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btldreef
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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3160004
No. Tessalata eel is a species only eel. It will eat your entire fish list. Plus they get 6 feet long. You cant keep a lion wity triggers and puffers. You have done zero research and too many fish
It's not worth it to argue with Skate. He does very little research, asks for opinions and then argues with us. He's set on what he's set on. Have you seen what he put in a 23G and how fast? And now he thinks he has ich issues and his anemone died, BIG SURPRISE....
Sorry Skate, but you need to do way more research
http:///forum/post/3160004
No. Tessalata eel is a species only eel. It will eat your entire fish list. Plus they get 6 feet long. You cant keep a lion wity triggers and puffers. You have done zero research and too many fish
It's not worth it to argue with Skate. He does very little research, asks for opinions and then argues with us. He's set on what he's set on. Have you seen what he put in a 23G and how fast? And now he thinks he has ich issues and his anemone died, BIG SURPRISE....
Sorry Skate, but you need to do way more research
cranberry
Active Member
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3159510
You'll have to put the mandarin in there too... He'll be able to eat them it a year.
I should be more clear. The mandarin will be eaten in the 100g with the lion... the 23g, however, probably isn't the best place for one.... unless he's eating frozen.
A lionfish will eat any clownfish.
http:///forum/post/3159510
You'll have to put the mandarin in there too... He'll be able to eat them it a year.
I should be more clear. The mandarin will be eaten in the 100g with the lion... the 23g, however, probably isn't the best place for one.... unless he's eating frozen.
A lionfish will eat any clownfish.
crypt keeper
Active Member
well he is very uneducated in our hobby. That is okay. Asking questions is awesome. But I agree with you. He is setting himself for morw failure and will never understand why. Im done trying
skate020
Member
right im gettin really hacked off with BTL reef and crypt keeper
have you not bothered to read? IM NOT GETTIN THE LION LIKE YOU SAID!! ffs
you are soo ignorant you dont bother reading wat i said and just argue to nothing? im not gettin the flipping lionfish and im putting the manderin and clowns in the 23g when the 100g is set up.
and tbh, i bet you have had ich before? its not like i've suddenly got it cos i put a angel in, NO, its not my fault i've got it!, yehh i can do my bit to help it, and i will, but for god sake, are you twoo really so pathetic that you have to find every little thing to disagree on with me?
100g with 100LB of LR with LS and lots of caves,
tank 5ft long, with sump and fuge, will be fine for the stock.
everyone else is being fine, giving me advice and reading wat i put, and NOT argueing with me, i've done my research, if there are two angels, one must be dominant, if i've got a juvi, and get another juvi, chances are they'll compeat, but if i get a adult with a juvi, the juvi wont go near the adult.
and 5ft long is good enough, and without the lion nothing is going to go for one another......
have you not bothered to read? IM NOT GETTIN THE LION LIKE YOU SAID!! ffs
you are soo ignorant you dont bother reading wat i said and just argue to nothing? im not gettin the flipping lionfish and im putting the manderin and clowns in the 23g when the 100g is set up.
and tbh, i bet you have had ich before? its not like i've suddenly got it cos i put a angel in, NO, its not my fault i've got it!, yehh i can do my bit to help it, and i will, but for god sake, are you twoo really so pathetic that you have to find every little thing to disagree on with me?
100g with 100LB of LR with LS and lots of caves,
tank 5ft long, with sump and fuge, will be fine for the stock.
everyone else is being fine, giving me advice and reading wat i put, and NOT argueing with me, i've done my research, if there are two angels, one must be dominant, if i've got a juvi, and get another juvi, chances are they'll compeat, but if i get a adult with a juvi, the juvi wont go near the adult.
and 5ft long is good enough, and without the lion nothing is going to go for one another......
btldreef
Moderator
Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3160258
right im gettin really hacked off with BTL reef and crypt keeper
have you not bothered to read? IM NOT GETTIN THE LION LIKE YOU SAID!! ffs
you are soo ignorant you dont bother reading wat i said and just argue to nothing? im not gettin the flipping lionfish and im putting the manderin and clowns in the 23g when the 100g is set up.
and tbh, i bet you have had ich before? its not like i've suddenly got it cos i put a angel in, NO, its not my fault i've got it!, yehh i can do my bit to help it, and i will, but for god sake, are you twoo really so pathetic that you have to find every little thing to disagree on with me?
