Saddam Hussein Hung!

[phixer]

Its not exactly clear to me why we entered Iraq either but one thing seems to be very clear, many of the terrorists reside in Iraq and countries that surround it. We must pursue these terrorists where they live. This fight we cannot escape from or negotiate are way out of. We cannot stand by and wait for them to come for us again.
France :hilarious ... It's common knowledge that France is as weak as a heard of sheep and if history is any indicator they will be attacked again and will have their asses kicked once again. If you go back far enough in history you'll see what Im talking about. When this happens France will come crying for help... once again.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
ok lets clear this up. We have never, ever been attacked by Iraq. Thats just facts. This isnt a war on terrorism its a war for oil. Come on now, how much of alquada is still running around. Not in Iraq by the way.... Wheres osama? I dont see him hanging. Osama has no oil fields just bombs. Its foolish to think this is about terrorism. Terrorists are individual organized groups not countries. This war in Iraq is not against terrorism. Sorry but its true. My brother is an engineer and hes been rebuilding the schools and parks that we destroyed. Was alquada in math class that day? Of course not. It was called shock and awe. Aka lets kill them quick get them to surrender. IT didnt work and our troops continue to pay the consequence.
Saddam's Terror Training Camps
What the documents captured from the former Iraqi regime reveal--and why they should all be made public.
by Stephen F. Hayes
01/16/2006, Volume 011, Issue 17
THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.
The secret training took place primarily at three camps--in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak--and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.
The photographs and documents on Iraqi training camps come from a collection of some 2 million "exploitable items" captured in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan. They include handwritten notes, typed documents, audiotapes, videotapes, compact discs, floppy discs, and computer hard drives. Taken together, this collection could give U.S.
intelligence officials and policymakers an inside look at the activities of the former Iraqi regime in the months and years before the Iraq war.

 

[team2jndd]

Originally Posted by Phixer
Its not exactly clear to me why we entered Iraq either but one thing seems to be very clear, many of the terrorists reside in Iraq and countries that surround it. We must pursue these terrorists where they live. This fight we cannot escape from or negotiate are way out of. We cannot stand by and wait for them to come for us again.
France :hilarious It's common knowledge that France is as weak as a heard of sheep and if history is any indicator they will be attacked again and will have their asses kicked once again. If you go back far enough in history you'll see what Im talking about. When this happens France will come crying for help... once again.
Of course thats where they live. Who else have we recently pissed off so much that theyd be willing to kill themselves to hurt us? Not to mention, we ruined whatever system of government and education they did have. So really what can a bunch of poor, uneducated people do with their anger? They dont think they are terrorists they think they are patriots. The same way we were patriots when we killed british soldiers that we felt were tyrants. This is what the Iraqi people know. They know war and violence. They are not civilized by our standards and we will never be able to understand their struggles. That is another reason we should never have been there. We cant help them. Bottom line. And as for saying that stopping the genocides in places like darfur causing american casualties... are you trying to say that the Iraqi radicals can be compared to the north african armies? You are talking about one of the poorest countries in the world compared to the Iraqis who were lead by sadam hussein, one of the richest dictators ever. Thank god sadam decided to buy palaces and shrines instead of weapons.

 

[team2jndd]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Saddam's Terror Training Camps
What the documents captured from the former Iraqi regime reveal--and why they should all be made public.
by Stephen F. Hayes
01/16/2006, Volume 011, Issue 17
THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.
The secret training took place primarily at three camps--in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak--and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.
The photographs and documents on Iraqi training camps come from a collection of some 2 million "exploitable items" captured in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan. They include handwritten notes, typed documents, audiotapes, videotapes, compact discs, floppy discs, and computer hard drives. Taken together, this collection could give U.S.
intelligence officials and policymakers an inside look at the activities of the former Iraqi regime in the months and years before the Iraq war.
lol no offense but I hold no value to documents "recovered by the us millitary" Justification for entering Iraq is something they have been eager to find. "believed to be tied to alquada" Sorry but I have two brothers in Iraq and dont feel comfortable with them risking their lives for what we "believe" could be.

 

[30-xtra high]

i'm tickled pink knowing that we're at war with Iraq, and yet we're donating our food and money to the people who live there, skrew them! i say we blow the frik out of them. they're wasting our time and money, i think we should get all our soldiers out of there, and drop 1 nuke. They have some many bombs burried over there, if we dropped 1 bomb we'd set them all off, and blow up half of Iraq, but Irq isn't the topic, we're talking about that retart suddam.

