 4 hours until it charges enough to make it home? And do we just not drive on rainy/cloudy days?
 
bang guy

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It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
I LOVE the idea of electric cars. Solar power could just be a supplement to plugging in. Instead of powerlines along side the road they could be buried in the roads and the engine could use induction to pick up energy (with an electric meter of course).
I would buy an affordable electric car in a heartbeat, there just isn't enough electric power being generated right now to support a lot of cars though.
 
groupergenius

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2691559
Right, and where does the energy come from to charge the battery? It's viable technology but the energy isn't free.
I agree with nuke plants.
Wow. We must be in 2 different worlds. The energy that charges the battery comes from...(I'm typing this as slow as I can so you get it)....the alternator in your vehicle. The alternator is run by the internal combustion engine that moves the vehicle. The hydrogen generator produces hydrogen gas from water, the hydrogen gas helps the internal combustion engine utilize the normal fuel that goes into the engine. In turn making your vehicle need less fuel to get further. Thus creating better MPG.
 
groupergenius

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Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2691598
I think we need to invest more in studies for fusion power plants. Fusion is greenhouse friendly, much less risk than nuclear fission plants, and the sea has enough source of isotopes to power us for 150 billion years.
Problem is we dont know how to harness it yet.
Till we do...I suggest Nuclear. It's cleaner and "greener" than anything else we have right now on a large scale.
 
groupergenius

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2691605
When did I say that?
I just think you're underestimating the amount of energy required to seperate Hydrogen.
Your right. Large scale production will take alot of energy. And a massive change in infrastucture. But your talking running a car solely on Hydrogen. I'm talking about what the OP brought up and that is a gas/ water vehicle.
Ya'll are taking this to an entirely different place.
 
groupergenius

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2691611
The only way the hydrogen being in the air intake can improve the mileage is if the engine is retuned. Now you have to hope that bozo snake oil contraption is going to be able to supply a constant supply of hydrogen or the car will run like crap. Of course once you retune the engine good luck getting it to pass an emissions test.
Oh, and thats assuming the cars alternator can produce enough electricity to make enough hydrogen and that the additional pull on the alternator doesn't offset any gain in efficiency you might get from the hydrogen.
YOUR NOT GETTING IT!!!!!!
The car will still burn fossil fuel friggin technology. The hydrogen is just an assist.
 
groupergenius

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Originally Posted by Nel621
http:///forum/post/2690824
Has anyone on this site tried this or know of anyone who has converted their car to run on gas AND water?There are alot of new products out there that claim you can run your car on water and increase gas milage.what is your opinion?
Nel621, I apologize dearly for trying to answer your question. This has gone way off the path you were asking about.
 
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