100g with 100LB of LR with LS and lots of caves,
tank 5ft long, with sump and fuge, will be fine for the stock.
everyone else is being fine, giving me advice and reading wat i put, and NOT argueing with me, i've done my research, if there are two angels, one must be dominant, if i've got a juvi, and get another juvi, chances are they'll compeat, but if i get a adult with a juvi, the juvi wont go near the adult.
and 5ft long is good enough, and without the lion nothing is going to go for one another......
That's not the only reason we said what we said. You ask for our opinions and then have a temper tantrum when you don't get the answer you are looking for. You put fish in your list that can't possibly co-exist together which basically shows that you've done little to no research at all.
And yes, it is your fault that you have ich in your tank. Sorry, but it is. You added way too many fish, way too fast and didn't QT. I know you didn't because you posted pictures of you acclimating fish while they were still in the bags from the LFS. Putting an angelfish, even if it's still a juvenile in a 23G tank is going to stress it out and more than likely will cause ich as well, which is probably what has occurred here.
It doesn't matter how many caves you have and that each fish will "have it's own territory," certain fish just should not be put together. Commonly accepted ideas for this hobby are the answers you've been getting from people, and then you argue them. Have you bothered to look at some of the tanks these people who are trying to help you have? Do you realize that most of the people that are answering your questions are well respected on this site. We're not trying to attack you, but don't ask questions if you don't want to hear the answer. Have you looked at a fish compatibility chart?
I mean, you wanted to put a species specific eel that gets 6 feet long in a 5 foot tank.
By the way, ALL angelfish need sponge in their diets. Who told you that the Asfur does not? Also, Asfur angels are more rock dwellers than free swimmers such as the Queen. It really isn't recommended to have more than one in a 100G tank. If you look on this site and many others they won't even sell you two angelfish at the same time unless you can prove that they're going in separate tanks, and Asfur Angelfish are aggressive, so you again, haven't done much research, or you're being given bad information.
I mean, you have a 23G right now with a diatom issue and fish that are too large to be in there. You've got anemones in an under established tank that are dying. You got lucky with a mandarin that accepts other forms of food. Take some advice, not argue it all the time. We're not trying to attack you, we're trying to help you out before you have a disaster on your hands.
As for me having ich in my tank? No, I NEVER have had ich in my main tank. I QUARANTINE EVERYTHING for this exact reason.
I'm done trying to help you or give advice, because you only hear what you want to hear.
Good luck with your ich problem and dying anemone.
http:///forum/post/3160258
right im gettin really hacked off with BTL reef and crypt keeper
have you not bothered to read? IM NOT GETTIN THE LION LIKE YOU SAID!! ffs
you are soo ignorant you dont bother reading wat i said and just argue to nothing? im not gettin the flipping lionfish and im putting the manderin and clowns in the 23g when the 100g is set up.
and tbh, i bet you have had ich before? its not like i've suddenly got it cos i put a angel in, NO, its not my fault i've got it!, yehh i can do my bit to help it, and i will, but for god sake, are you twoo really so pathetic that you have to find every little thing to disagree on with me?
100g with 100LB of LR with LS and lots of caves,
tank 5ft long, with sump and fuge, will be fine for the stock.
everyone else is being fine, giving me advice and reading wat i put, and NOT argueing with me, i've done my research, if there are two angels, one must be dominant, if i've got a juvi, and get another juvi, chances are they'll compeat, but if i get a adult with a juvi, the juvi wont go near the adult.
and 5ft long is good enough, and without the lion nothing is going to go for one another......
That's not the only reason we said what we said. You ask for our opinions and then have a temper tantrum when you don't get the answer you are looking for. You put fish in your list that can't possibly co-exist together which basically shows that you've done little to no research at all.
And yes, it is your fault that you have ich in your tank. Sorry, but it is. You added way too many fish, way too fast and didn't QT. I know you didn't because you posted pictures of you acclimating fish while they were still in the bags from the LFS. Putting an angelfish, even if it's still a juvenile in a 23G tank is going to stress it out and more than likely will cause ich as well, which is probably what has occurred here.
