stocklist for a 100g

skate020

Member
also, i was thinking, i know almost everyone frowns upon using sand from the beach because it contains sooo much rubbish, it could do more harm then good, but what if i were to boil it for 10minutes? It'll kill 100% of stuff ln it, so it wont contain any harmful stuff, then the bacteria from the lr nd stuff can spread to it, causeing the cycle to complete, would that work?
 

skate020

Member
right, i've just literally walked through the door from my holiday, put my back away and the first thing i see, MY TANK HAS BEEN DESTROYED!!, i mean, the water level was about half way, the rocks had been demolished about, everything moved, my clownfish had no head, (bare in mind NO fish in my tank could eat my clowns) and i've only seen a green chromis and my cleaner shrimp alive in there. im seriously annoyed.
im going to have to sort it out BIG time tomorrow, my mum is taking me to the fish shop to get my bro a new tank, so im basically gna make her pay for my tank to get up and running nicely again,
if she simply done the feeding twice a day, and turning the light on and off, NONE of this would of happend, i mean, yeh they have ich, well probably dont now, but they coulda lived a week with it.
i take my hat off to crypt and BTL and all them lot because they saw it, all i can ask now, is please, help me, what can i do to sort it out, i've no QT for the couple of fish alive in there and its horrible.
shall i do a 100% water change with R/O water?
take out ALL the sand and clean it?
find everything i dread has been killed
and then put it all back in, and hope it doesnt cycle and kill the fish?
ahhh guys, not something i wanted to come back from holiday to see.
im going to set up the QT tomorrow to, hopefully it'll be ok to hold 2 fish in? if i use decent water?
could you guys give me a hand? please?
 

btldreef

Moderator
Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3166307
right, i've just literally walked through the door from my holiday, put my back away and the first thing i see, MY TANK HAS BEEN DESTROYED!!, i mean, the water level was about half way, the rocks had been demolished about, everything moved, my clownfish had no head, (bare in mind NO fish in my tank could eat my clowns) and i've only seen a green chromis and my cleaner shrimp alive in there. im seriously annoyed.
im going to have to sort it out BIG time tomorrow, my mum is taking me to the fish shop to get my bro a new tank, so im basically gna make her pay for my tank to get up and running nicely again,
if she simply done the feeding twice a day, and turning the light on and off, NONE of this would of happend, i mean, yeh they have ich, well probably dont now, but they coulda lived a week with it.
i take my hat off to crypt and BTL and all them lot because they saw it, all i can ask now, is please, help me, what can i do to sort it out, i've no QT for the couple of fish alive in there and its horrible.
shall i do a 100% water change with R/O water?
take out ALL the sand and clean it?
find everything i dread has been killed
and then put it all back in, and hope it doesnt cycle and kill the fish?
ahhh guys, not something i wanted to come back from holiday to see.
im going to set up the QT tomorrow to, hopefully it'll be ok to hold 2 fish in? if i use decent water?
could you guys give me a hand? please?
I thought you had the one tank and the QT?
Anyways, what exactly happened so that I can better understand what is going on?
How horrible are your water parameters from this?
 

skate020

Member
well basically, there are dead fish all over the place,
water is cloudy, and water level is low,
i have not yet done any tests i will do somelater on today,
there is a cut in half clownfish floating on top i've just found, dont know how long it's been dead there for, but the water is most likely horrible by now.
i've got college likw now till about mid day, so when im back im gna make my mum go to the shop with my and sort everything out, R/O water,salt, new food, maybe a new filter? (will it be needed?)
and nah, i have atm 2 tanks, (mine and my brothers) but my brother is gettin a new one today hopefully,so i;m going to use his as a QT, by i need to set it up as a QT first.
i'll give you feedback on watr parameters asap
 

btldreef

Moderator
You may need to just start over and cycle properly. If any of your rocks were in the air when you lost half the water in the tank, there is die off. I would ask the LFS if they can "store" your fish for you until your tank is stable again, or you'll probably lose whatever fish you have left. What fish survived by the way?
 

