Squidd.......Teach me.....DYI:Plumbing 101 on a SW Tank
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leona
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Originally posted by Squidd
A custom stand to hold you 55 underneath and the 90 on top...
At 48"x 13"X20"...it's just a couple inches wider (longer) than a standard 90 stand...(and not much deeper)
You already own the tank...
Ok, Let's say we use the
A: 55G for the sump/fuge.
B: Built the stand/Canopy ourselves with a little help from a certain Vegitable you know C-orn on the COBB.
C: Order a custome tank from GC.
1- Would a 100G be easier? With the 55g under it. I can't go much bigger then that. Due to room and cost of upgrading the skimmer and stuff.
But again I want the best that I can do. It sounds like that the 55g would be the best way to go.
2- Whould the tank 55g have to be drilled for the sump/fuge? IS all of this
3- what size tank would or should I have custome done? Maybe just make the 90 wider?
snailheave
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hey you know, my 12-g nano w/o skimmer with the onyx in there is doing A LOT better than my ultra filtration super live rock 72-g tank.
leona
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Yes we do.............Because I just got an email from gc's.
FINALLY, If we got a 48x20x25 tank will that fit a 55g (48x12x20) inside the stand? I'm thinking the stand would be the 48x20x30 but I'm not sure. I will have to ask a DIY person to see if i can build a stand with that?
IF
GC's will build that size tank. He keeps quoting me on a 48x18x25 I keep asking him about OTHER measurments and he keeps on giving me the same cost. & cost & measurments. So eaither he doesn't want to build a 48x20x25 or I should just get the 48x18x25. Maybe it was meant to be
FINALLY, If we got a 48x20x25 tank will that fit a 55g (48x12x20) inside the stand? I'm thinking the stand would be the 48x20x30 but I'm not sure. I will have to ask a DIY person to see if i can build a stand with that?
IF
GC's will build that size tank. He keeps quoting me on a 48x18x25 I keep asking him about OTHER measurments and he keeps on giving me the same cost. & cost & measurments.
So eaither he doesn't want to build a 48x20x25 or I should just get the 48x18x25. Maybe it was meant to be
leona
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THIS IS IT.............I will NOT change my mind for NO reason after this is figured out.
A:
48x20x25 (tank if GC will build it)
Tank 103.9G
48x13x20 55g Tank Sump/fuge
Stand & canopy DIY=
48x20x30 48x20
B:
48x18x25
90G Long
48x13x20 55G Sump/fuge
Stand & Canopy will DIY Prodject
48x18x30....48x18
OK, I've narrowed it down...............Which ever will be best that's the one I will do GO WITH and NOT look back:nervous:
Leona
A:
48x20x25 (tank if GC will build it)
Tank 103.9G
48x13x20 55g Tank Sump/fuge
Stand & canopy DIY=
48x20x30 48x20
B:
48x18x25
90G Long
48x13x20 55G Sump/fuge
Stand & Canopy will DIY Prodject
48x18x30....48x18
OK, I've narrowed it down...............Which ever will be best that's the one I will do GO WITH and NOT look back:nervous:
Leona
squidd
Active Member
Originally posted by Leona
Ok, Let's say we use the
A: 55G for the sump/fuge.
B: Built the stand/Canopy ourselves with a little help from a certain Vegitable you know C-orn on the COBB.
C: Order a custome tank from GC.
1- Would a 100G be easier? With the 55g under it. I can't go much bigger then that. Due to room and cost of upgrading the skimmer and stuff.
But again I want the best that I can do. It sounds like that the 55g would be the best way to go.
>>> GCs 100 is 72" long and now your looking at more light(s) MH..to cover it, besides the increase in the tank and canopy costs....otherwise there's the 120 -48" with the extra depth (thats a nice one...:yes: ) but would stil need the longer stand to get the 55 in ....<<<
2- Whould the tank 55g have to be drilled for the sump/fuge? IS all of this
>>>No drilling required on the 55 and "simple" silicone in baffles (you can get a Glass co. to cut for next to nothing...)<<<
3- what size tank would or should I have custome done? Maybe just make the 90 wider?
>>>Next step up would be his 120 (see above)...Actually the 90 and 55 will make a nice balanced combo...All you need is a stand that it will "fit" in...and were only talking an inch or two...
Most of that can be made up with proper planing on "********" braces and material choice....Don't forget to specify "skimmer" height when planning the stand...<<<
Building a suitable stand and using your existing 55 will save you money that can be used for other things...Again, unless you go for the fancy oak or cherry cabinetry.... a DIY stand will save you money and "probably" be stronger than Mass produced...
squidd
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So eaither he doesn't want to build a 48x20x25 or I should just get the 48x18x25. Maybe it was meant to be
There "actually" is a reason for this....
Most tank MFGs do not buy large "sheets" of glass and then cut to what ever size you want....:nope:
Rather they buy quantities of "slabs" 13" wide..18" wide" 24" wide etc and then cuts from these "standards"...