It doesn't matter how many caves you have and that each fish will "have it's own territory," certain fish just should not be put together. Commonly accepted ideas for this hobby are the answers you've been getting from people, and then you argue them. Have you bothered to look at some of the tanks these people who are trying to help you have? Do you realize that most of the people that are answering your questions are well respected on this site. We're not trying to attack you, but don't ask questions if you don't want to hear the answer. Have you looked at a fish compatibility chart?
I mean, you wanted to put a species specific eel that gets 6 feet long in a 5 foot tank.
By the way, ALL angelfish need sponge in their diets. Who told you that the Asfur does not? Also, Asfur angels are more rock dwellers than free swimmers such as the Queen. It really isn't recommended to have more than one in a 100G tank. If you look on this site and many others they won't even sell you two angelfish at the same time unless you can prove that they're going in separate tanks, and Asfur Angelfish are aggressive, so you again, haven't done much research, or you're being given bad information.
I mean, you have a 23G right now with a diatom issue and fish that are too large to be in there. You've got anemones in an under established tank that are dying. You got lucky with a mandarin that accepts other forms of food. Take some advice, not argue it all the time. We're not trying to attack you, we're trying to help you out before you have a disaster on your hands.
As for me having ich in my tank? No, I NEVER have had ich in my main tank. I QUARANTINE EVERYTHING for this exact reason.
I'm done trying to help you or give advice, because you only hear what you want to hear.
Good luck with your ich problem and dying anemone.
skate020
Member
omg dude your so up yourself,
I DONT HAVE A QT.
if my main tank is a 23g, you really think i'd have a QT set up?
yehh when i have a new tank the 23g may become a QT but still,
dude i've seen MANY display tanks with triggers, lions, about 4 angels, and to top it all off, the tank is probably about 55g at the most.
there all more of less fully grown and dont TOUCH each other,
i know its a rare site which is why im not putting in a lionfish,
and with the ich problem, lots of people get it, tbh, the parasite has to of come from somewhere, it cant just suddenly appear because a fish is stressed?
maybe the lfs has had it and so on, in that case yeh i admit its my fault i should of got a QT before i started gettin the fish, but hay, its done now, and atleast im doing my bit to stop it!.
i have done a lot of research on the fish keeping skill, and on the fish, wich is why i suggest the mixed fish, because i know its unlikely, but there have been cases of them working, which...i found out from......RESEARCH, you cant deny that?
and ok yeh, my lighting is terrible for a anemone, and i should'nt of put one in, but wow, im not in the position to be able to spend $500 on a lighting unit.
i've tried my best, i will eventually get decent lights, but not straight away, i cant afford!
yeh my parents are rich but doesnt mean i am?
the tank im gettin is a present, thats the only reason im gettin it, the lights dont come with it so i have to save up as much as i can so i can keep it going.
ffs dude, check out the forums, i bet you'll find atleast one tank with a fully grown lion and a puffer and/or a trigger, all fully grown, i know because i've seen a thread like that, and there fine,
I DONT HAVE A QT.
if my main tank is a 23g, you really think i'd have a QT set up?
yehh when i have a new tank the 23g may become a QT but still,
dude i've seen MANY display tanks with triggers, lions, about 4 angels, and to top it all off, the tank is probably about 55g at the most.
there all more of less fully grown and dont TOUCH each other,
i know its a rare site which is why im not putting in a lionfish,
and with the ich problem, lots of people get it, tbh, the parasite has to of come from somewhere, it cant just suddenly appear because a fish is stressed?
maybe the lfs has had it and so on, in that case yeh i admit its my fault i should of got a QT before i started gettin the fish, but hay, its done now, and atleast im doing my bit to stop it!.
i have done a lot of research on the fish keeping skill, and on the fish, wich is why i suggest the mixed fish, because i know its unlikely, but there have been cases of them working, which...i found out from......RESEARCH, you cant deny that?
and ok yeh, my lighting is terrible for a anemone, and i should'nt of put one in, but wow, im not in the position to be able to spend $500 on a lighting unit.
i've tried my best, i will eventually get decent lights, but not straight away, i cant afford!
yeh my parents are rich but doesnt mean i am?
the tank im gettin is a present, thats the only reason im gettin it, the lights dont come with it so i have to save up as much as i can so i can keep it going.
