Squidd.......Teach me.....DYI:Plumbing 101 on a SW Tank
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shoogieboo
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k squidd your tha man or so i was told, i have no idea how any of this works. i have an empty tank not drilled and i need to know what to do for my filtration and how it has to go equip needed and all remember. i'm a sw virgin :jumping: and being told many diff things from wet/dry bioballs to drilling my tank. i'm interested in fowlr a little rock to start i understand it takes a while to get it cycled and all that i just need to know how to design my filtration since that is the heart of the tank..thanks for ur help
low8x2
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But, since you aren't actually increasing pressure but returning it to the original pump pressure at the 3/4 outlet of the pump shouldn't you get nearly the same flow minus the actual 4' or so of head? I thought the oversizing of the pipe was a design to get rid of friction and increases in head preasure from the 90's and such?
Yes? No? Maybe?
Yes? No? Maybe?
squidd
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since you aren't actually increasing pressure but returning it to the original pump pressure at the 3/4 outlet of the pump
Actually, right at the pump "outlet" you have "0" pressure...(the outlet is still part of the "working pump design")...which gets you X amount of water "at" the outlet at "0" head..
So ANYTHING you add on after that is a "restriction", adds pressure and reduces flow...
Actually, right at the pump "outlet" you have "0" pressure...(the outlet is still part of the "working pump design")...which gets you X amount of water "at" the outlet at "0" head..
So ANYTHING you add on after that is a "restriction", adds pressure and reduces flow...
shoogieboo
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squidd i have a question, the sump is just the holding tank for my material right? so what do i put in it how many sections would i need to divide it and do i need a refugium for fowlr? thanks
squidd
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Originally posted by Leona
We need the layout for the tank.
Is everything the same?
1 left end panel hole 1 3/4"
1 right end panel hole 1 3/4"
1 Left Back hole 1 3/4"
1 Middle back hole 2 3/8"
1 Right back hole 1 3/4"
Let's discuss this..
2 Standard size Corner Overflows 1 on each corner
yep
Euro Bracing
NO center bracing? I've heard that you have to tell him this. That's what I want correct. That's the glass that he will put in the middle across the tank.
yep
Is that it? Is that correct. I think I will also order the bulkheads through him and I will need 5 correct?
yep
Do I need to map this out to him or If I explained it to him it would be good enough. If I have to map it out I might need help. Does it matter if the middle holes are in a straight line or triangle or spaced out.
yep
The holes in the corner will he know exactly were to put them or do I need to tell him this.
Corner overflows will be his design...
I'm assuming I need to take into consideration about my sand bed also when figuring out were the holes go. Also we will be adding steel bars under our home to support the weight of the tank.
Leona
Basicly we/you will want to "pre plan" your Rock layout and Flow direction, so we can tell him where you want it...
You have several choices here and no ONE is "best" but some are not as good...
Fist thing to decide is if you want your flow to come "out " from under/behind the Rocks...or wash "over" them from outside or some combo...
Then you want to look at Rock and Coral "placement" so they are not sitting in a direcr "blast" or covering the outlet...
(Some of this will obviously have to be done "after the fact" )
What we have "layed out" (above) is a Combo flow setup...
With two of the outlets in the back...behind the rock blowing out...and two outlets in the side panels "washing" over the front...with a center back pick up...
Kind of like this...
squidd
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This Layout while effectively moving water, would require "pipes" going in the "Sides" of your tank...
They would be "visable"...on the sides...:thinking: But they give you more "directions" for flow...(forward and from sides)
The next option would be to have them "All" in the back...
Either all behind blowing out...
Or two low and behind and two higher and "rolling over" towards the front...
All piping would be hidden behind tank, but not as much "direction" to flow...(all shoots forward)
Keep in mind the O/M 4-Way "alternates" the outlets so either layout will still have "random" flow...
Another option for either layout would be to add Loc-Line "Aimable" outlets or the O/M Revs (which "switch" direction each cycle)...
They would be "visable"...on the sides...:thinking: But they give you more "directions" for flow...(forward and from sides)
The next option would be to have them "All" in the back...
Either all behind blowing out...
Or two low and behind and two higher and "rolling over" towards the front...
All piping would be hidden behind tank, but not as much "direction" to flow...(all shoots forward)
Keep in mind the O/M 4-Way "alternates" the outlets so either layout will still have "random" flow...
Another option for either layout would be to add Loc-Line "Aimable" outlets or the O/M Revs (which "switch" direction each cycle)...
shoogieboo
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i'm seeing all of these digrams and its helping alot one question i have is do i need any kind of media in my sump all i see is you all have live sand/rock but what about carbon, sponges? does anyone have any pics of their sumps? with media and all . i'm starting to understand how it all comes together now . any advice is appreciated
leona
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Originally posted by shoogieboo
i'm seeing all of these digrams and its helping alot one question i have is do i need any kind of media in my sump all i see is you all have live sand/rock but what about carbon, sponges? does anyone have any pics of their sumps? with media and all . i'm starting to understand how it all comes together now . any advice is appreciated
I will be using a separte canister filter for carbon and other media as needed. Other then that it's just LR,LS.
