State of the Union Address...What you think?

reefraff

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Originally Posted by braydonosu
http:///forum/post/3218405
I like to stick as close to the middle as possible when it comes to politics (although I am a registered rebublican), but last night was pretty bad. It seemed like The Prez went out of his way to play the blame game - his campaign centered around change we can believe in, but it's still the same old Washington - Blame the last guy. The best part for me was the last time he talked about the inherited budget deficit, the cameras zoomed over to McCain and you could read his lips "Blame Bush." The entire speech last night consisted of blaming the previous administration, throwing republicans, media, sup court... under the bus, and a whole lotta campaigning to get the dems back on his side.
I did like how he challenged anyone to present him a better option for healthcare reform. I think we all agree that something needs to be done, just not everything that the congress is proposing.
To me, the worst thing The Prez did was call out the media talking heads for stating talking points and skewed info rather than the facts, then he turned around and told the Republicans to not be the "Party of NO".
Republicans have been presenting him better ideas on health care for a year but his chums Harry and Nancy wont allow them to be voted on.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3218457
So do you agree with the Supreme Courts decision to allow corporations a wide open berth when it comes to donations for political campaigns? I saw where SCJ Alito almost pulled what that Republican Congressman did the last Obama speech --
"Alito made a dismissive face, shook his head repeatedly and appeared to mouth the words "not true" or possibly "simply not true" when Obama assailed the decision Wednesday night in his State of the Union address."
He'd been better off standing up and yelling "You Lied again!"

Why not? The federal government lawyers were arguing they had the right to censor not only TV, but movies, periodicals and books because of these laws. That is unamerican, letting americans who own business donate to a political process, is part of taxation with representation...
The problem is, Obama went on and on about working together, then turned around and verbally slapped a group of people who did something he completely disagreed with, who are completely unable to respond without destroying tradition.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3218457
So do you agree with the Supreme Courts decision to allow corporations a wide open berth when it comes to donations for political campaigns? I saw where SCJ Alito almost pulled what that Republican Congressman did the last Obama speech --
"Alito made a dismissive face, shook his head repeatedly and appeared to mouth the words "not true" or possibly "simply not true" when Obama assailed the decision Wednesday night in his State of the Union address."
He'd been better off standing up and yelling "You Lied again!"

Would have been pretty cool if he had. I realize it would offend the delicate sensibilities of a lot of the presidents supporters if someone were to point out every time he tells a lie, as he did last night when the Justice shook his head but it would have been pretty interesting to compare the pauses for applause and the truth squad calling him on the lies.
 

darthtang aw

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So tonight, I'm proposing that we take $30 billion of the money Wall Street banks have repaid and use it to help community banks give small businesses the credit they need to stay afloat. I am also proposing a new small business tax credit -- one that will go to over 1 million small businesses who hire new workers or raise wages. While we're at it, let's also eliminate all capital gains taxes on small business investment and provide a tax incentive for all businesses, large and small, to invest in new plants and equipment.
Basically I want to give the banks back the money we loaned them. With my new bank interest rate increase this will even out....Plus I get to play with more money....The hiring tax and wage credit is a great idea....I am not sure how to get business in your doors, but if you shell out more money to higher people I will give you a small tax break.
So basically you can save a little money by spending a lot of money.....sort of like when you go to the grocery store. You see that item you usually don't get because you don't need it...so you shell out the ten dollars for it because the original price was 11. At the bottom of your receipt it shows you saved a dollar....It will be just like that.
..Forget the fact that not buying the item in the first place since you don't need it would have saved you even more money...
Tomorrow, I'll visit Tampa, Fla., where workers will soon break ground on a new high-speed railroad funded by the Recovery Act. There are projects like that all across this country that will create jobs and help our nation move goods, services and information.
This is great...here is why. That state will now have a railroad their tax payers will have to keep afloat...thus creating more government jobs. We already have a great example of how this will work in the State of New Mexicon. They built a railroad train system that goes only 65 miles back and forth. It is a commuter train...It generates 2.5 million dollars per year in revenue...which is a fantastically high dollar amount...That is a lot of money to be making....Now there is some pain with this good news, the tax payers will have to see a tax increase to cover the costs...since those amount to 11.5 million per year.....So ignore the 8 million dollar loss...think of all the jobs this creates...
The House has passed a jobs bill that includes some of these steps. As the first order of business this year, I urge the Senate to do the same. People are out of work. They are hurting. They need our help. And I want a jobs bill on my desk without delay.
I know you have no idea of what is in a jobs bill. Or how a person can just creates jobs by passing a law that says jobs must be created...But since JOBS is part of the name of the bill this is a very great thing....
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reefraff

