Saddam Hussein Hung!

1journeyman

Active Member
Just to clarify a bit.
Saddma invaded Kuwait, which was an ally of ours. We, and the bulk of the rest of the world, responded.
Now, here's what people forget. Saddam surrendered. He make concessions to end the first Gulf War. He didn't live up to his side of the agreement, so in actuality he violated the peace agreement of the first Gulf War.
The first time he targetted an allied plane enforcing the no fly zones he should have been taken out.
This shouldn't have been about WMd's or terrorists or anything else. He invaded Kuwait and raped, killed and imprisoned it's people. He violated the peace agreement. He brought this on himself.
The USA needs to protect it's interests and it's allies. When did targetting USA troops suddenly not become a declaration of war???
 

team2jndd

Active Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
So is THE mission finally accomplished ????
Can we bring the kids home now ???
lol thank you.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
As far as I'm concerned, the world is a better place without him. As long as he was alive, his supporters would still "follow" him. He's dead now, so people will have to move on.
Not to mention, killing and torturing should be followed by one's own demise.
If we leave Iraq now, then those who have sacrificed everything, including their lives, would be for nothing. We can not leave this country for the terrorist or the neighboring vultures. If Iraq is not secure, than neither will we be.
 

team2jndd

Active Member
Originally Posted by Beth
As far as I'm concerned, the world is a better place without him. As long as he was alive, his supporters would still "follow" him. He's dead now, so people will have to move on.
Not to mention, killing and torturing should be followed by one's own demise.
If we leave Iraq now, then those who have sacrificed everything, including their lives, would be for nothing. We can not leave this country for the terrorist or the neighboring vultures. If Iraq is not secure, than neither will we be.
I agree with what you say that the ones who died will have done it for nothing. But at the same time, why should any more die?
 

mr. guitar

Member
Originally Posted by team2jndd
I agree with what you say that the ones who died will have done it for nothing. But at the same time, why should any more die?
I don't think any more troops should die but do you want the war over here? If we stop, which is completely stupid, they'll just come over here in our country.
 

mr. guitar

Member
Originally Posted by Beth
As far as I'm concerned, the world is a better place without him. As long as he was alive, his supporters would still "follow" him. He's dead now, so people will have to move on.
Not to mention, killing and torturing should be followed by one's own demise.
If we leave Iraq now, then those who have sacrificed everything, including their lives, would be for nothing. We can not leave this country for the terrorist or the neighboring vultures. If Iraq is not secure, than neither will we be.
WELL SAID BETH!!!!!!!!!
 

mr. guitar

Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
So is THE mission finally accomplished ????
Can we bring the kids home now ???
Mission is to get rid of terrorism...No it isn't accomplished yet.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
Originally Posted by team2jndd
I why should any more die?
For the reasons I said:
We can not leave the country to the terrorists. Its not good for us, and its not right for the Iraqis.
We can not allow Iraq's neighbors, including Iran, free rein in Iraq.
Keep in mind that we invaded that country. It is up to us, to now clean up the mess and make it secure for us, and for them. If we leave it as is, then no good will come of it, you can count on that. On the other hand, we can not languish there without a concerted driving effort to finally get out. Unfortunately American politics, rather than American interests is the order of the day.
 

mr. guitar

Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
So is THE mission finally accomplished ????
Can we bring the kids home now ???
Mission is to get rid of terrorism...No it isn't accomplished yet.
Originally Posted by Beth
As far as I'm concerned, the world is a better place without him. As long as he was alive, his supporters would still "follow" him. He's dead now, so people will have to move on.
Not to mention, killing and torturing should be followed by one's own demise.
If we leave Iraq now, then those who have sacrificed everything, including their lives, would be for nothing. We can not leave this country for the terrorist or the neighboring vultures. If Iraq is not secure, than neither will we be.
WELL SAID BETH!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by team2jndd

I agree with what you say that the ones who died will have done it for nothing. But at the same time, why should any more die?
I don't think any more troops should die but do you want the war over here? If we stop, which is completely stupid, they'll just come over here in our country...and the same reasons as Beth stated.
 

team2jndd

Active Member
ok lets clear this up. We have never, ever been attacked by Iraq. Thats just facts. This isnt a war on terrorism its a war for oil. Come on now, how much of alquada is still running around. Not in Iraq by the way.... Wheres osama? I dont see him hanging. Osama has no oil fields just bombs. Its foolish to think this is about terrorism. Terrorists are individual organized groups not countries. This war in Iraq is not against terrorism. Sorry but its true. My brother is an engineer and hes been rebuilding the schools and parks that we destroyed. Was alquada in math class that day? Of course not. It was called shock and awe. Aka lets kill them quick get them to surrender. IT didnt work and our troops continue to pay the consequence.
 