skate020

Member
ok, i got my QT up and running, its fresh water atm but ima let that run for a day, then add salt.
i will go tomorrow to LFS and ask them,
fish lost:
asfur angel
niger trigger
2x true percs
manderin (maybe)
i've got left:
2 green chromis, (my brothers)
manderin( maybe)
cleaner shrimp
sixline(maybe)
when i say maybe, i havent seen them, but there not floating around, and the rockwork is all over the place, none sticking in the air thank god.
so the manderin and sixline may still be alive, im not taking everything out untill about 11 tonight and then i'll find out exactly.
but i've cleaned out my QT and got water in there so i'll do some tests later:)
 

crypt keeper

Active Member
You do know that the qt will cycle about twice as long as a normal tank right? I just set mine back up cause im buying more fish. It took almost 5 weeks.
 

skate020

Member
howcome?
it was used earlier today as a main tank for my brother, so the filtration is all equipt with the bacteria etc.
all i've done is a 100% water change and taken the sand out, im just about to add salt.
i got my new powerhead today, twin head 65000lph, big old kiddy:)
i put it in there so when i add salt it'll disolve like right away making it easier to do, instead of having piles of salt at the bottom.
so even though it was a main tank less then 5 hours before it'l still take time to cycle?
i wont add any fish untill im confirmed on this stuff
 

skate020

Member
QT is up and running, with salt in at sainity 1.009, should i increase the salinity or keep it at that?
the only fish i have left are:
2x green chromis
1x manderin.
manderin can only get ich on its gills but it hasnt, and the green chromis dont seem to be affected, could it maybe be over now?
from the ich point of view.
i done my water change last night, looking alot better, starting to get less cloudy now, hopefully within a week or so, it'll be crystal clear:)
im going to do about a 25% water change every day for next week or so, just so i can be sure its clean
still thinking about going different with a stocklist now, maybe something like this:
1x volitan lionfish
1x bi-color angel
1x large angel (anyone suggest which i could have which'll grow slowish?)
1x maroon clown.
1x manderin
2x green chromis
the manderin and green chromis i wouldnt usually add but because i've already got them......so yehh lol.
does that sound ok? will 1 large angelfish be too big for a 5ft long?
obv i'll buy juvi. and let it grow into adulthood
 

btldreef

Moderator
Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3167037
QT is up and running, with salt in at sainity 1.009, should i increase the salinity or keep it at that?
the only fish i have left are:
2x green chromis
1x manderin.
manderin can only get ich on its gills but it hasnt, and the green chromis dont seem to be affected, could it maybe be over now?
from the ich point of view.
i done my water change last night, looking alot better, starting to get less cloudy now, hopefully within a week or so, it'll be crystal clear:)
im going to do about a 25% water change every day for next week or so, just so i can be sure its clean
still thinking about going different with a stocklist now, maybe something like this:
1x volitan lionfish
1x bi-color angel
1x large angel (anyone suggest which i could have which'll grow slowish?)
1x maroon clown.
1x manderin
2x green chromis
the manderin and green chromis i wouldnt usually add but because i've already got them......so yehh lol.
does that sound ok? will 1 large angelfish be too big for a 5ft long?
obv i'll buy juvi. and let it grow into adulthood
Just because your fish aren't showing signs of ich, does not mean that it's not in your tank. The parasite can live in a fishless environment for up to 7 weeks. With fish, it can live, well, until the fish die, and then 7 weeks. As a general rule of thumb, I would not put fish into a tank that had ich for at least 2 1/2 months, possibly longer.
Are you rocks in the QT as well? If so, the salinity needs to be increased.
Do not put your mandarin and the chromis with the lionfish unless you plan on using them for food. In all honesty, I don't think your chromis or mandarin are going to survive this whole ordeal, but if they do, no lion.
Soo, you have two tanks? Since your brother is getting a new one, right? I would use one as a QT and cycle the other tank properly.
Be careful not to do too many water changes, you need to get the water stable.
Personally I wouldn't put one of the larger angelfish in a 5ft long. Especially since there are so many other options for fish out there. If you get a slower growing species such as the Asfur again then you might be okay for a few years, but ultimately it's really not the best environment for them. I would really stick with the list that CryptKeeper told you to do and not stray from it very much, if at all.
In all honesty, I don't think you have the experience yet to take care of some of the larger, more difficult angel species anyways.
Get your tank running stable and then worry about everything else. ONE THING AT A TIME.
How exactly did you end up with such a disaster and rocks everywhere? What happened?
I'd write more, but my dinner is ready.
Are you testing your water?
 