"Taller" and shorter tanks are not a problem (within reason) as long as they "fit" within these "standard" slabs...
So, to answer your question above..get the "standard" 90 and canopy, get a custom stand built to match...and use the 55 you already have...
There "actually" is a reason for this....
Most tank MFGs do not buy large "sheets" of glass and then cut to what ever size you want....:nope:
Rather they buy quantities of "slabs" 13" wide..18" wide" 24" wide etc and then cuts from these "standards"...
"Taller" and shorter tanks are not a problem (within reason) as long as they "fit" within these "standard" slabs...
So, to answer your question above..get the "standard" 90 and canopy, get a custom stand built to match...and use the 55 you already have...
leona
Member
Originally posted by Squidd
There "actually" is a reason for this....
Most tank MFGs do not buy large "sheets" of glass and then cut to what ever size you want....:nope:
Rather they buy quantities of "slabs" 13" wide..18" wide" 24" wide etc and then cuts from these "standards"...
"Taller" and shorter tanks are not a problem (within reason) as long as they "fit" within these "standard" slabs...
So, to answer your question above..get the "standard" 90 and canopy, get a custom stand built to match...and use the 55 you already have...
oic now
leona
Member
It really doesn't matter what size tank if it's the
48x18x25 90gLong
48x24x17 90g Wide
48x24x25 120G
I would still need to add a inch or so to make the 55g -
48x13x20 fit.
Correct?
The lighting would be the same I might have to upgrade my skimmer a bit. Since I'm going to be saving on the stand and all.
I will have to do some numbers.
Leona:sleepy:
48x18x25 90gLong
48x24x17 90g Wide
48x24x25 120G
I would still need to add a inch or so to make the 55g -
48x13x20 fit.
Correct?
The lighting would be the same I might have to upgrade my skimmer a bit. Since I'm going to be saving on the stand and all.
I will have to do some numbers.
Leona:sleepy:
squidd
Active Member
Yep..although either of the 24" deep tanks will allow the 55 to fit "depth" wise, they all would need an extra inch or two width wise to get the 48" 55 underneath...
On my 210 I built it 3" longer so I could have fit the 72" 125 under it ( although I set up a different system) but the extra couple inches allowed me to run my OTT piping out one end and the tank to sit 3 side viewable with no visable plumbing...
On my 210 I built it 3" longer so I could have fit the 72" 125 under it ( although I set up a different system) but the extra couple inches allowed me to run my OTT piping out one end and the tank to sit 3 side viewable with no visable plumbing...
squidd
Active Member
Oh, Heck with it...Let's throw another "wrench" into the gear's here..
Tom at GC also does "Acrylic" tanks and those he could builds into "any" size you want as that does come in large "sheets"...
You could get a price on one that will fit every "usable" sq/in of his "standard stand" and baffle it from there...
Although Acrylic is harder to work with and will be more expensive...
OK ...FORGET I said that and let's start laying out your 55 S/F...
Tom at GC also does "Acrylic" tanks and those he could builds into "any" size you want as that does come in large "sheets"...
You could get a price on one that will fit every "usable" sq/in of his "standard stand" and baffle it from there...
Although Acrylic is harder to work with and will be more expensive...
OK ...FORGET I said that and let's start laying out your 55 S/F...
squidd
Active Member
Probably should do some "math"...first...huh...? :jumping:
Backwash room first...then the fuge..then the skimmer chamber..then the return chamber...then the overflow driain chamber...
55Gallon soon to be S/F is 48"x13"x20"=12480/231=54.04
We can't "use" all that, because you want to leave some room for "backwash" in a power out situation...so lets see 3"-4" will leave us..
4"x48x13=2496/231=10 gallons for "backwash" room...
Everybody OK with that...?? (hint: check back on page 4)
So that leaves us 44-45 gallons to "play" with...
I'm going to talk in "percentages" here...
First to explain what's "Ideal" and why...for those that are following along and may have a different sized tank...
Then we'll size it in to "reality" (what we have to work with) because not everybody can put the "Ultimate" S/F in their basement to get the room they need...although the more ambitious of you out there might...
I generally "recomend" 50% of Main Tank volume for Fuge on tanks under 100 gallons...Then 30-35% up to 180 gallon MTs...and then 25% for larger...
Obviously we cant use the full 45 gallons for the Fuge and have any thing for the sump, so we'll have to compromise a "little" ...
Leona is "close to" the 100 gallon mark so let's see what the 30-35% MT gives us...
90x.3=27 and 90x.35=31.5 So we're looking for "around" 30 gallons for the Fuge...
So..Tonight's Math quiz is...
How big will a 30 gallon fuge be in Leonas 55 gallon tank if we leave 4" backwash room in it ...??
AND How much "room" does that leave for Skimmer footprint and return pump area...??
Are we going to have to "squeeze" the fuge a bit...??
Can we "grab" an inch from the backwash room and still be "safe" ...??