Leona
leona
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Originally posted by Squidd
This Layout while effectively moving water, would require "pipes" going in the "Sides" of your tank...
They would be "visable"...on the sides...:thinking: But they give you more "directions" for flow...(forward and from sides)
Ok, I need to break this down a little in my head. So forgive me if I sound stupid.
If I decide with the combo. The pipes that will be going in the sides. I have 1 major concern and 1 not so major.
1st BIG major........How visable will these pipes be. Could MY kids grab hold and break them? Or my cats jump on them and so on? How long of a pipe are we talking. Could it wrap around the corner of the tank with an elbow?
2 minor: Does it have to Hang straight down the side of the tank? I need it explained a little more into detail.
Let's do this part then I will finish looking at the rest. I really like the combo BUt. Safety is now a concern. Keep in MIND 3,2 4month old and a clumsy 13 yr old.
Leona
acrylic51
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Originally posted by Squidd
This Layout while effectively moving water, would require "pipes" going in the "Sides" of your tank...
They would be "visable"...on the sides...:thinking: But they give you more "directions" for flow...(forward and from sides)
The next option would be to have them "All" in the back...
Either all behind blowing out...
Or two low and behind and two higher and "rolling over" towards the front...
All piping would be hidden behind tank, but not as much "direction" to flow...(all shoots forward)
Keep in mind the O/M 4-Way "alternates" the outlets so either layout will still have "random" flow...
Another option for either layout would be to add Loc-Line "Aimable" outlets or the O/M Revs (which "switch" direction each cycle)...
Sorry about butting in but why would you want pipes visible on the ends of the tank??? I see in the above the mentioning of running an OM??? If that is the case why not have your euro bracing drilled where you can drop your pipe through the hole (I'll have to explain in some detail) and then use the OM Revs that can be attached to the OM??? I've contacted the guy and he said that they would withdraw from the water and you can make them nearly invisible when not in use..... To me this would be a much cleaner look than PVC on the ends of the tank. You could do the back as planned but really have to scratch my head on the side panels.... And with Leonas' little one's I think that's a definite problem to worry about.....
And even better you could split the lines coming off the OM and have more than 4 and have 2 or more lines at the front glass blowing back and it would all be hidden under the canopy and could be run without interfering with your lighting... JMO
squidd
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Let's discuss this..
Well, if you 've been following along..you would see a "method" to this madness...
Basicly , I'll lay out 3-4 "options"...for Leona (only got two so far) and then she says..."What the Hell are you talking about"...:notsure:
And then we go through each in "simpler" terms ...explaining the Pros and Cons of each...
OTT is an option, as are the Revs, but they do restrict flow quite a bit... So we may need to look at "optimal outlet placement" and compare "controled" random flow to chaotic flow as well as the benifits and compromises of restricting the system...
Once "All" the cards are on the table...She can choose the best options and layout for her system...
I'm not too excited about the pipes through the sides either (would work well in an "in wall" set up though) and we need to look at several options...
Your not "butting in" and are welcome to add your thoughts to the process Acrylic51, as there are "many" diferent ways to run the O/M system, diferent points of view and experiances are welcome...
Well, if you 've been following along..you would see a "method" to this madness...
Basicly , I'll lay out 3-4 "options"...for Leona (only got two so far) and then she says..."What the Hell are you talking about"...:notsure:
And then we go through each in "simpler" terms ...explaining the Pros and Cons of each...
OTT is an option, as are the Revs, but they do restrict flow quite a bit... So we may need to look at "optimal outlet placement" and compare "controled" random flow to chaotic flow as well as the benifits and compromises of restricting the system...
Once "All" the cards are on the table...She can choose the best options and layout for her system...
I'm not too excited about the pipes through the sides either (would work well in an "in wall" set up though) and we need to look at several options...
Your not "butting in" and are welcome to add your thoughts to the process Acrylic51, as there are "many" diferent ways to run the O/M system, diferent points of view and experiances are welcome...
squidd
Active Member
Way back on page one or two when we split "Goal Flow" into Sump return 1000gph and C/L Flow - 1700 for the 90...
But now we're looking at 2600 or so for the 120...
The O/M 4 -way pumps through the "holes" in the side/back of the tank to add flow and the O/M is a "switching device" to make it random...
Should be able to hook all this up within you "budgeted" amount ...
Or we can reduce ourselves to "Begging" ...
"Please..Please...I NEEEEED a C/L...Pleeeeease..."
:hilarious
But now we're looking at 2600 or so for the 120...
The O/M 4 -way pumps through the "holes" in the side/back of the tank to add flow and the O/M is a "switching device" to make it random...
Should be able to hook all this up within you "budgeted" amount ...
Or we can reduce ourselves to "Begging" ...
"Please..Please...I NEEEEED a C/L...Pleeeeease..."
:hilarious