skate020

Member
well, i went on holiday for a week, i told my mum to turn lights on and off, she didnt, water level went down ALOT, to below the filter, the filter could not run, fish waste was poisoning the water.
thats basically wat happend, and from where the rock where out of water, the weight of them increased, causeing them to fall, (thats my theory anyways).
yehh i've done a 100% water change in both tanks, atm the ONLY fish in my DT is the manderin, becuase its unlikely it'll get ich, the chromis are in my QT(my bro's old tank, i done a 100% water change on it too, tested it, all is perfect, no rock or sand in there, i've got a koralina nano in there and will put some pipe work in for cover, but thats it).
as for my main tank, everything seems to be giving me the impression that its cycled, ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate 0.5, and the water is crystal clear.
the manderin in there looks bad tho, his colours gone like a grey, so i'll be supprised if he makes it through the next couple of weeks. and the chromis. there fine, ima keep them in the QT for a few weeks, to make sure there ok, but, i got them for my brother, not for me, so, overall, idc if the lion takes them.
ok, so if i go more sensible, hows this for the stocklist:
1x volitans lion
1x bi-color angel
1x flame angel
1x hippo tang
1x maroon clown
does that sound suitable for the tank?
 

btldreef

Moderator
Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3167591
well, i went on holiday for a week, i told my mum to turn lights on and off, she didnt, water level went down ALOT, to below the filter, the filter could not run, fish waste was poisoning the water.
thats basically wat happend, and from where the rock where out of water, the weight of them increased, causeing them to fall, (thats my theory anyways).
yehh i've done a 100% water change in both tanks, atm the ONLY fish in my DT is the manderin, becuase its unlikely it'll get ich, the chromis are in my QT(my bro's old tank, i done a 100% water change on it too, tested it, all is perfect, no rock or sand in there, i've got a koralina nano in there and will put some pipe work in for cover, but thats it).
as for my main tank, everything seems to be giving me the impression that its cycled, ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate 0.5, and the water is crystal clear.
the manderin in there looks bad tho, his colours gone like a grey, so i'll be supprised if he makes it through the next couple of weeks. and the chromis. there fine, ima keep them in the QT for a few weeks, to make sure there ok, but, i got them for my brother, not for me, so, overall, idc if the lion takes them.
ok, so if i go more sensible, hows this for the stocklist:
1x volitans lion
1x bi-color angel
1x flame angel
1x hippo tang
1x maroon clown
does that sound suitable for the tank?
That looks much more sensible, at least to me. I would suggest possibly a smaller tang, but it looks okay. Hippos like a lot of swimming room, get huge and produce a huge bio load (seriously, it's disgusting) so just keep that in mind. If you don't add any other fish to that list, that seems like an okay stocklist for a 100G.
That sucks about your tank. I'm so glad I have someone very knowledgeable about fish tanks to care for mine when I'm away. Your mom definitely owes you a new tank now! LOL
Anyways, if your rocks were out of water, there's going to be die off, especially since you don't know how long they were out of the water. Your tank may not have cycled the rock yet, it takes time. I don't think your mandarin is going to make it, to be quite honest. I know that yours accepts frozen food, I highly suggest you add vitamins to his food and water for the next few days if you expect him to have a fighting chance.
My suggestion:
Since your mandarin eats frozen food, put him in the QT with the chromis. FULLY CYCLE THE OTHER TANK. Even if your readings are okay right now, they can go to hell in an hour or two. Act as if you're starting the DT from scratch with rock and sand. When you think it's ready, add a clean up crew, THEN let it sit and test your water more. If all looks good after 2-3 weeks, try a fish again. If you have all three fish in the QT without any rock you can make certain that they don't have ich and do hyposalinity, which might help them out right now with all the stress they've been through. You can also easily dose in that size tank if there are any issues that arise with the fish. I'd give all three of them vitamins as well since they're definitely stressed out, and you're saying that your mandarin doesn't look good. You can add them to their food, to their water, or both. Boyd's is a pretty decent brand, I trust it. With all the fish out of the DT, you can properly cycle (which I don't think you ever did with this tank) and be certain that the ich parasite is out of that tank as well. If you plan on using the rock in this tank for the 100G, you need to be certain that the parasite is gone or you're going to have big problems. This will also give you good practice for when you have to fully cycle the 100G. Look through cycling threads for different ways people do it. There is no "absolute perfect way" but there are wrong ways. I have never had to do a full cycle with my own tanks (done it for other people) so I'm not the one to give you advice on how to do it properly.
 