Don't forget we need to add "baffles" as well...:thinking:
Leona...we'll need the footprint of your skimmer for the "next" step...was that going to be a Euro Reef ES5-3..??
Backwash room first...then the fuge..then the skimmer chamber..then the return chamber...then the overflow driain chamber...
55Gallon soon to be S/F is 48"x13"x20"=12480/231=54.04
We can't "use" all that, because you want to leave some room for "backwash" in a power out situation...so lets see 3"-4" will leave us..
4"x48x13=2496/231=10 gallons for "backwash" room...
Everybody OK with that...?? (hint: check back on page 4)
So that leaves us 44-45 gallons to "play" with...
I'm going to talk in "percentages" here...
First to explain what's "Ideal" and why...for those that are following along and may have a different sized tank...
Then we'll size it in to "reality" (what we have to work with) because not everybody can put the "Ultimate" S/F in their basement to get the room they need...although the more ambitious of you out there might...
I generally "recomend" 50% of Main Tank volume for Fuge on tanks under 100 gallons...Then 30-35% up to 180 gallon MTs...and then 25% for larger...
Obviously we cant use the full 45 gallons for the Fuge and have any thing for the sump, so we'll have to compromise a "little" ...
Leona is "close to" the 100 gallon mark so let's see what the 30-35% MT gives us...
90x.3=27 and 90x.35=31.5 So we're looking for "around" 30 gallons for the Fuge...
So..Tonight's Math quiz is...
How big will a 30 gallon fuge be in Leonas 55 gallon tank if we leave 4" backwash room in it ...??
AND How much "room" does that leave for Skimmer footprint and return pump area...??
Are we going to have to "squeeze" the fuge a bit...??
Can we "grab" an inch from the backwash room and still be "safe" ...??
Don't forget we need to add "baffles" as well...:thinking:
Leona...we'll need the footprint of your skimmer for the "next" step...was that going to be a Euro Reef ES5-3..??
leona
Member
Squidd,
Ok, Talked it over with Michael He and I both agree that the 55g for the sump/fuge would be great. But the tank size we would like more back to front room then height. Anyway, We Finally decided with the 48x24x25 120g. I will be placing the order for the tank and drilling and overflows in 2 weeks hopefully.
With that in mind I was looking at the euro reef's and 500-600 for a skimmer is a little out of my price range.
So I've been looking at other skimmers ( I will figure out the skimmer for the thread by this weekend so it doesn't hold anyone or you up).
Do you have some ideas on other not so costly skimmers that will do a good job.
I've seen this model and are wondering if anyone might have some idea about them.
asm-g series
G2 model
H is 21"
FP: 11"x13" ..... ... <----Would this work in our
Rated for up to 200g................ sump/fuge plan?
I was only looking to spend somewere in the 300 and below mark for the skimmer. I've heard that this skimmer is comparable to the euro reef. I KNOW the Euro Reef is better. But I have to think Of my budget.
Leona
Ok, Talked it over with Michael He and I both agree that the 55g for the sump/fuge would be great. But the tank size we would like more back to front room then height. Anyway, We Finally decided with the 48x24x25 120g. I will be placing the order for the tank and drilling and overflows in 2 weeks hopefully.
With that in mind I was looking at the euro reef's and 500-600 for a skimmer is a little out of my price range.
So I've been looking at other skimmers ( I will figure out the skimmer for the thread by this weekend so it doesn't hold anyone or you up).
Do you have some ideas on other not so costly skimmers that will do a good job.
I've seen this model and are wondering if anyone might have some idea about them.
asm-g series
G2 model
H is 21"
FP: 11"x13" .....
... <----Would this work in our Rated for up to 200g................ sump/fuge plan?
I was only looking to spend somewere in the 300 and below mark for the skimmer. I've heard that this skimmer is comparable to the euro reef. I KNOW the Euro Reef is better. But I have to think Of my budget.
Leona
squidd
Active Member
Excellect choice for a less "expensive" but still "effecient" skimer...:yes:
Footprint will work...we might have to "squeeze" the fuge but we'll do everything we can to keep it effecient as well..
21" height should be OK as well (I believe you said 24"-27" inside the stand...???) They do have a "sliding" coupler to the cup, but even 24" will work...
And good choice on the tank as well...the extra "depth" will come in handy for rock scapeing and coral layout and you'll be glad you have it...
Don't suppose I could talk you and Michael into a 75 gallon tank for the S/F now that you'll have an extra "deep" stand anyway...
:nervous:
Footprint will work...we might have to "squeeze" the fuge but we'll do everything we can to keep it effecient as well..
21" height should be OK as well (I believe you said 24"-27" inside the stand...???) They do have a "sliding" coupler to the cup, but even 24" will work...
And good choice on the tank as well...the extra "depth" will come in handy for rock scapeing and coral layout and you'll be glad you have it...
Don't suppose I could talk you and Michael into a 75 gallon tank for the S/F now that you'll have an extra "deep" stand anyway...