Smoking ban in public places

[darthtang aw]

what worked? The fact that the whiners of american false civil rights once again got something done that didn't need done and ignored the more pressing issues in the state? Yep you are correct. It worked all right....You feel safer now that your government has banned smoking...Didn't realize smoke was such a killer that you couldn't avoid it without the help of your local government.....I am so glad you are self reliant.

 

[alex4286]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
Boohoo, work somewhere else then. I don't hear the marching band mantra for health taking up the plight of the metal finishing worker...every chemical they handle, work around and breath in, is a cancer carcinagen....75% of metal finishing employees die from cancer.....
Give me a break.
boohoo 'maybe you shouldn't be a metal finisher' then!
so you want us to feel bad for metal finishers but not for nonsmokers who have to deal with smoke not by their choice?
your obviously a smoker and a hypocrite

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Alex4286
boohoo 'maybe you shouldn't be a metal finisher' then!
so you want us to feel bad for metal finishers but not for nonsmokers who have to deal with smoke not by their choice?
your obviously a smoker and a hypocrite

Did you duck or something because that went right over your head. Ok, let me explain it out for you.
The comment regarding smoke in someone's work environment is dumb because there are worse work environments and no one cares. So to use that as a point in itself is hypocritical....which was my whole point.
Yes I am a smoker, so what of it? I also told the smokers to stop complaining and take the five minutes of their life toi go outside and smoke....it isn't harming them to stand outside.
How about you take the time to actually READ my posts then get back to me. Basically I have called both sides of the debate/argumant/legislature dumb. Because whether there is a ban or not YOU STILL HAVE CHOICES!!!

 

[alex4286]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
Wrong, 75% of restaurants and 90% of major restaurant chains were smoke free areas before most smoking bans. You can't tell me there isn't any restaurants where you live that aren't smoke free....
Well here in Illinois, its mostly the Clubs, Bars & sport centers that do NOT have a nonsmoking section at all whatsoever that effect everyone.

 

[jonthefishguy]

Hey darth, why are you getting so worked up? Its just a conversation.

 

[alex4286]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
Did you duck or something because that went right over your head. Ok, let me explain it out for you.
The comment regarding smoke in someone's work environment is dumb because there are worse work environments and no one cares. So to use that as a point in itself is hypocritical....which was my whole point.
Yes I am a smoker, so what of it? I also told the smokers to stop complaining and take the five minutes of their life toi go outside and smoke....it isn't harming them to stand outside.
How about you take the time to actually READ my posts then get back to me. Basically I have called both sides of the debate/argumant/legislature dumb. Because whether there is a ban or not YOU STILL HAVE CHOICES!!!
Uh no. I did read your post and it has no point to it at all what so ever. Your just bitter. So what you should be saying is maybe metal finishers should speak up and fight like what all the nonsmokers who are being effected by smoke are doing! Look how far we got. I doubt it would of lead to this if no one spoke up. Its our right, and not stupid to talk about it.

 

[team2jndd]

darth I dont imagine you to be a very pleasant person in real life. to be honest I rarely see one of your posts that don't make me ignore the thread from that point on. I don't intend to be rude here but this was a decent conversation until you entered it.

 

[steeliathunder]

I am a metal worker and finisher by trade and it is up to me to wear proper safety equipment/respirators so I dont die. If others working in my vicinity choose not to protect themselves, that is their prerogative. It is also their responsibility not to get caught on fire or get sparks imbedded in their eyeballs where I am working. If I am in full leathers with my hood on welding, I'm not looking out for your retinas, look out for your own. Shop law. Nobody cries to the government about it. If you have a problem protecting yourself, go work somewhere else. It is dangerous labor. We do all we can to protect ourselves, but in the industry, there is only so much OSHA can do.
On topic...
When my favorite bar became non-smoking due to the recent ban, I found a new favorite bar. A 21+ only establishment that is quickly becoming the hot spot in my town because they do not discriminate. If you are worried about your health, why are you at a BAR? Go to Starbucks.

 

[fishygurl]

Originally Posted by SteeliaThunder
If you are worried about your health, why are you at a BAR? Go to Starbucks.

NO! Caribou!

 

[steeliathunder]

wherever!

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Alex4286
Uh no. I did read your post and it has no point to it at all what so ever. Your just bitter. So what you should be saying is maybe metal finishers should speak up and fight like what all the nonsmokers who are being effected by smoke are doing! Look how far we got. I doubt it would of lead to this if no one spoke up. Its our right, and not stupid to talk about it.

