Saddam Hussein Hung!

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
haha whered you get that deffinition? the dictionary says war is a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air. Between nations. Says nothing about civilians. Im amazed you can say well it happens about people dieing. You are a sad individual. I hope someday you can be the "whoops it happens" see how your understanding of it changes.
That is the defintion I give it....if you are at war you are destroying infrastructure, weapons, etc that aid the enemy. People fight wars...people will die. Plain and simple. Cviailn casulaties will always happen.
HOWEVER...the enemy does not care if their target is military or civilian...that is the DIFFERENCE between us and them.
I have refrained from launching any peronal attacks. I can assure you I am by no means a sad individual. I'll refrain from further comment on this area.
I am simply stating fact about war...civilian casulties happen.
have a nice sleep.
 
scubadoo

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
haha whered you get that deffinition? the dictionary says war is a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air. Between nations. Says nothing about civilians. Im amazed you can say well it happens about people dieing. You are a sad individual. I hope someday you can be the "whoops it happens" see how your understanding of it changes.
That is also the defininition of a conventional war. The rats, roaches, and other rodents called terrorists hide out in holes and in caves. THey set up shop in neigborhoods. Thier battleground is ANY place, building or town. They would gladly come to your town if given the chance and wipe out the entire city. There is no need for any military institution to be present.
Thier is no "nation"...but they all rally behind a common cause...to destroy the west and the Jews......and could care less if they toss a bottle rocket and it hits a military target or a civilian area.
Perhaps if the rats chose to fight by conventional means...the civilian causlities would be less.
 
aw2x3

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I cant believe journeyman and scuba are still actually carrying on the conversation. I would've given up on a lost cause ALONG time ago.
team has alot of good advice, when it comes to the subject of this board but when it comes to knowledge of the world at hand, he's certainly lacking in that dept.
I'm not going to jump into this conversation and write out a long post, because all of the points I would have made have already been made and have been VERY well said by people like Scuba, journeyman and Pallan.
You say your brothers send you back pictures of what we're doing in Iraq? Why are your brothers there, fighting in the first place? Were they some of the reservists who "wanted money for college" and never thought they'd be sent to war? You're talking down to a board full of veterans and people who's relatives are in that God forsaken country, as we speak, protecting our livelyhood and well being (I was one of them for many years...Aviation Ordnanceman, aboard the USS Constellation CV64 and ultimately a member of US Navy EOD Special Clearance Team One).
The points you've made have been rediculous (as someone else said...the war's about oil????...then why am I still paying almost $3 a gallon, for gasoline?!?!)
 
tx reef

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I think they should have forced him to wear a maids outfit all day and shove a pineapple up his butt everyday at 4:00.......(just like they did Hitler in Little Nicky) :hilarious
 
imurnamine

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Originally Posted by fatcats
On the death penalty thing " AN eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind" Ghandi

Yay, I love you.
And Ghandi.
 
beth

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AW, sometimes people post for the "general" interests of those who read, rather than just trying to argue or convince someone of something.
Over the years, I have gotten into the habit of posting in the Disease Forum in this matter, when members post bad or arguable advise. It is not to degrade their opinion, but counter it for the many guests and members who just read, and don't necessarily get directly involved.
Political topics do tend to get down and dirty. We are so fortunate and take so for granted our freedom to voice publicly our opinions. Something, until recently, that Iraqis were never allowed to do without threat of life and liberty.
We have an obligation to help rebuild this country, and secure it as an ally for the USA.
As for oil...so what if "it is for oil"! When is the last time you (or any of us) did without it? We need the oil as much as we need to breath. So, the countries that produce oil, need to be stable and "friendly". If that is too Machiavellian, then too bad, imo.
 