skate020

Member
ok, the manderin will go in the QT, once i can catch him..... lol, i'llput some pipework in the QT aswell because the manderin like there hiding places.
ok, wat about like, a yellow tang? or maybe a powder blue?
could i get them,and then a snowflake eel aswell? or is that too much.
i like eels when there big, when there small im not to keen on them but when they grow i think they look cool!
yehh ima keep all my fish QT'd for atleast 4 weeks when i get them, and my 100g will be 100% cycled!,i wont put any fish in untill the water is CRYSTAL clear, and everything is at 0, (nitrite, nitrate and ammonia)
ima keep the S.G. at 1.025, and pH at 8.3.
and with the adding of new fish, wat ima do is put a fish in the QT, then when that fish has QT'd after atleast 4 weeks, i'll add another fish into the QT, so then, there is never more then 1 fish in the QT.
with the 100g, should i get a cannister aswell as a sump? or is that pointless?
ima put the LR in my tank atm in the sump, because its man made, its not very good looking rock, its flat on one side, so in a sump it'll do good, and if i get real LR with good shapes and so on, it'll look gooood:)
when i add fish, wat should i add first?
the most aggresive down to the least, or the least up to the most aggresive?
 

btldreef

Moderator
Too many questions, LOL, so my answer are in red in your quote.
Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3167846
ok, the manderin will go in the QT, once i can catch him..... lol, i'llput some pipework in the QT aswell because the manderin like there hiding places.
Yes they do! Good luck catching him
ok, wat about like, a yellow tang? or maybe a powder blue?
could i get them,and then a snowflake eel aswell? or is that too much.
i like eels when there big, when there small im not to keen on them but when they grow i think they look cool!
A powder blue will get just as big as a hippo, sometimes bigger and they're much harder to care for. They're very prone to ich, and many don't survive in the home aquarium. If you do decide to add this fish, it should be the LAST you add. Yellow tangs are much hardier fish over all. Take a look at the sailfins, they're beautiful, IMO. I have no experience with eels so I'm not the one to ask about them. I'll do a little research about the snowflake and get back to you. I think they're better than some of the others though.
yehh ima keep all my fish QT'd for atleast 4 weeks when i get them, and my 100g will be 100% cycled!,i wont put any fish in untill the water is CRYSTAL clear, and everything is at 0, (nitrite, nitrate and ammonia)
ima keep the S.G. at 1.025, and pH at 8.3.
and with the adding of new fish, wat ima do is put a fish in the QT, then when that fish has QT'd after atleast 4 weeks, i'll add another fish into the QT, so then, there is never more then 1 fish in the QT.
Sounds like a good plan. Yeah, in the smaller QT tanks, you definitely don't want more than one fish at a time.
with the 100g, should i get a cannister aswell as a sump? or is that pointless?
I only run a sump on my 155G, if that helps answer your question. I have no issues. I run a sump with Chemi Pure Elite carbon media and some live rock along with a protein skimmer, that's it.
ima put the LR in my tank atm in the sump, because its man made, its not very good looking rock, its flat on one side, so in a sump it'll do good, and if i get real LR with good shapes and so on, it'll look gooood:)
I'm not a huge fan of man made live rock. It usually has absolutely no beneficial qualities whatsoever It might not even be worth it to put in the sump. Do you know what it is made of?
when i add fish, wat should i add first?
the most aggresive down to the least, or the least up to the most aggresive?
Least aggressive first. Let them try to establish territory of their own before you add a more aggressive fish. As a general rule, the more aggressive the fish, the bigger the territory they establish, especially if they're is no one else to fight off.
 