 

[ice4ice]

Oh boy, since when was the Iraqi war is about oil ?! This war was all because Saddam kept denying he had no chemical weapons ! The weapons inspectors were getting the ol' runaround by Iraq with vague repsonses and numerous denials to different locals of "suspected" chemical weapons being hidden from U.S and the world.
As I was watching the first reports of his demise, did you know his daugters will have him buried in Yemen and once things settled down in Iraq, she wants his body returned to Iraq !!? Diplomats say that will never happen.
I do have one thing to say regarding our troops in Iraq. As much as I do support our troops 110 %, I believe it's time we (USA) tell Iraq to start grow up and take control of their own country so we can bring our boys home. Everyday we read the papers that our troops are getting killed on a daily basis. The situation in Iraq is starting to become another Vietnam, a war we will never ever win. I really don't think Iraq should be our problem anymore now but we should concentrate on the hunt for Bin Laden instead.
True, the price of freedom doesn't come free. But we shouldn't have to be the world's babysitter with their troubles and strife.
When was the last time ANY foreign country come to our aid ? Name one country that actually came on American soil and help us clean up after 9/11 ? NONE !!! Do any of them give us money to help rebuild ? NO !! All we get is sympathy for our losses after the World Trade Center collapses and they go onto their own country's business at hand. Now tell me where is the fairness in all this.

 

[pallan]

Whats this have to do with sadam.
Every thing. and nothing. The French are albiet the sacraficial lamb of the poem but it stands for the many countries who should be there helping end this. if we all stood behind the president, and the world stood behind the UN in reality not just in presence this would not have needed to happen
And if it was the entire worlds demand, why is it that only we fought back?
Excellant question if you could answer that you may get the nobel peace prize. We acted under UN resolutions passed by the security council and authorizing force if Sadam did not comply. we never hid our intentions to finish this one way or another. Sadam was put on notice and did not heed the demands of the UN. (United Nations AKA the whole world eeeh give or take a third world county or two.)
I dont understand why it always has to be us the police the entire world. "team america"lol.
Because we are the last remaining superpower. no other county can do the things we can. without the US "interfering" many nations would fall to dictators, facists, terrorists, or any combination of psycopaths
We have not helped Iraq as much as people seem to think. Sadam was scum and he killed many. However, we killed alot of innocent people as well with our bombs. We destroyed all stability (the little bit) they did have.
The majority of Iraq is glad we did what we did. the north and south are stable the kurds have a strong autonomous govt. The minority are the initial trouble makers which in turn are causing others in the majority to fight back. most violence these days is Iraqi vs Iraqi power struggle to gain control of the county. we did it as well (the civil war) they just have more efficeint weapons.
Say what you want about the french... hows their national debt? When was the last time they were attacked by terrorists? Ever wonder why we are the target?
Why would terrorists ever target them they are the biggest help a problem state or terrorist country could have. plus they seem to be doing alot of bussiness with countries like Iraq (before the war),
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again not trying to change your mind or anyone elses. nor start a fight nor distract form the initial posters thread.
Sadam is dead, Iraq is free of him and in his place a beehive remains. right or wrong it can not be ignored.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
ok lets clear this up. We have never, ever been attacked by Iraq. Thats just facts. ....
Technically, when did Germany ever attack us in WWII? Were we wrong to aid the Brits? Was Kuwait an unworthy ally? Should we not have come to their aid?
We have lost a tragic number of Soldiers in the years we've been in Iraq. Let's not forget we lost an equal number of citizens in less than 3 hours on Sept. 11th. You can say this isn't about terrorsim, but I'd ask you who do you think we're fighting in Iraq right now? Why has there not been an attack on USA soil since 9-11?
Let's also not forget the Iraqi plan to assassinate a former President of the USA.
This war isn't about oil. Last time I checked I was paying more for gas than 5 years ago. Iraq is going to march in line with the rest of OPEC. We aren't saving a dime. We aren't pumping oil and shipping it back here so we can lower our fuel bills. If you want to argue it's about stability in the oil rich middle east then I would concur.
Saddam did build weapons. He used money that should have gone to feeding his people and providing for them to build his palaces, buy cars for his monstrous spawn, and live a lavish lifestyle while his people starved. Don't ever think he didn't buy every weapon he could get his hands on.
Finally, it wasn't the USA that tried and killed Saddam. It was his countrymen.