ffs dude, check out the forums, i bet you'll find atleast one tank with a fully grown lion and a puffer and/or a trigger, all fully grown, i know because i've seen a thread like that, and there fine,
crypt keeper
Active Member
Please stop with the fully grown triggers and angels talk. Angels grow over a foot long. Triggers do as well. Nobody has that many sized fish in a 55 and they get along. They would all get stressed stop eating and die within weeks. Or fight till they died. A 6 inch Angel is far from fully grown. As is a 6 inch trigger. CTs get 19 inches. Its Common they get to the 15 inch range our tanks. Emp anegls hit 12 to 13 inches. Queens bigger.
Also yes you will find tanks that have these fish mixed in. They are also 240 to 400 to 500 gallon set ups. Not 100. 100 gallon tank is a bucket of water to the fish you plan on getting.
You are very young and very immature by your reponses. You need to grow up and realize everything you have said is all wrong. Just because 5 people have had success the 1000 before did not. The odds are stacked against you.
The fish you want to keep need a 8 foot long tank 240+ plus gallons to be kept correctly once they are all over 8 inches which is no where near full grown.
Madarins need at least 100 pounds of live rock and a great fuge for their main diet or 9 out of 10 times they will die. a 23g tank just inst big enough. Unless you buy pods every few days. These fish eat more than you can ever imagine.
You want a great fishlist for your tank. One that will be gorgeous and will actually work and the fish will thrive
Flame angel
Bi Color angel
Kole tang
Hawkfish or some sort.
Midas Blenny
Clownfish pair.
Mandarin
That my friend is a responsible list and one that will work for many many years till you get the bigger tank.
The angels listed IMO are the most gorgeous angels we keep. They have the most vibrant colors and are just stunning with good lights.
Kole tang has brown purple and yellow. Its a peaceful fish that will love this set up.
Now you can go do what you want. Get all these large fish that will die in your set up after a year or so due to stress and aggression. Or you can say hey I control these animals lives. Let me make the most of it and be a smart mature young man. Instead of the Im gonna do it my way that you have been.
Once you get the 240 8 foot long tank. Then we can talk about bigger fish. Your tank isnt big. It may seem big but its not.
Also yes you will find tanks that have these fish mixed in. They are also 240 to 400 to 500 gallon set ups. Not 100. 100 gallon tank is a bucket of water to the fish you plan on getting.
You are very young and very immature by your reponses. You need to grow up and realize everything you have said is all wrong. Just because 5 people have had success the 1000 before did not. The odds are stacked against you.
The fish you want to keep need a 8 foot long tank 240+ plus gallons to be kept correctly once they are all over 8 inches which is no where near full grown.
Madarins need at least 100 pounds of live rock and a great fuge for their main diet or 9 out of 10 times they will die. a 23g tank just inst big enough. Unless you buy pods every few days. These fish eat more than you can ever imagine.
You want a great fishlist for your tank. One that will be gorgeous and will actually work and the fish will thrive
Flame angel
Bi Color angel
Kole tang
Hawkfish or some sort.
Midas Blenny
Clownfish pair.
Mandarin
That my friend is a responsible list and one that will work for many many years till you get the bigger tank.
The angels listed IMO are the most gorgeous angels we keep. They have the most vibrant colors and are just stunning with good lights.
Kole tang has brown purple and yellow. Its a peaceful fish that will love this set up.
Now you can go do what you want. Get all these large fish that will die in your set up after a year or so due to stress and aggression. Or you can say hey I control these animals lives. Let me make the most of it and be a smart mature young man. Instead of the Im gonna do it my way that you have been.
Once you get the 240 8 foot long tank. Then we can talk about bigger fish. Your tank isnt big. It may seem big but its not.
small triggers
Active Member
Cryptkeeper is breaking it down perfectly right.... Skate, for as much 'research' as you have done, im thinking your sources are not the most accurate. I personally have 3 triggers in my 150 and they WILL NOT be able to be in there for life, my niger is almost 6 inches long and i will soon (within the next 3 years) be upgrading to a 400+g tank so i may keep them all for life.