team2jndd

Active Member
Originally Posted by Beth
For the reasons I said:
We can not leave the country to the terrorists. Its not good for us, and its not right for the Iraqis.
We can not allow Iraq's neighbors, including Iran, free rein in Iraq.
Keep in mind that we invaded that country. It is up to us, to now clean up the mess and make it secure for us, and for them. If we leave it as is, then no good will come of it, you can count on that. On the other hand, we can not languish there without a concerted driving effort to finally get out. Unfortunately American politics, rather than American interests is the order of the day.
sorry for quoting the whole thing i dont know how to quote a portion.... the last paragraph. Notce you said mess and clean up. Thats exactly what this is. Its a big ooops that bush needs to fix to save face. Thank god we invaded afghanistan to get all those WMD's. America wouldnt be safe if we hadnt.
 

phixer

Active Member
The death penalty is perhaps the strongest deterent to crime there is. This has been proven many times over. Our country is too soft on crime and the criminals know this, which is why we have so many over croweded prisons and have the highest incarceration rate in the world. The current system is a miserable failure and simply dosent work. Letting criminals like this live in a prison at the taxpayers expense is absurd and is even more unethical.
Lets see:

1 bullet = 20 cents
Lifetime prison sentence = $$$
Spend 20 cents on a bullet and be done with it.
 

pallan

Member
i dont normally get involved in online political discusions, there really is no way to change my mind, nor for me to change anyone elses.
Im glad Sadam is gone. Great Job to all the soldiers that worked and died to capture him,
Another Great Job by a very fledgling, and intimidated Iraqi Judicial system. They did not let the assasinations of lawyers, and threats stop them from doing a Job they were required to do.
There is alot of work to be done there yet. I want the soldiers to come home as much as anyone else does. Im thankful for the Job they do, and sadened by the loss of every one of them. But we need to make sure Iraq does not become a lawless wasteland. Once the govt can stand on its own and the Army can fight its own fights. then our troops can come home. before that and we risk everything that men died for.
The Iraqi people need to stand up for them selves and stop this but they are so engrained in their thought process that the average person does not think he can make a diffrence. if 10 million iraqis stood up tomorrow and said enough is enough this war would be over. If the insurgents really wanted us to leave they just drop their guns and walk away. we'd be gone in 6 months. because they are terrorists and not insurgents they wont stop.
All that being said I do not understand how anyone one could say this war did not need to be fought.
Sadam invaded Kuwait, We kicked him out and set the ground rules. for the next 12 years he continually targeted and fired on our troops after the war, violated sanctions, refused to comply and eventually would not even allow UN WMD inspectors.
HE was given chance after chance to cooperate for 12 years. He got bolder after 9-11 when he Assumed that we could not fight two wars and with afganistan being our main focus he felt he was safe to do as he pleased and to ignore THE ENTIRE WORLDs demands that he comply, (not just USA).
The Good thing about the rest of the world not helping out as much as we have done in Iraq, is that now the rest of the world knows we will do what we need to do with or without them and better yet that we can do it.
i leave with a poem. most definatly not by me!!!! sorry for the long post guys
A French Poem written by an American Patriot....
Eleven thousand soldiers
lay beneath the dirt and stone,
all buried on a distant land
so far away from home.
For just a strip of dismal beach
they paid a hero's price,
to save a foreign nation
They all made the sacrifice.
And now the shores of Normandy
Are lined with blocks of white:
Americans who didn't turn
from someone else's plight.
Eleven thousand reasons
for the French to take our side,
but in the moment of our need,
they chose to run and hide.
Chirac said every war means loss,
perhaps for France that's true,
for they've lost every battle
since the days of Waterloo.
Without a soldier worth a damn
to be found within the region,
the French became the only land
to need a Foreign Legion.
You French all say we're arrogant.
Well hell, we've earned the right--
We saved your sorry nation
when you lacked the guts to fight.
But now you've made a big mistake, />
and one that you'll regret;
you took sides with our enemies,
and that we won't forget.
It wasn't just our citizens
you spit on when you turned,
but every one of yours
who fell the day the towers burned.
You spit upon our soldiers,
on our pilots and Marines,
and now you'll get a little sense
of just what payback means.
So keep your

[hr]
fashions
and your wine and your champagne,
and find some other market
that will buy your airplanes.
And try to find somebody else
to wear your French cologne,
for you're about to find out
what it means to stand alone.
You see, you need us far more
than we ever needed you.
America has better friends
who know how to be true.
I'd rather stand with warriors
who have the will and might,
than huddle in the dark
with those whose only flag is white.
I'll take the Brits, the Aussies,
the Israelis and the rest,
for when it comes to valor
we have seen that they're the best.
We'll count on one another
as we face a moment dire,
while you sit on the sideline
with a sign, "friendship for hire."
We'll win this war without you
and we'll total up the cost,
and take it from your foreign aid,
and then you'll feel the loss.
And when your nation starts to fall,
well Frenchie, you can spare us,
just call the Germans for a hand,
they know the way to