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High speed rail would be great but they should have done it smart. For years Vegas has been wanting something like that running to SoCal. If you build it there taxpayers wont have to fund it like we do Amtrak. Not sure there is that kind of built in demand anywhere else in the country.
 

darthtang aw

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But the truth is, these steps still won't make up for the 7 million jobs we've lost over the last two years. The only way to move to full employment is to lay a new foundation for long-term economic growth and finally address the problems that America's families have confronted for years.
No, I am not going to have the government get out of your way.
We cannot afford another so-called economic expansion like the one from last decade -- what some call the lost decade -- where jobs grew more slowly than during any prior expansion, where the income of the average American household declined while the cost of health care and tuition reached record highs, where prosperity was built on a housing bubble and financial speculation.
Well the income part may not be true, but I needed more filler for this statement...oh and don't check the history on my comment about jobs growth...just take my word for it.
One place to start is serious financial reform. Look, I am not interested in punishing banks, I'm interested in protecting our economy.
And maintaining the government hold over the financial institutions we now maintain....This way I can ensure that CEOs never make more money than the president of the U.S.
The House has already passed financial reform with many of these changes. And the lobbyists are already trying to kill it. Well, we cannot let them win this fight. And if the bill that ends up on my desk does not meet the test of real reform, I will send it back.
Even if the people like the bill...it has to meet MY idea of financial reform...Hell I would just write the bill, but there is this pesky law on the books that the supreme court will uphold. (Especially when you have to hear what I say about them very soon).
Next, we need to encourage American innovation. Last year, we made the largest investment in basic research funding in history -- an investment that could lead to the world's cheapest solar cells or treatment that kills cancer cells but leaves healthy ones untouched.
I just made that last part up...but if we hope enough it could happen...
Last year, we made the largest investment in basic research funding in history -- an investment that could lead to the world's cheapest solar cells or treatment that kills cancer cells but leaves healthy ones untouched. And no area is more ripe for such innovation than energy. You can see the results of last year's investment in clean energy -- in the North Carolina company that will create 1,200 jobs nationwide helping to make advanced batteries, or in the California business that will put 1,000 people to work making solar panels.
I am not sure how long the solar panel jobs will be in place however. Since good ones run about 30,000 very few of you guys can afford them.....however the government will buy a few of these and I plan to force CEOs to purchase them as well...that should keep those jobs in place until the next election....
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darthtang aw

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But to create more of these clean energy jobs, we need more production, more efficiency, more incentives. That means building a new generation of safe, clean nuclear power plants in this country. It means making tough decisions about opening new offshore areas for oil and gas development.
When I mean tough decisions about off shore drilling, I basically mean telling the oil companies "tough crap"....And since it takes forever to build a nuke plant I can go ahead say I like the idea...but it will never happen while I am in office...Besides Nancy would never go for it...and I can't totally piss off my number one cheerleader. Just look at her...I feel like the guy with the dancing monkey and a music bix...
And yes, it means passing a comprehensive energy and climate bill with incentives that will finally make clean energy the profitable kind of energy in America.
Atleast profitable for the government that is...I know the cost will be passed on to you guys, but in a few years you will be used to it...just like the current gas prices...since they have slowly increased since I took office...
I am grateful to the House for passing such a bill last year. This year, I am eager to help advance the bipartisan effort in the Senate. I know there have been questions about whether we can afford such changes in a tough economy, and I know that there are those who disagree with the overwhelming scientific evidence on climate change. But even if you doubt the evidence, providing incentives for energy efficiency and clean energy are the right thing to do for our future -- because the nation that leads the clean energy economy will be the nation that leads the global economy. And America must be that nation.
Well other than China and maybe India since they mass produce at a far cheaper rate since they dont care about the environment...but other than them, we will lead this...oh yeah and france, they have nuke power plants already, but other than them...
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t316