 

[scubadoo]

http://www.husseinandterror.com/

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Ice4Ice
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When was the last time ANY foreign country come to our aid ? Name one country that actually came on American soil and help us clean up after 9/11 ? NONE !!! Do any of them give us money to help rebuild ? NO !! All we get is sympathy for our losses after the World Trade Center collapses and they go onto their own country's business at hand. Now tell me where is the fairness in all this.
Actually there was a long list of aid after Katrina hit. Though typically I agree that we tend to get the shaft from our "friends".

 

[1knight164]

Ditto Mr. Guitar. Journeyman, Beth, Pallan, ScubaDoo well said. I'm not as well versed. For those who don't agree with them, i have to ask, where do we fight terrorism? Here in the US or abroad? If abroad, where? IMO this war is NOT about Saddam, oil, or freeing Iraqi's. It's about keeping 9/11 from happening again. Does anyone still remember how angry they were when we got hit in our own backyard? How about the USS Cole? Kohbar Towers? The first attack on the Twin Towers? I remember hearing nothing but "revenge" for killing 3,000 plus innocent Americans. And do you honestly believe they're going to stop? So...where do we get that revenge when terrorists are from many different countries? If we didn't strike somewhere all we would be hearing from these naysayers is "Why isn't this administration doing something about it?"
For those who don't think Al Qaeda is in Iraq, who do you think we're fighting? It's not all Iraqi's. The majority are foreign fighters. Do you think they spend there hard earned money and leave their families to go to Iraq just to fight Americans? Someone is paying them and convicing them that this is the right way to die. No, Al Qaeda doesn't control all the terrorist cells worldwide but that's by design. But the intent is clear and that's to kill Americans worldwide and eventually make Islam the ONLY religion in the world and it's left to each terrorist cell to find a way to do it. And we've already established the fact that Osama does not control the terrorists either. And no, he doesn't have oil or bombs, but he has money. Killing Osama wouldn't change anything as much as killing Saddam is going to have and that's little or no effect. And, no, Al Qaeda wasn't in math class. They're there to destroy them.
Now, I can't speak for all military members but I can tell you that there are no shortages of volunteers in the Marine Corps to go back again and again. For me it will be three, others have already done four tours despite seeing the death of friends first hand. Re-enlistments are up but, yes, we're having a difficult time getting mothers and fathers to allow their kids to enlist and that's understandable. Yes, we're all getting tired. I had planned on retiring 3 years ago but can't get myself to "quit" until our way of life is no longer threatened by those maniacs. Anyone still feel safe flying??? How about travelling abroad???
I think i've said more than I should be saying being active duty, but it really bothers me when people ridicule what we are doing to protect Americans and buy into conspiracy theories but have no answers themselves. Understand that NO war is perfect. Mistakes were made, are made, and always will be made during times of war and we could "what-if" the decisions to death but hindsight is 20/20. Some may say i'm brainwashed but so what. I believe what we're doing will help keep the terrorists too busy in Iraq to put their full efforts into attacking us here in the states. Just please remember that we were attacked on our own soil just like Pearl Harbor. But, unlike Pearl Harbor, we don't have a difinitive country to attack. If anyone has a foolproof strategy to defeat the terrorists, please, do tell!!! I'm sure the Pentagon would love to hear your ideas. Until then, i'll continue to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan rather than try to fight them here in the US.

 

[phixer]

To my understanding we went into Iraq in search of weapons of mass destruction, these weapons were found but not in the huge stockpiles that the intelligence had indicated was present. After few weapons were found the reason quickly shifted to terrorist hunting because Iraq is/was the hub for terrorist training. This was the secondary reason we invaded and continues to remain.
As long as the terrorists continue to be caught in this region there will be a need for us to pursue them there. The most wanted are turning up in this region all the time, this indicates a need for us to be there. The Viet Cong wove themselves into the fabric of society the same way these terrorists are doing now. Whether it be Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else the hunt takes us. We cannot allow them to rest.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by 1knight164
Ditto Mr. Guitar. Journeyman, Beth well said. I'm not as well versed as the two of you. ....
lol, seems like you said it quite well my friend.....