We are not saying you have to be rich, though if you are the one getting the 100g tank, it would only be responsible to have what you need to keep the creatures YOU BUY....You do not have to spend hundreds of dollars on lights, you can buy T5HO's inexpensivly, and i am assuming you have a job or some source of income (excluding allowance) if you are able to purchase fish and food for this tank....
Please take your time in the selection, and think about if and when you will be able to upgrade if you want fish that can grow up to a foot in length.
We are not saying you have to be rich, though if you are the one getting the 100g tank, it would only be responsible to have what you need to keep the creatures YOU BUY....You do not have to spend hundreds of dollars on lights, you can buy T5HO's inexpensivly, and i am assuming you have a job or some source of income (excluding allowance) if you are able to purchase fish and food for this tank....
Please take your time in the selection, and think about if and when you will be able to upgrade if you want fish that can grow up to a foot in length.
skate020
Member
alright alright,
maybe it is abit forward for the sizes, i ordered the tank the other day, i cancelled one i origaninally ordered and got a 125g instead,
5ft long, with a 30g sump/fuge,
it doesnt come with lighting or cabinet so im going to build the canopy and so on, and the lights im going for will probably be some sort of like 4x t5's
considering by the time im finished it'll be a FOWLR the t5s arnt as good as the MH but in respect because its a FOWLR i wont need MH,
my angelfish atm is 2.5", and the trigger about 3",
it'll go into the 125g for about 2-3years, at which point there'll be like wat? 6-7"? where yes they will start to get too big for the tank, and in about 2-3years im going to get the biggest tank i can physically fit into my apartment,
im thinking, 9ft long?
and honestly, the 55g has them fish in, and they've been in there for aslong as i've been fishkeeping (maybe a year nearly) and nobody has bought them (because there way over priced!, $170 for a lionfish is outragous!) next time i am at the fish shop, i will take a picture of them,
i know the chances are slim, but with the right food, and if the fish are similar sizes it'll minimise the fighting, im not saying it'll stop it, just keep it too a minimum, and its a chance im going to have to take, and IF they dont take together, then simples, i'll keep them in a QT untill i can sell them
i know the idea of the bi-color and flame is beautiful, but i dont want to buy them now, for a couple years, then have to get rid of them when i get my massive tank and want big fish, im not denying the 125g is perfect size for the big angels, not at all, but by the time they get to any kind of size where they need 9ft of swimming place, they'll be in a 9ft tank.
my apoligese for before, i went off on one, had an arguement with my GF and was in a bad mood, i know you have thousands times more experience then me, but i need to learn somehow.
and for the ich problem, i have put my fish into a 10g with nothing but sand, lowered the SG to 1.009 and will keep them there for 3 weeks, in my DT i've still got an anemone and inverts but the ich parasite doesnt affect them do they?
maybe it is abit forward for the sizes, i ordered the tank the other day, i cancelled one i origaninally ordered and got a 125g instead,
5ft long, with a 30g sump/fuge,
it doesnt come with lighting or cabinet so im going to build the canopy and so on, and the lights im going for will probably be some sort of like 4x t5's
considering by the time im finished it'll be a FOWLR the t5s arnt as good as the MH but in respect because its a FOWLR i wont need MH,
my angelfish atm is 2.5", and the trigger about 3",
it'll go into the 125g for about 2-3years, at which point there'll be like wat? 6-7"? where yes they will start to get too big for the tank, and in about 2-3years im going to get the biggest tank i can physically fit into my apartment,
im thinking, 9ft long?
and honestly, the 55g has them fish in, and they've been in there for aslong as i've been fishkeeping (maybe a year nearly) and nobody has bought them (because there way over priced!, $170 for a lionfish is outragous!) next time i am at the fish shop, i will take a picture of them,
i know the chances are slim, but with the right food, and if the fish are similar sizes it'll minimise the fighting, im not saying it'll stop it, just keep it too a minimum, and its a chance im going to have to take, and IF they dont take together, then simples, i'll keep them in a QT untill i can sell them
i know the idea of the bi-color and flame is beautiful, but i dont want to buy them now, for a couple years, then have to get rid of them when i get my massive tank and want big fish, im not denying the 125g is perfect size for the big angels, not at all, but by the time they get to any kind of size where they need 9ft of swimming place, they'll be in a 9ft tank.
