Saddam Hussein Hung!

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
omg i just typed a long response and it got erased. ok attempt two. I feel like im fighting a 10 sided war here lol. Ok ill start from the first arguement. (30 extra high) Pretty much everything you said was... well nevermind. We arent at war with Iraq's people. We provide them aid because they have been left poor and starving by their failure of a leader. Not giving them aid after bombing their homes and cities is the same as murdering them. (that is the ones we actually havent killed) To say we should just nuke them... well im hoping you were kidding because thats the kind of statement that makes pretty much all other countries hate us. The whole well we have the power to do what we want and so we will do what we want mentality does give off a slightly arrogant touch. Now (ice4ice) I agree with alot of what you said. We cant win this war mainly because most people have no idea what its over. I dont believe in the word terrorist. Thats my honest opinion. Flame away. These people are pissed about something. I dont know what but I dont have a hard time believing theyve been provoked by us. We have that effect on people lol. What they do is wrong. Attacking civilians is a cowardly attempt at getting your point recognized. Every act of terrorism has a deeper seeded agenda. The line drawn between terorism and patriotic martyr will indeffinately shift when the marker is passed to the next person. No, our allies dont send aid but lets be honest we dont need it. We are the richest nation in the world. What we spend money on doesnt depend on how much we have or what it costs its all about what its for. I dont think the katrina victims feel let down by france or england. They feel forgotten by their own people. The people who can spend billions on a war to emancipate the Iraqi people but cant offer a helping hand to its own. Pallan everything you said was well said. I dont agree with most of it but thats how these things go. I personally dont feel that the majority of Iraq's people are happy with our invasion. We only see what media shows and tells us. The rest is direct from the government. Being that government pretty much runs media what we see is what they show. Journeyman, I dont know where you are from so because of taxes gas prices will differ. However, im in southern NY and our gas prices have dropped almost a dollar from last winter. As supply decreases and demand remains the same, (or in our case increases because every family needs a full size SUV) price should increase. I know demand hasnt gone down so obviously our supply has been helped somewhere. We killed sadam. We put him on a silver platter and handed him to the people that wanted him dead. Thats as good as doing it ourselves. Scubadoo, I didnt read that article because well its really long and im not THAT big of a loser. Hoever i did read the sources and almost if not all (cant remember) said US somewhere in it. Find me an article with information supported by both sides and I will give it credibility. And finally with ur last point, I never said i support sadam at all im glad hes dead he is scum. Im having trouble understanding your point?

You have ZERO unerstanding of radical Islam facists.
Until such time you have this understanding....you have ZERO understanding of what we are fighting.
 

scubadoo

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To put it simply...Jews and the west in general should be destroyed...period.
Not all muslims beleive, practice and share this radical view...but the numers that do are growing by any relaiable estimate.
Syria is on the list....remember that list?
Why have we not invaded Syria.........who says we will not?
Continue to ignore this radical "movement" and we will be hit here at home...again and again.
If you do not understand the "mission" of these radicals...then you do not understand the battle.
I suggesst you take some time and research the matter.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
.... I dont believe in the word terrorist. Thats my honest opinion. Flame away. These people are pissed about something. I dont know what but I dont have a hard time believing theyve been provoked by us. We have that effect on people lol. What they do is wrong. Attacking civilians is a cowardly attempt at getting your point recognized. Every act of terrorism has a deeper seeded agenda. The line drawn between terorism and patriotic martyr will indeffinately shift when the marker is passed to the next person. ...
To which nation is Al Queda being patriotic too?
You could argue that the palestinians are "patriots" if you want (of course I'd vehemently disagree but that's another topic) as they at least are a nation. Al Queda members are terrorists, plain and simple. They don't fight for a flag, they are fighting a religious jihad.
I agree they've been provoked by us. They don't like the fact that women here don't wear veils and are allowed to go to school. They're ticked off at us becasue we don't pray to Mecca 5 times a day and we have freedom of speech, press and religion. They go to sleep at night dreaming of the day when the whole world is under Sharia Law.
That's what provokes them.
 

scubadoo

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The terrorists and their suicide missions are carried out because it is their beleif they will receive a reward in the next life for these heroic "acts". It has nothing at all to do with patriotism.
 

team2jndd

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haha come on journey you are better than that. How many nations pray to allah 5 times a day? How many nations have their women hide themselves? Come on, you know thats not the problem they have with us. Im not going to reread my post because it was long and I cant believe i actually sat to write it let alone reread itbut i though I put both patriot and martyr. Their religion is their way of life. Their whole life they arent taught math and science like we are they learn religion and war. Its a different region with different customs. When all you know is one thing, wouldnt you be willing to die for it as well? ecspecially when that one thing says you will be rewarded beyond beliefe for that sacrifice. These people believe that afterlife will be significantly better than their current life. (who can blame them they live in hell) And scuba im not claiming to know everything about this topic im just throwing out the opinions I have towards it. Mine may be biased because of my situation with my brothers but it is what it is.
 