skate020

Member
lol thanks:)
yeh ok, i may actually go for a sailfin, i looked at your one and its a lovely fish, yellow tangs are cool too. i may go for the sailfin, i done a little research on them and love them.
ok i think the sump is about 20g-30g? i'll have some LR in there, lil bit of cheato, skimmer, and some carbon media etc. maybe a few bio balls.
i'll have to do some research on it tho to see what order they are supposed to go in, because right now i have no ideaa lol.
the man made stuff is cement, with like small pebble and stuff in the middle, but it is treated so things can grow on it. so for properties, its exactly like LR, same density, same nutrients etc. just i bought because it was cheaper. bad idea.
i really dont like the look anymore, also its hard to make it into caves and stuff, because it doesnt slot into place like LR they need to be wedged into something. alot of hassle.
yeh ok, i done a lil bit of research on the snowflake, they get to about 2ft long and are one of the smaller eels, so for size i think its fine, there also one of the least aggresive, but it is a eel so yeh. but because of its size, i HIGHLY doubt it'll ve able to take a maroon, i can feed it with tongs so it doesnt loose food to the other free swimming fish etc. the only thing im worried about, is that im going to have to make a goood canopy so it doesnt come out lol. i'll make a lid for it, a couple of hinges, hole in the side for wires. shouldnt be too hard.
ok yehh, i got confused because i thought, if i get aggresive first, they can get their territory first so they dont have to fight for it when they come in, or whether it was, they come in last so they dont fight off fish in their territory lol.
so first firsh in your opinion should be? the clown? or the tang? i heard the maroons can become quite aggresive..?
righttt, so to stop confusion, the stocklist now iss:
1x volitan
1x flame angel
1x bi-colour
1x sailfiin tang
1x maroon clown
1x snowflake eel (maybe)
 

skate020

Member
i was just pondering. and i done a little research on the flame angel.
it only grows to about 4", if i have a 4" flame, and a 14" lion, that flame is as good as gone!
could i instead of 2 dwarfs, get 1 large. 5ft long tank isnt that small, and with only 1 angel it wont have to compeat for territory.
my LFS has a MASSIVE range large angels, its got:
1x 6" asfur
1x 6" emperror
1x 4"majestic
1x 4"bluefaced
1x 4" emperror
1x 2"lamarck
1x 3" Chinese blue ring (VERY expensive tho) about $250
1x 4" passive angel
1x2.5" emperror juvi.
1x 1.5" flame angel
so yehh, seeing all them is amazing, they are the most beautiful fish ever.
if i cant then its no worries, i was just wondering because i would rather have 1 large then 2 dwarfs. and it'll be less fish overal, and i wont replace the 1 less fish lols
if so, which one would be best? obv not the 6" ones, but maybe like the 4" bluefaced or something?
 

skate020

Member
I've just cancelled my tank comeing and ordered this!
it says 460litres approx. but when you work out the dimension it comes to 180G! so i think ima get a bluefaced!
its only 125cm long, not very long, but its HUGE in height. 118cm!, nearly 4ft high!
heres the link for it.
it comes with lighting, heaters, and 2 cannister filters.
i'll use the cannisters untill i can afford a sump. but yeh this tank has everything i need. then i'll buy a R/O unit to fill it:)
heres the pic of it and info:
Aquarium
Dimensions: 125 x 46(max) x 118 cm (WxDxH)
Useful volume: 460 Litres approx.
Lighting: 3 x 30 watt T8
Thickness of glass: 12mm
Cabinet
Dimensions: 125 x 46(max) x 58 cm (WxDxH)
Delivered assembled
Equipment
2 x Fluval 305 External Filter
2 x 300 watt heater
Lighting - 3 x 30 watt T8
 

crypt keeper

Active Member
You want length not height. If you got a standard 125 or 150 you could put an angel in there or 2 or 3 like Im doing for about 2 years if they were bought as Juvis. Dont get a 4 foot high tank. Our fish like to swim back and forth not up and down.
 

cranberry

Active Member
You should have listened to them when they said it was a 460L (120g) tank. It doesn't equal 180g, I'm afraid. It's a bow front, so you can't use the standard calculators. Its not 46cm all the way across... that is it's deepest point. The minimum point is 36cm... so... ummm... ya. It's a 120. Sorry :-(
 
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