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3218470
High speed rail would be great but they should have done it smart. For years Vegas has been wanting something like that running to SoCal. If you build it there taxpayers wont have to fund it like we do Amtrak. Not sure there is that kind of built in demand anywhere else in the country.
Our Gov. just announced that NC got it's slice of the pie too

North Carolina Receives $545 Million for High-Speed Rail from American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
RALEIGH — Gov. Bev Perdue announced today that North Carolina is receiving $545 million from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act for further development of the Southeast High Speed Rail Corridor, a nearly 500-mile route that will allow trains to travel between Charlotte and Washington, D.C. at top speeds of up to 90-110 miles per hour and an average speed of 86 mph.
 

darthtang aw

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Third, we need to export more of our goods. Because the more products we make and sell to other countries, the more jobs we support right here in America. So tonight, we set a new goal: We will double our exports over the next five years, an increase that will support 2 million jobs in America. To help meet this goal, we're launching a national export initiative that will help farmers and small businesses increase their exports and reform export controls consistent with national security.
This sounds great I know...even though an increase in production does not equal an increase in exporting. Especially since we wont increase the production of the number one traded export...oil....but ignore that aspect. This part sounds awesome......
Our approach would preserve the right of Americans who have insurance to keep their doctor and their plan. It would reduce costs and premiums for millions of families and businesses. And according to the Congressional Budget Office -- the independent organization that both parties have cited as the official scorekeeper for Congress -- our approach would bring down the deficit by as much as $1 trillion over the next two decades.
As long as we don't spend anymore money that is...which won't happen...so basically I am blowing smoke here.
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darthtang aw

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In Afghanistan, we are increasing our troops and training Afghan Security Forces so they can begin to take the lead in July of 2011 and our troops can begin to come home. We will reward good governance, reduce corruption and support the rights of all Afghans -- men and women alike. We are joined by allies and partners who have increased their own commitment, and who will come together tomorrow in London to reaffirm our common purpose. There will be difficult days ahead. But I am confident we will succeed.
I have to be careful here and hope the American people don't realize I just said the same thing President Bush kept saying about Iraq...even though it worked out in the end...I was able to use this against him. I can't make him look like he ws right or intelligent in regards to this approach.
We must continually renew this promise. My administration has a civil rights division that is once again prosecuting civil rights violations and employment discrimination. We finally strengthened our laws to protect against crimes driven by hate.
Unless you are part of acorn or the black panthers...
 

t316

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We must continually renew this promise. My administration has a civil rights division that is once again prosecuting civil rights violations and employment discrimination. We finally strengthened our laws to protect against crimes driven by hate.

Yeah, I didn't get this one...Did we stop prosecuting civil rights violations and employment discrimination? When was that?
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3218509
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We must continually renew this promise. My administration has a civil rights division that is once again prosecuting civil rights violations and employment discrimination. We finally strengthened our laws to protect against crimes driven by hate.

Yeah, I didn't get this one...Did we stop prosecuting civil rights violations and employment discrimination? When was that?

We were just prosecuting too many of Obama's friends and political allies.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3218564
Nice to know you believe we have the intelligence level required to accomplish such a feat.
Doesn't take too much intelligence these days to hack networks. We just caught a couple of high school kids trying to get into a DoD network a few weeks ago.
 

srfisher17

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Insulting the Supreme Court, to their faces, is the most unpresidential thing I've ever heard from a sitting President.
I just heard that in seventy-some minutes of actual talking time; he used the pronoun "I" over 90 times. This says more than anything else I've read or heard.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3218574
Doesn't take too much intelligence these days to hack networks. We just caught a couple of high school kids trying to get into a DoD network a few weeks ago.
Notice you said "trying"..guess it is still difficult....
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3218606
Notice you said "trying"..guess it is still difficult....
Again, not as difficult as you think. Especially on these 'third-party websites' they described in the article. We scan random sites all the time just to see what holes are in them. If you knew what I knew, you'd never post on a public web site again, much less put your personal data on it.
 
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