I said posts...the plural form. glad I could help.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by SteeliaThunder
I am a metal worker and finisher by trade and it is up to me to wear proper safety equipment/respirators so I dont die. If others working in my vicinity choose not to protect themselves, that is their prerogative. It is also their responsibility not to get caught on fire or get sparks imbedded in their eyeballs where I am working. If I am in full leathers with my hood on welding, I'm not looking out for your retinas, look out for your own. Shop law. Nobody cries to the government about it. If you have a problem protecting yourself, go work somewhere else. It is dangerous labor. We do all we can to protect ourselves, but in the industry, there is only so much OSHA can do.

Metal finishing and Metal working are two different fields. I am referring to those that Chrome plate and such. True OSHA and other's can only go so far and companies are required to only provide so much protection. Yet just standing outside the building breathing the air you will breath toxic chemicals into your lungs. Once again my point is you don't like the risk, find a different occupation.

 

[steeliathunder]

I know the difference between metal working and metal finishing. I know the difference between shop and factory environments.
i think as defensive as your reply reads, we are still talking about the same thing.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
darth I dont imagine you to be a very pleasant person in real life. to be honest I rarely see one of your posts that don't make me ignore the thread from that point on. I don't intend to be rude here but this was a decent conversation until you entered it.
I am sorry I feel it is a conversation and debate that basically boils down to people not liking to have to make choices. I tend to side a bit with the non smokers as if a business allows smokers they have no choice but to inhale the smoke if the wish to frequent the business. However, they have a choice to be their in the first place.
My whole problem with this type of debate and discussion is ultimately you have a choice. Which is more important to you is what it boils down to. Going to your favorite bar and enjoying a few drinks in a smoke atmosphere or going to a different establishment that may not be as "hopping" and not be in a smoke atmosphere.
Bottomline is you have a choice both ways. Smokers can still smoke and go outside if there is a ban. If there isn't a government ban, non smokers can frequent places such as TGIF or chili's and still enjoy their meal and drinks in a non smoke environment.
No one's rights are being violated in either scenario. I choose to smoke, so I go outside if I am required to with no complaint. But don't complain to me if you are in a bar that allows smoking and you sit in it for a drink. You had the choice.
As for your perception of me, that is your opinion and welcome to it, but you and I always sit on the opposite side of the fence on many a political issue, maybe that has something to do with it as well.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by SteeliaThunder
I know the difference between metal working and metal finishing. I know the difference between shop and factory environments.
i think as defensive as your reply reads, we are still talking about the same thing.

Operating a grinder or machine press is noit the same thing as breathing Trivalent chrome fumes or Hydrochloric acid fumes. However you make great points about regulations and safety and choosing whether or not use proper gear. I saw many a person never use the right gear while I was in that field.
Once again it brings us back to choices......non smokers and smokers alike have choices either way.

 

[steeliathunder]

Yes, unless you are grinding and sanding a lot of stainless steel, which can kill you just like chemical fumes can. Even in my small metals shop at home I play with a lot of arsenic and nitric, but hey that's my choice. right?
Actually I have agreed with you through most of this thread. I was even going to mention Tgif and Chilis... funny.

 

[brandon7491]

tbh i kinda flip flop on the issue. i mean yea yea its great that u can go in a restarunt and not smell the odor of smoke and have to feel uncomfortable while u eat or drink but then again to a certain degree its the begining of socialism. they have already tried to ban guns and they uped the age limit on them, they ban smoking in public areas,whats next no alcohol? i do think there should be designated areas for people to smoke at public places. Forinstance what that do at airports and stadiums they have designated smoker areas. Now what i do believe and this is totally off topic but the reason that they do allow people to smoke at 18 vs not letting people drink alcohol until they are 21 is because smoking dosent kill anyone but you while alcohol can kill other people.

 

[darknes]

Originally Posted by brandon7491
Now what i do believe and this is totally off topic but the reason that they do allow people to smoke at 18 vs not letting people drink alcohol until they are 21 is because smoking dosent kill anyone but you while alcohol can kill other people.
I don't think that's true. Alcohol impairs your judgement, and smoking does not.

 

[kerriann]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
Wrong, 75% of restaurants and 90% of major restaurant chains were smoke free areas before most smoking bans. You can't tell me there isn't any restaurants where you live that aren't smoke free....

you're right, i have eat n park, mcdonalds, wendys or burger king. gee, what will i choose??? not all restaurants are smoke free around the world sparky. in fact in some "primative" cities like mine most aren't. and don't give me that no smoking section BS that's like having a no peeing section in a swimming pool

 

[kerriann]

oh and on top of that we have ZERO bars that are smoke free - nice try though