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
lol no offense but I hold no value to documents "recovered by the us millitary" Justification for entering Iraq is something they have been eager to find. "believed to be tied to alquada" Sorry but I have two brothers in Iraq and dont feel comfortable with them risking their lives for what we "believe" could be.
Why don't you take a little time and google a little document called Blessed July...and see what little Mr Angel Saddam was ready to do.
He was a swell guy

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Phixer
To my understanding we went into Iraq in search of weapons of mass destruction, these weapons were found but not in the huge stockpiles that the intelligence had indicated was present. After few weapons were found the reason quickly shifted to terrorist hunting because Iraq is/was the hub for terrorist training. This was the secondary reason we invaded and continues to remain.
As long as the terrorists continue to be caught in this region there will be a need for us to pursue them there. The most wanted are turning up in this region all the time, this indicates a need for us to be there. The Viet Cong wove themselves into the fabric of society the same way these terrorists are doing now. Whether it be Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else the hunt takes us. We cannot allow them to rest.

There is some evidence that they were moved to Syria prior to the invasion. You can study the matter and draw your own conclusions. I am of the personal opinion they were moved. I've brought some evidence to other discussions on this forum in the past.
We know he had them and used them in the past. Look at the individual...and ask yourslef if YOU beleive he saw the light and decided to become a Boy Scout Troop Leader. He destroyed the weapons and decided to embrace a new outlook as some mey claim.
That does not fly far off the ground with me....but it is just my opinion and I will not make such claims as this being "truth".
Please keep im mind this would not be a very large massive stockpile of weapons...these weapons would fit nicely in one very large "garage".

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by 1knight164
Ditto Mr. Guitar. Journeyman, Beth, Pallan, ScubaDoo well said. I'm not as well versed. For those who don't agree with them, i have to ask, where do we fight terrorism? Here in the US or abroad? If abroad, where? IMO this war is NOT about Saddam, oil, or freeing Iraqi's. It's about keeping 9/11 from happening again. Does anyone still remember how angry they were when we got hit in our own backyard? How about the USS Cole? Kohbar Towers? The first attack on the Twin Towers? I remember hearing nothing but "revenge" for killing 3,000 plus innocent Americans. And do you honestly believe they're going to stop? So...where do we get that revenge when terrorists are from many different countries? If we didn't strike somewhere all we would be hearing from these naysayers is "Why isn't this administration doing something about it?"
For those who don't think Al Qaeda is in Iraq, who do you think we're fighting? It's not all Iraqi's. The majority are foreign fighters. Do you think they spend there hard earned money and leave their families to go to Iraq just to fight Americans? Someone is paying them and convicing them that this is the right way to die. No, Al Qaeda doesn't control all the terrorist cells worldwide but that's by design. But the intent is clear and that's to kill Americans worldwide and eventually make Islam the ONLY religion in the world and it's left to each terrorist cell to find a way to do it. And we've already established the fact that Osama does not control the terrorists either. And no, he doesn't have oil or bombs, but he has money. Killing Osama wouldn't change anything as much as killing Saddam is going to have and that's little or no effect. And, no, Al Qaeda wasn't in math class. They're there to destroy them.
Now, I can't speak for all military members but I can tell you that there are no shortages of volunteers in the Marine Corps to go back again and again. For me it will be three, others have already done four tours despite seeing the death of friends first hand. Re-enlistments are up but, yes, we're having a difficult time getting mothers and fathers to allow their kids to enlist and that's understandable. Yes, we're all getting tired. I had planned on retiring 3 years ago but can't get myself to "quit" until our way of life is no longer threatened by those maniacs. Anyone still feel safe flying??? How about travelling abroad???
I think i've said more than I should be saying being active duty, but it really bothers me when people ridicule what we are doing to protect Americans and buy into conspiracy theories but have no answers themselves. Understand that NO war is perfect. Mistakes were made, are made, and always will be made during times of war and we could "what-if" the decisions to death but hindsight is 20/20. Some may say i'm brainwashed but so what. I believe what we're doing will help keep the terrorists too busy in Iraq to put their full efforts into attacking us here in the states. Just please remember that we were attacked on our own soil just like Pearl Harbor. But, unlike Pearl Harbor, we don't have a difinitive country to attack. If anyone has a foolproof strategy to defeat the terrorists, please, do tell!!! I'm sure the Pentagon would love to hear your ideas. Until then, i'll continue to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan rather than try to fight them here in the US.

Well said

 

[1journeyman]

I tend to agree that they were moved. Syria seems like the likely choice.
Either that or Saddam's scientists and leaders were lying to him and he thought he had weapons.
When it became obvious that we weren't backing down he was still defiant to the UN inspectors. That doesn't seem like the action of an "innocent" man.