[hr]
.
 

team2jndd

Active Member
thats just it though. Im not saying anybodys wrong because this is easily disputed based on an individuals beliefs. Say a woman comes home and finds her husband of 15 years cheating on her. She kills him and the woman he was with. Does she deserve the death penalty the same as some psycho who killed two random people? If you can honestly say yes than so be it. But if you say no, you introduce a biased system which is immoral in itself. So no, a 20 cent bullet isnt always the answer because of compassion. Who decides which crimes are deserving of death? Who decides which circumstances justify certain acts? I just think its easier to pass judgement from the outside without knowing what its truely like.
 

kmc

Member
If this was all about oil then let's get some. I haven't seen any coverage of American troops looting oil fields or tankers leaving Iraq headed for the US? I mean come on. If this is a wasted effort then let's at least have something to show for it.
I think the lesson to be learned here is that if the US is going to continue to support the world then we need to finish what we start. Had we finished him off the first time we wouldn't be back over there. If we don't look after our own best interests and watch our own backs who will? The French? The UN? There is a price to be paid for sticking your nose in somebody else's business. You want to stop the suffering in Somalia or North Korea? You think nobody is going to get killed doing that?
 

team2jndd

Active Member
Eleven thousand soldiers
lay beneath the dirt and stone,
all buried on a distant land
so far away from home.
For just a strip of dismal beach
they paid a hero's price,
to save a foreign nation
They all made the sacrifice.
And now the shores of Normandy
Are lined with blocks of white:
Americans who didn't turn
from someone else's plight.
Eleven thousand reasons
for the French to take our side,
but in the moment of our need,
they chose to run and hide.
Chirac said every war means loss,
perhaps for France that's true,
for they've lost every battle
since the days of Waterloo.
Without a soldier worth a damn
to be found within the region,
the French became the only land
to need a Foreign Legion.
You French all say we're arrogant.
Well hell, we've earned the right--
We saved your sorry nation
when you lacked the guts to fight.
But now you've made a big mistake,
and one that you'll regret;
you took sides with our enemies,
and that we won't forget.
It wasn't just our citizens
you spit on when you turned,
but every one of yours
who fell the day the towers burned.
You spit upon our soldiers,
on our pilots and Marines,
and now you'll get a little sense
of just what payback means.
So keep your

[hr]
fashions
and your wine and your champagne,
and find some other market
that will buy your airplanes.
And try to find somebody else
to wear your French cologne,
for you're about to find out
what it means to stand alone.
You see, you need us far more
than we ever needed you.
America has better friends
who know how to be true.
I'd rather stand with warriors
who have the will and might,
than huddle in the dark
with those whose only flag is white.
I'll take the Brits, the Aussies,
the Israelis and the rest,
for when it comes to valor
we have seen that they're the best.
We'll count on one another
as we face a moment dire,
while you sit on the sideline
with a sign, "friendship for hire."
We'll win this war without you
and we'll total up the cost,
and take it from your foreign aid,
and then you'll feel the loss.
And when your nation starts to fall,
well Frenchie, you can spare us,
just call the Germans for a hand,
they know the way to

[hr]
.
Whats this have to do with sadam. And if it was the entire worlds demand, why is it that only we fought back? I dont understand why it always has to be us the police the entire world. "team america"lol. We have not helped Iraq as much as people seem to think. Sadam was scum and he killed many. However, we killed alot of innocent people as well with our bombs. We destroyed all stability (the little bit) they did have. And now we are paying billions to rebuild a country I still cant understand why we ever entered. Say what you want about the french... hows their national debt? When was the last time they were attacked by terrorists? Ever wonder why we are the target? Its naive to think that we know even a fraction of what the united states government does.
 

zanoshanox

Active Member
I think he should have been brutally tortured in prison for the rest of his life, on a well organized daily schedule
 

team2jndd

Active Member
zanoshanox said:
I think he should have been brutally tortured in prison for the rest of his life, on a well organized daily schedule[/QUOTE
Doesnt really seem right to punish somebody for crimes against humanity with... a crime against humanity
 

30-xtra high

Active Member
lol, i completely disagree with you team, sorry but i live by that whole golden rule thing, treat other like u wunna be treated. i'm kinda mad he got such a peaceful death, i think we shoulda put him in a cage, and let people walk by and through stuff at him, pee on him...anything they wanted except give him stuff, and kill him. suddam was a freakin retard. well now you all have my 2 cents
 
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