my apoligese for before, i went off on one, had an arguement with my GF and was in a bad mood, i know you have thousands times more experience then me, but i need to learn somehow.
and for the ich problem, i have put my fish into a 10g with nothing but sand, lowered the SG to 1.009 and will keep them there for 3 weeks, in my DT i've still got an anemone and inverts but the ich parasite doesnt affect them do they?
crypt keeper
Active Member
125 that is 5 feet long is a very odd size. Sure it isnt 6 which is standard, Dt needs to be fishless 6 weeks. Do not lower salinity or add copper. Kill all inverts.
crypt keeper
Active Member
Just for a size reference for you. I bought my emp angel at 2.5 inches. He is now about 5. He has doubled in size in the 7 months I have had him. If you feed your fish correctly they will grow fast
crypt keeper
Active Member
My point is that your fish you want will get way too big in 3 years. Buy the correct fish. Enjoy them sell the whole set up once you get experienced get what you want.
btldreef
Moderator
[QUOTE=skate020;3161270
and honestly, the 55g has them fish in, and they've been in there for aslong as i've been fishkeeping (maybe a year nearly) and nobody has bought them
and for the ich problem, i have put my fish into a 10g with nothing but sand, lowered the SG to 1.009 and will keep them there for 3 weeks, in my DT i've still got an anemone and inverts but the ich parasite doesnt affect them do they?
So this 55G tank that you are talking about that has these fish in it is at a LFS? Of course, they just want to sell them. LFS's aren't interested in aggression or longevity, they want to house the fish, make a sale, and move on to the next fish. This is short term storage. Listen, putting angels and triggers in a tank that's too small for them is just plain animal abuse. Yes, there are people that do it, but it is not the right thing to do. People drive home drunk every night and get away with it, does that mean you should do this as well?
As for your QT tank, there should be NO sand, NO rock, etc. If you want to place any sort of hiding places for your fish in the QT tank, you need to use PVC piping or artificial decorations. Since you had Ich in your main tank, it's there, even if the other fish are not showing symptoms of it. Please look through the fish disease section, Beth placed very valuable information in there on what ich is, how it works, how to treat it, etc.
I'm not trying to be mean to you. I just don't want to see your tank crash, I know you want to learn, but learn from others mistakes so that it's not your mistake as well. If I can try to help a fellow hobbyist from making a huge mistake, I will. This hobby is not cheap and I'd hate to see people loose things/money when it is extremely avoidable.
As for your fish being small, yes, they are, right now. Angels and triggers grow fast. MOST marine fish grow fast. Just because they are small now does not mean you should treat them as a small fish. Angels, even when young need space so that they don't become even more aggressive than most of them already are by nature. The small tank will stress them out, even as juveniles.
I think you need to chill with buying fish for a while. By the time you receive the tank and fully cycle it, you're going to be well into February/March. You have MONTHS that these fish have to stay in a small tank, don't over crowd it more than you already have.
I really want to know, where are you getting the majority of your information from, because you've had a lot of incorrect info given to you over the past few weeks.
and honestly, the 55g has them fish in, and they've been in there for aslong as i've been fishkeeping (maybe a year nearly) and nobody has bought them
and for the ich problem, i have put my fish into a 10g with nothing but sand, lowered the SG to 1.009 and will keep them there for 3 weeks, in my DT i've still got an anemone and inverts but the ich parasite doesnt affect them do they?
So this 55G tank that you are talking about that has these fish in it is at a LFS? Of course, they just want to sell them. LFS's aren't interested in aggression or longevity, they want to house the fish, make a sale, and move on to the next fish. This is short term storage. Listen, putting angels and triggers in a tank that's too small for them is just plain animal abuse. Yes, there are people that do it, but it is not the right thing to do. People drive home drunk every night and get away with it, does that mean you should do this as well?
As for your QT tank, there should be NO sand, NO rock, etc. If you want to place any sort of hiding places for your fish in the QT tank, you need to use PVC piping or artificial decorations. Since you had Ich in your main tank, it's there, even if the other fish are not showing symptoms of it. Please look through the fish disease section, Beth placed very valuable information in there on what ich is, how it works, how to treat it, etc.