reefreak29

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Originally Posted by fatcats
On the death penalty thing " AN eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind" Ghandi
if any one ever killed someone i know i would want there blood to shed
 
team2jndd

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AW lol I dont mean to disrespect the navy but unless you are a navy fighter pilot... Iraq is landlocked. One of my brothers who was a marine is now out of the millitary and doing land contracting. My other brother who is still in Iraq is an engineer as an officer and doing his 20 years. Lol say what you want about my brother who joined the marines as a last resort to get into college... he was a marine in infantry who was of the first to go to Iraq. He saw more battle than most of the people over there. He lost several friends in battle so how dare you try to dimean anybody in the service based on their intentions for entering the millitary? Anybody who serves this country deserves nothing but a heroes welcome and I'm dissapointed that a "millitary man" can be so disrespectful. Even after my brothers first tour he had to volunteer four times until they would finally clear him to return. I think perhaps you should think and maybe read? before you speak. Why would I support a war that has caused me not to see either of my brothers in three years? I see no personal gain for myself in this war. I also see no point in arguing this thread nobodys going to change my mind nor will i change anyone elses.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
AW lol I dont mean to disrespect the navy but unless you are a navy fighter pilot... Iraq is landlocked.. .
One of my former students graduated Naval Academy. He's currently flying supplies from kuwait into Iraq on a daily basis. In a giant, slow, helicopter. He's one of several friends, former students, etc. who are serving over there. I too get to see pictures and hear first hand how things are going.
He's been shot at. He's in as much danger as anyone else.
Team, you're right: every member of the arms service deserves respect.
Also as you said, I'm not trying to change your mind, but I did want to post some facts for anyone who isn't aware of the complexity of the war.
My sister is a flight attendant based in Newark, NJ. I'd much rather our trained military be fighting terrorists in Iraq as opposed to her and her crew trying to take them on in commercial airplanes and city streets.
 
poniegirl

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In my uneducated opinion, the death sentence for Saddam was the only option.
For a horrifying moment, let's consider having him housed somewhere on our American soil, to live out his life. Or any other country, for that matter. Don't think for a moment that that would be the end of that.
Returning him to his native land for the sentence to be carried out, again, makes me sleep better.
As has been said, these people and their beliefs are so focused on self and rewards for furthering their beliefs that they don't consider any life as important...not even their own. It's bizarre and very frightening.
We need to keep 9/11 very much in our minds when we consider our part in securing democratic governments for countries like Iraq. Planes full of our own innocent brothers and sisters, buildings full, slaughtered for what?
I don't think this is a case of an eye for an eye. I think we have to take responsibility as a nation of strength and resources and let it be known that we will not tolerate terrorism in our own or any other country. How do we have a choice?
 
phixer

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Originally Posted by AW2x3
I cant believe journeyman and scuba are still actually carrying on the conversation. I would've given up on a lost cause ALONG time ago.
team has alot of good advice, when it comes to the subject of this board but when it comes to knowledge of the world at hand, he's certainly lacking in that dept.
I'm not going to jump into this conversation and write out a long post, because all of the points I would have made have already been made and have been VERY well said by people like Scuba, journeyman and Pallan.
You say your brothers send you back pictures of what we're doing in Iraq? Why are your brothers there, fighting in the first place? Were they some of the reservists who "wanted money for college" and never thought they'd be sent to war? You're talking down to a board full of veterans and people who's relatives are in that God forsaken country, as we speak, protecting our livelyhood and well being (I was one of them for many years...Aviation Ordnanceman, aboard the USS Constellation CV64 and ultimately a member of US Navy EOD Special Clearance Team One).
The points you've made have been rediculous (as someone else said...the war's about oil????...then why am I still paying almost $3 a gallon, for gasoline?!?!)
IYAOYAS :hilarious
 
phixer

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Actually for the past 12 months the Navy has began to augment the Army and Marine Corps in Iraq and Afghanistan. The term is called Individual Augmentation. Sailors are going over by the thousands, not just HMs but many other ratings as well, it really dosent matter how "land locked" an area is, when the demand is there the mission changes and other branches are deployed / detached where necessary.
What I find most interesting is the servicemembers who are there and continue to return for multiple tours. It seems like the ones who oppose this war most are the ones who are furthest removed from the battlefront.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Phixer
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What I find most interesting is the servicemembers who are there and continue to return for multiple tours. It seems like the ones who oppose this war most are the ones who are furthest removed from the battlefront.
Agreed. I've heard several soldiers say "Just leave us alone and let us win this".
In the past 50 years or so we've seen an increase in media involvement in the battlefield. This is crippling our military, imho.
 
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