team2jndd

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Im tired now being that its 3 am and im talking politics (not gonna lie i feel like QUITE the loser) Let me leave with this, its my belief (again please dont take offense) that religion is and has always been the greatest divider of mankind. Alot of what I said tonight will look like I am trying to offer reprieve for these terrorists. That is not the case. I just honestly feel that until all sides offer to attempt an understanding of eachother, conflict will never end. The muslims believe they are freedom fighters. They would not call themselves freedom fighters if they felt they were free. Clearly Sadam is not who they feel is impeding on their freedom for they attack us and not him. I cant even pretend to know any of what goes on over there I just think that its alot easier to say they are the bad guys and we are all good. It makes us all feel better. I think our nation is being lead by scum who is not afraid to tell lies to make themselves appear to be better.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
Scubadoo, I didnt read that article because well its really long and im not THAT big of a loser.
If you do not wish to take the time and read...then I am not certain how you arrive at your conclusions. Drinking the Kool AId being served?
It certainly does not make my points correct...it does point out that you have not taken the time to research the subject matter...yet you have in some of your postings the word "truth".
It appears to me you have a misunderstanding of what exactly we are fighting if I have to explain radical Islam.
I am by no means an expert...but I have taken some time trying to gather some fundamental understanding of the enemy....yes the enmey that has PLEDGED and SWORN to destroy the west and the Jews.
 

team2jndd

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Scuba, ive done plenty of research. My brothers have sent pictures and videos of Iraq and what we have done. Just ecause we havent sworn to destroy Iraq and its people doesnt mean it hasnt been done.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
haha come on journey you are better than that. How many nations pray to allah 5 times a day? How many nations have their women hide themselves? Come on, you know thats not the problem they have with us...
Are you kidding? That is EXACTLY the problem they have with us.
 

team2jndd

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Besides for the middle eastern countries... who does do those things? Yet they hate us? Havent heard of any suicide bombers in asia russia germany or any of the sort. But I guess thats because I dont do my research.
 

scubadoo

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[QUOTE=team2jndd. Just ecause we havent sworn to destroy Iraq and its people doesnt mean it hasnt been done.
So, it is your position that the military is intentionally killing civilians?
That is the MO of the enemy.
 

team2jndd

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well if by intentionally you mean thats the goal than no.
However, i feel if you know dropping a bomb in area A will cause x amount of civilian casualties and oyu do it anyway, thats intentional. ok listen I've said all I have to say I dont come here to argue but thats clearly how its been interpreted. Im done with the topic happy new year to everyone.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
Besides for the middle eastern countries... who does do those things? Yet they hate us? Havent heard of any suicide bombers in asia russia germany or any of the sort. But I guess thats because I dont do my research.
Before and after September 11, 2001
The events of September 11, 2001 have given the word “terrorism” an entirely new meaning. As more is learned about the incredibly barbaric acts of that day, and as stories about terrorist strikes around the world dominate the news, it seems even more important than before to know the history of terrorism. There was also a German connection to the horrific attacks in New York and Washington, DC. Several of the alleged Arab attackers lived in Hamburg and had other German contacts. But then they also lived quietly in Florida while preparing for their deadly project.
As I re-read the words below, written years before the 9/11 attacks, it struck me that, although we are now in a new age of terrorism, there is something to be learned from the previous varieties. The root cause is still fanaticism; only the level of killing and destruction has changed.
While Germany has had its home-grown terrorists, most notably the RAF (Red Army Faction, see below), terrorism in Germany is not always “German.” When the Americans still had a large military presence in Germany, they sometimes became the target of terrorists. The worst example is the 1986 bombing of the La Belle nightclub in Berlin that was frequented by U.S. soldiers stationed in the city. Although the Libyans were at the top of the suspect list, it now seems there was also complicity by the former East German government in helping carry out that deadly attack. In October 1996 several Palastinians were arrested in that case.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
Besides for the middle eastern countries... who does do those things? Yet they hate us? Havent heard of any suicide bombers in asia russia germany or any of the sort. But I guess thats because I dont do my research.
It wasn't too long ago that islamic rebels in Chetznia killed a couple hundred school kids.
Research the rebellion in Timor for problems with radicals in Asia. Also look at info regarding Malaysia.
If you look at much of the civil unrest in Africa you'll find it is also caused by islamic fanatics.
The UK has been attacked, don't forget the horrific train bombings a couple of years ago in Spain.
Etc., Etc., Etc.
 

team2jndd

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when i said they arent there i meant they dont attack those places. now stop lol i dont want to talk abot it anymore im tired you win. Good conversation good arguement good night.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
well if by intentionally you mean thats the goal than no.
However, i feel if you know dropping a bomb in area A will cause x amount of civilian casualties and oyu do it anyway, thats intentional. ok listen I've said all I have to say I dont come here to argue but thats clearly how its been interpreted. Im done with the topic happy new year to everyone.
Definition of War...kill people and destroy "things".
Take all measures not to harm innocent civilains...but sometimes it happens.
Quit drinking the Kool AId.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
when i said they arent there i meant they dont attack those places. now stop lol i dont want to talk abot it anymore im tired you win. Good conversation good arguement good night.
The places I listed are places they've attacked recently.
Goodnight. Happy new year to you as well, and good luck with the Betta (from the other thread).
 

team2jndd

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haha whered you get that deffinition? the dictionary says war is a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air. Between nations. Says nothing about civilians. Im amazed you can say well it happens about people dieing. You are a sad individual. I hope someday you can be the "whoops it happens" see how your understanding of it changes.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
when i said they arent there i meant they dont attack those places. now stop lol i dont want to talk abot it anymore im tired you win. Good conversation good arguement good night.
Jman has posted a nice little list for you. They will attack us anywhere . Any western interest in general will be WIPED OUT given the oppurtunity ANY place on the face of this earth...this is their mission.
 
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