I'm not trying to be mean to you. I just don't want to see your tank crash, I know you want to learn, but learn from others mistakes so that it's not your mistake as well. If I can try to help a fellow hobbyist from making a huge mistake, I will. This hobby is not cheap and I'd hate to see people loose things/money when it is extremely avoidable.
As for your fish being small, yes, they are, right now. Angels and triggers grow fast. MOST marine fish grow fast. Just because they are small now does not mean you should treat them as a small fish. Angels, even when young need space so that they don't become even more aggressive than most of them already are by nature. The small tank will stress them out, even as juveniles.
I think you need to chill with buying fish for a while. By the time you receive the tank and fully cycle it, you're going to be well into February/March. You have MONTHS that these fish have to stay in a small tank, don't over crowd it more than you already have.
I really want to know, where are you getting the majority of your information from, because you've had a lot of incorrect info given to you over the past few weeks.
btldreef
Moderator
Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3161275
My point is that your fish you want will get way too big in 3 years. Buy the correct fish. Enjoy them sell the whole set up once you get experienced get what you want.
+1 I could not agree with you more Crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3161275
My point is that your fish you want will get way too big in 3 years. Buy the correct fish. Enjoy them sell the whole set up once you get experienced get what you want.
+1 I could not agree with you more Crypt keeper
skate020
Member
ok, yeh i understand that lfs just wants to sell and doesnt care about aggresion but also, they've been together for a long time and no trouble.
but ok, i'll check out some dwarf angels and maybe a maroon clown with a school of chromis or something then,
and for the ich problem, i've taken all my fish out, put them in a 10g, (only tank i hd spare to use) and lowered the salinity to 1.009, its only got sand in it atm, i took out all the LR and inverts there were in there and thats all in my dt atm,
i did read up on the disease section, says the lowered salinity will kill LR and inverts, and corals but not the fish, nd the hole point of it is that the prasite cant live at them conditions, but the fish can, and that if you leave it for 3 weeks, with no fish in the tank affected, the parasite cant latch onto anything, therefore dieing, and 3 weeks because thats how long the cycle is,
yehh 5ft long because its all i can fit atm,
but ok, i'll check out some dwarf angels and maybe a maroon clown with a school of chromis or something then,
and for the ich problem, i've taken all my fish out, put them in a 10g, (only tank i hd spare to use) and lowered the salinity to 1.009, its only got sand in it atm, i took out all the LR and inverts there were in there and thats all in my dt atm,
i did read up on the disease section, says the lowered salinity will kill LR and inverts, and corals but not the fish, nd the hole point of it is that the prasite cant live at them conditions, but the fish can, and that if you leave it for 3 weeks, with no fish in the tank affected, the parasite cant latch onto anything, therefore dieing, and 3 weeks because thats how long the cycle is,
yehh 5ft long because its all i can fit atm,
btldreef
Moderator
Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3161560
ok, yeh i understand that lfs just wants to sell and doesnt care about aggresion but also, they've been together for a long time and no trouble.
but ok, i'll check out some dwarf angels and maybe a maroon clown with a school of chromis or something then,
and for the ich problem, i've taken all my fish out, put them in a 10g, (only tank i hd spare to use) and lowered the salinity to 1.009, its only got sand in it atm, i took out all the LR and inverts there were in there and thats all in my dt atm,
i did read up on the disease section, says the lowered salinity will kill LR and inverts, and corals but not the fish, nd the hole point of it is that the prasite cant live at them conditions, but the fish can, and that if you leave it for 3 weeks, with no fish in the tank affected, the parasite cant latch onto anything, therefore dieing, and 3 weeks because thats how long the cycle is,
yehh 5ft long because its all i can fit atm,
If you have sand in your QT, I recommend removing it, if at all possible. It just makes it harder to get rid of the parasite because it gives it somewhere to live. If you can't get it out with the fish in there, than remove it before you use it as a QT again for next time. By the way, you can leave your mandarin in the DT, he won't get ich, they have a mucus coating on their body.
http:///forum/post/3161560
ok, yeh i understand that lfs just wants to sell and doesnt care about aggresion but also, they've been together for a long time and no trouble.
