Squidd.......Teach me.....DYI:Plumbing 101 on a SW Tank
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toddg
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Squidd, Would you change the location or diameter of the holes in my setup...??? 165 gallon (approx) (maybe a 180 gallon, 72x24x24)
I will be using acrylic tank, acrylic stand and acrylic hood. I assume I would have no problems hiding the returns on the top either. Reef setup shooting for 20x turnover. I will work through all the formulas above on my own. Just wanted your quick opinion....!
But I will most likely be using a O/M to start off with.
I will be using acrylic tank, acrylic stand and acrylic hood. I assume I would have no problems hiding the returns on the top either. Reef setup shooting for 20x turnover. I will work through all the formulas above on my own. Just wanted your quick opinion....!
But I will most likely be using a O/M to start off with.
toddg
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I havent seen a large tank like this set up so one of your pics was confusing. How are the return and drain holes in the overflows set up.... ???? Since they are so close wouldnt the drain suck back in the new water you just pumped up from the sump?????? Or are there pipes inside the overflow that redirect the water elsewhere??
And do you use 2 pumps or 1 return line split into 2 pipes to run the water back to the overflows AND the closed loop system???
Thanks for all the help squidd. This works great killing multiple birds with one thread. Thanks Leona.
And do you use 2 pumps or 1 return line split into 2 pipes to run the water back to the overflows AND the closed loop system???
Thanks for all the help squidd. This works great killing multiple birds with one thread. Thanks Leona.
squidd
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Where are you planning on putting the Overflow(s) ...?
One or two..How many gph to sump ...? How and where will they return...?
A lot of that depends on you "proposed" Rock layout as well...
Are you planing on placing Rocks to cover the overflow(s) wherever they "end up" ..or are you planning on putting them where you want them to "complement" Rock layout and Tank location...
Will it be up against a wall.."Peninsula" with three sides showing... Freestanding "room divider"...??
Do you want to "plan ahead" in case you later decide to "relocate" tank...?
I have my C/L coming "up" from the bottom of one of my tanks because it sits in the open with three sides exposed for viewing...
One or two..How many gph to sump ...? How and where will they return...?
A lot of that depends on you "proposed" Rock layout as well...
Are you planing on placing Rocks to cover the overflow(s) wherever they "end up" ..or are you planning on putting them where you want them to "complement" Rock layout and Tank location...
Will it be up against a wall.."Peninsula" with three sides showing... Freestanding "room divider"...??
Do you want to "plan ahead" in case you later decide to "relocate" tank...?
I have my C/L coming "up" from the bottom of one of my tanks because it sits in the open with three sides exposed for viewing...
toddg
New Member
Answers noted with astericks below....
Originally posted by Squidd
Where are you planning on putting the Overflow(s) ...?
*** left and right corners, just like leonas tank.
One or two..How many gph to sump ...? How and where will they return...?
*** 2 overflows. I have run the numbers so I dont know gph yet.
A lot of that depends on you "proposed" Rock layout as well...
Are you planing on placing Rocks to cover the overflow(s) wherever they "end up" ..or are you planning on putting them where you want them to "complement" Rock layout and Tank location..
***will place rocks to cover overflows. figured corners were as good a place as any.
Will it be up against a wall.."Peninsula" with three sides showing... Freestanding "room divider"...??
***Will be up against a wall. front 3 side visable
Do you want to "plan ahead" in case you later decide to "relocate" tank...?
***Chances are great that it will stay on this type stand. even if I change stands will still have systme against wall. if I build new house will have built into the wall with small 'closet' behind tank for sump etc...
I have my C/L coming "up" from the bottom of one of my tanks because it sits in the open with three sides exposed for viewing...
Originally posted by Squidd
Where are you planning on putting the Overflow(s) ...?
*** left and right corners, just like leonas tank.
One or two..How many gph to sump ...? How and where will they return...?
*** 2 overflows. I have run the numbers so I dont know gph yet.
A lot of that depends on you "proposed" Rock layout as well...
Are you planing on placing Rocks to cover the overflow(s) wherever they "end up" ..or are you planning on putting them where you want them to "complement" Rock layout and Tank location..
***will place rocks to cover overflows. figured corners were as good a place as any.
Will it be up against a wall.."Peninsula" with three sides showing... Freestanding "room divider"...??
***Will be up against a wall. front 3 side visable
Do you want to "plan ahead" in case you later decide to "relocate" tank...?
***Chances are great that it will stay on this type stand. even if I change stands will still have systme against wall. if I build new house will have built into the wall with small 'closet' behind tank for sump etc...
I have my C/L coming "up" from the bottom of one of my tanks because it sits in the open with three sides exposed for viewing...
squidd
Active Member
Two "seperate" systems...One pump for each "system"...
The overflow and sump cannot handle all the flow needed by your tank so "supplemental" flow is needed to make up the difference...(either powerheads or closed Loop system)
Two holes in overflow are for the "Drain" line...through standpipe to bulkhead to drain line to sump/fuge..and the "return line" from the pump ..
Both of these have their own "pipes" comeing up through the overflow chamber...and do not "drain" into each other...
The overflow and sump cannot handle all the flow needed by your tank so "supplemental" flow is needed to make up the difference...(either powerheads or closed Loop system)
Two holes in overflow are for the "Drain" line...through standpipe to bulkhead to drain line to sump/fuge..and the "return line" from the pump ..
Both of these have their own "pipes" comeing up through the overflow chamber...and do not "drain" into each other...
squidd
Active Member
Yep...you have one "larger" hole in the back/center for the closed loop intake (to pump) and 4 (count them 4) holes (two in back and two top/front) for the outlets...
We can get a simple pump and tubing to each of the holes and you will have "supplemenatl flow" right now...and then we can add in the "direction switching device" (O/M) later without changing too much at all in the plumbing...
We can get a simple pump and tubing to each of the holes and you will have "supplemenatl flow" right now...and then we can add in the "direction switching device" (O/M) later without changing too much at all in the plumbing...
acrylic51
Active Member
Originally posted by Leona
Dropping pipes in? Weill i be taking them out.
DOES ANYONE have pictures i could see? So I can get an idea of what I'm trying to visulize in my head.
You will use a larger fitting than the pipe dropping through the euro bracing to give your plumbing some support, so you do need to know what size final plumbing your running before you have the holes drilled.......
leona
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Originally posted by acrylic51
There is a difference in hole sizes when you drill for sched 80 or sched 40 bulkheads!!!!!!!!!! When you contact Tom about the tank he will recommend the sched 80 bulkheads....
I ws planning on going with the 80 bulkheads just to be on the safe side. Tom had mentioned the 80 to me.
Thanks
Leona
squidd
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Originally posted by acrylic51
Yes think of down the road long term... Even if you upgrade at least the option is there....
This is a "valid" point...and probably not much of a cost increase at this point...(bulkheads and holes)
The system will give you the flow desired as laidout....BUT
You may want to "upsize" the holes and bulkheads to the next size bigger...just in case you want to "change" things down the road...
Heck, "they" might even invent some "new" flow control device "down the road" that needs larger outlets....:joy:
The layout would be the same but the holes would be sized for the H/D bulkheads and you could go 2" Inlet for pump (center back) and sized for 1 1/2" returns eveywhere else...
I was thinking about this at work today and really wouldn't hurt to have that option...
But I wouldn't go bigger than 2" bulkheads on a 120 tank...that already needs a 3" hole...
I'm sure (as you contact the builder) he will have "suggestions" as well and will size the holes apropriatly for the bulkheads he provides...