 

[scubadoo]

ANOTHER FORMER HIGH-RANKING IRAQI OFFICIAL CONFIRMS WMD WENT TO SYRIA
The Changed Baathist: Interview with Ali Ibrahim Al-Tikriti
By: Ryan Mauro
Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti was a southern regional commander for Saddam Hussein’s Fedayeen militia in the late 1980s and a personal friend of the dictator. Units under his command dealt with chemical and biological weapons. He was known as the “Butcher of Basra” due to his campaigns and defected shortly before the Gulf War in 1991. This interview aims to gain some insight into the current situation in Iraq.
RM: Why do you think Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are in Syria? Why didn't he use them or simply destroy them before the war?
IT: I know Saddam's weapons are in Syria due to certain military deals that were made going as far back as the late 1980's that dealt with the event that either capitols were threatened with being overrun by an enemy nation. Not to mention I have discussed this in-depth with various contacts of mine who have confirmed what I already knew. At this point Saddam knew that the United States were eventually going to come for his weapons and the United States wasn't going to just let this go like they did in the original Gulf War. He knew that he had lied for this many years and wanted to maintain legitimacy with the pan Arab nationalists. He also has wanted since he took power to embarrass the West and this was the perfect opportunity to do so. After Saddam denied he had such weapons why would he use them or leave them readily available to be found? That would only legitimize President Bush, who he has a personal grudge against. What we are witnessing now is many who opposed the war to begin with are rallying around Saddam saying we overthrew a sovereign leader based on a lie about WMD. This is exactly what Saddam wanted and predicted.

 

[team2jndd]

omg i just typed a long response and it got erased. ok attempt two. I feel like im fighting a 10 sided war here lol. Ok ill start from the first arguement. (30 extra high) Pretty much everything you said was... well nevermind. We arent at war with Iraq's people. We provide them aid because they have been left poor and starving by their failure of a leader. Not giving them aid after bombing their homes and cities is the same as murdering them. (that is the ones we actually havent killed) To say we should just nuke them... well im hoping you were kidding because thats the kind of statement that makes pretty much all other countries hate us. The whole well we have the power to do what we want and so we will do what we want mentality does give off a slightly arrogant touch. Now (ice4ice) I agree with alot of what you said. We cant win this war mainly because most people have no idea what its over. I dont believe in the word terrorist. Thats my honest opinion. Flame away. These people are pissed about something. I dont know what but I dont have a hard time believing theyve been provoked by us. We have that effect on people lol. What they do is wrong. Attacking civilians is a cowardly attempt at getting your point recognized. Every act of terrorism has a deeper seeded agenda. The line drawn between terorism and patriotic martyr will indeffinately shift when the marker is passed to the next person. No, our allies dont send aid but lets be honest we dont need it. We are the richest nation in the world. What we spend money on doesnt depend on how much we have or what it costs its all about what its for. I dont think the katrina victims feel let down by france or england. They feel forgotten by their own people. The people who can spend billions on a war to emancipate the Iraqi people but cant offer a helping hand to its own. Pallan everything you said was well said. I dont agree with most of it but thats how these things go. I personally dont feel that the majority of Iraq's people are happy with our invasion. We only see what media shows and tells us. The rest is direct from the government. Being that government pretty much runs media what we see is what they show. Journeyman, I dont know where you are from so because of taxes gas prices will differ. However, im in southern NY and our gas prices have dropped almost a dollar from last winter. As supply decreases and demand remains the same, (or in our case increases because every family needs a full size SUV) price should increase. I know demand hasnt gone down so obviously our supply has been helped somewhere. We killed sadam. We put him on a silver platter and handed him to the people that wanted him dead. Thats as good as doing it ourselves. Scubadoo, I didnt read that article because well its really long and im not THAT big of a loser. Hoever i did read the sources and almost if not all (cant remember) said US somewhere in it. Find me an article with information supported by both sides and I will give it credibility. And finally with ur last point, I never said i support sadam at all im glad hes dead he is scum. Im having trouble understanding your point?
Keep in mind as pallan said, nothing I say is meant to offend and I am not trying to argue I am just stating my point and honestly feel that everybodys opinion is speculation because nobody outside of our government and the sadam and his followers actually knows what has happened or will happen. I am just throwing out my own opinions. I personally have no respect for our president or the people he has surrounded himself with.

 

[team2jndd]

If the weapons are in syria, why are we in Iraq? If they are there clearly Syria is an Iraqi allie and logically should be invaded as well. (I dont support any more invasions im just asking if the logic of invading Iraq was to find these weapons than why havent we followed through with reports such as this?)