but ok, i'll check out some dwarf angels and maybe a maroon clown with a school of chromis or something then,
and for the ich problem, i've taken all my fish out, put them in a 10g, (only tank i hd spare to use) and lowered the salinity to 1.009, its only got sand in it atm, i took out all the LR and inverts there were in there and thats all in my dt atm,
i did read up on the disease section, says the lowered salinity will kill LR and inverts, and corals but not the fish, nd the hole point of it is that the prasite cant live at them conditions, but the fish can, and that if you leave it for 3 weeks, with no fish in the tank affected, the parasite cant latch onto anything, therefore dieing, and 3 weeks because thats how long the cycle is,
yehh 5ft long because its all i can fit atm,
If you have sand in your QT, I recommend removing it, if at all possible. It just makes it harder to get rid of the parasite because it gives it somewhere to live. If you can't get it out with the fish in there, than remove it before you use it as a QT again for next time. By the way, you can leave your mandarin in the DT, he won't get ich, they have a mucus coating on their body.
skate020
Member
ok, i'll research the manderin and put it in maybe
unfortunately the niger jumped out the 10g
i was really annoyed, i loved it, would eat from my hands and everything, i dont think QT are a good place for nigers, they like their rockwork to hide and when its a 10g with that many fish i could imagen the stress it was under, well, i suppose it leads me closer to that dwarf angels and stuff stocklist, which in a way is good, but i was going to put him in my mates 9ft tank, (the one i said had 6 angels) and keep him their for a couple years, tis ashame but i suppose these things happen, i think im going to make a net for that tank, im going to tenerife this morning, leaving at 4, leaving my bro incharge of the tank, i hope its ok, i've told him wat to feed it and when, so fingers crossed nothing else is gone when im back,
unfortunately the niger jumped out the 10g
i was really annoyed, i loved it, would eat from my hands and everything, i dont think QT are a good place for nigers, they like their rockwork to hide and when its a 10g with that many fish i could imagen the stress it was under, well, i suppose it leads me closer to that dwarf angels and stuff stocklist, which in a way is good, but i was going to put him in my mates 9ft tank, (the one i said had 6 angels) and keep him their for a couple years, tis ashame but i suppose these things happen, i think im going to make a net for that tank, im going to tenerife this morning, leaving at 4, leaving my bro incharge of the tank, i hope its ok, i've told him wat to feed it and when, so fingers crossed nothing else is gone when im back,
browniebuck
Active Member
new poster here...do a little search on my...I was you about 3 years ago...the people on these boards are trying to help all that post...it is a very friendly forum to ask questions and help other hobbyists with their problems.
I started with a 55 gallon aquarium...I went WAY too fast, I added fish that didn't belong, and I wasted hundreds of dollars on fish that lasted at most a couple months....I didn't listen, thought that people were attacking me, and did what I wanted to do (I also did enough research to find "yes" answers to all of my questions...I would look high and low until I found those answers).
As a few others have said, you may be able to find some people that have been successful with lists that most would say wouldn't work...but if you looked a little further, you would find nearly a dozen that didn't work.
I am going to tell you to be careful with CryptKeeper's fish list because it has 2 dwarf angels on it. I was one of the few that was successful with more than one dwarf in my 55 (nearly a year before a heater malfunction killed one), but after losing one I tried it again and had to take my tank apart to get one out to avoid another death.
My point is...do some research, ask TONS of questions, and accept "most" answers. I am not telling you to take 0 risks, but be responsible (and save yourself LOTS of $$$$$).
I started with a 55 gallon aquarium...I went WAY too fast, I added fish that didn't belong, and I wasted hundreds of dollars on fish that lasted at most a couple months....I didn't listen, thought that people were attacking me, and did what I wanted to do (I also did enough research to find "yes" answers to all of my questions...I would look high and low until I found those answers).
As a few others have said, you may be able to find some people that have been successful with lists that most would say wouldn't work...but if you looked a little further, you would find nearly a dozen that didn't work.
I am going to tell you to be careful with CryptKeeper's fish list because it has 2 dwarf angels on it. I was one of the few that was successful with more than one dwarf in my 55 (nearly a year before a heater malfunction killed one), but after losing one I tried it again and had to take my tank apart to get one out to avoid another death.
My point is...do some research, ask TONS of questions, and accept "most" answers. I am not telling you to take 0 risks, but be responsible (and save yourself LOTS of $$$$$).