stocklist for a 100g

[btldreef]

I agree with both Cranberry and CryptKeeper. You need a longer tank. Why don't you look at a 6 foot long tank? For the fish you really want, I highly recommend getting a 6ft long 180G. I have a 155G that's 6ft long and even I think that sometimes it's not long enough for my fish.
Think of it this way, many reefs are wide and shallow, NOT deep and narrow.
You should really look into getting an Oceanic Reef Ready Aquariums. I think it would really benefit you to spend the extra money upfront and get a reef ready system.

 

[btldreef]

Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3168028
lol thanks
yeh ok, i may actually go for a sailfin, i looked at your one and its a lovely fish, yellow tangs are cool too. i may go for the sailfin, i done a little research on them and love them.
I need to take new pics of her, she was still stressed and not fully showing colors when that pic was taken. You should take a look at the Desjardinii Saifin. They're REALLY nice. But much more money. Also take a look at the Purple Tang. The Sailfin, Purple, Yellow and Desjardinii are all Zebrosoma tangs (sailfins) so it's recommended that you only keep one. Mine is a great fish, eats right from my hand and is always swimming all over the tank. I like yellows, but EVERYONE has one
ok i think the sump is about 20g-30g? i'll have some LR in there, lil bit of cheato, skimmer, and some carbon media etc. maybe a few bio balls.
i'll have to do some research on it tho to see what order they are supposed to go in, because right now i have no ideaa lol.
Just see what other people are doing
the man made stuff is cement, with like small pebble and stuff in the middle, but it is treated so things can grow on it. so for properties, its exactly like LR, same density, same nutrients etc. just i bought because it was cheaper. bad idea.
i really dont like the look anymore, also its hard to make it into caves and stuff, because it doesnt slot into place like LR they need to be wedged into something. alot of hassle.
Man made usually equals garbage, IMO. And I hope you've learned by now that the cheaper something is, the crappier it usually is in this hobby.
yeh ok, i done a lil bit of research on the snowflake, they get to about 2ft long and are one of the smaller eels, so for size i think its fine, there also one of the least aggresive, but it is a eel so yeh. but because of its size, i HIGHLY doubt it'll ve able to take a maroon, i can feed it with tongs so it doesnt loose food to the other free swimming fish etc. the only thing im worried about, is that im going to have to make a goood canopy so it doesnt come out lol. i'll make a lid for it, a couple of hinges, hole in the side for wires. shouldnt be too hard.
Yes, I do think that you should be okay with one of these. Numerous people seem to have luck with them. Try to get a juvi
ok yehh, i got confused because i thought, if i get aggresive first, they can get their territory first so they dont have to fight for it when they come in, or whether it was, they come in last so they dont fight off fish in their territory lol.
so first firsh in your opinion should be? the clown? or the tang? i heard the maroons can become quite aggresive..?
righttt, so to stop confusion, the stocklist now iss:
1x volitan
1x flame angel
1x bi-colour
1x sailfiin tang
1x maroon clown
1x snowflake eel (maybe)
I'd probably add the dwarf angels together to avoid fighting. Yes, Maroons are probably the most aggressive clown. IMO, I'd add the Sailfin, then the dwarf angles, then the clown, then the lion (possibly the lion before some of the others, Cranberry, please chime in here with your thoughts) and I think the eel could really go in at any point if it's a juvi.
You know, most fish you are looking at are reef safe. Are you set on doing a FOWLR, or are you thinking of doing a mixed reef?

 

[btldreef]

Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3168121
i was just pondering. and i done a little research on the flame angel.
it only grows to about 4", if i have a 4" flame, and a 14" lion, that flame is as good as gone!
not necessarily, at least not for awhile The flame swims awfully fast, but you could run into an issue as the lion gets bigger. Cranberry is the one to ask about lions. I fear them and refuse to keep one in my tank, LOL..
could i instead of 2 dwarfs, get 1 large. 5ft long tank isnt that small, and with only 1 angel it wont have to compeat for territory.
Not with the tank you're looking at now. You need a 6" long tank for a larger angel. If you get a 6" tank, yes you're probably better off with a larger angel.
my LFS has a MASSIVE range large angels, its got:
1x 6" asfur too big
1x 6" emperror too big
1x 4"majestic
1x 4"bluefaced
1x 4" emperror
1x 2"lamarck a little bigger would be better, IMO
1x 3" Chinese blue ring (VERY expensive tho) about $250
1x 4" passive angel
1x2.5" emperror juvi. try to get bigger, the 4" is the better option
1x 1.5" flame angel do not buy one this small,JMO
so yehh, seeing all them is amazing, they are the most beautiful fish ever.
if i cant then its no worries, i was just wondering because i would rather have 1 large then 2 dwarfs. and it'll be less fish overal, and i wont replace the 1 less fish lols
if so, which one would be best? obv not the 6" ones, but maybe like the 4" bluefaced or something?4" Angels are a good size. The small ones tend to be more difficult to care for. Please research the dietary requirements for angels. Many people don't understand it and that's why their angelfish perrish.
You do need a longer tank though.

 

[skate020]

ok thanks guys. i think that would probably be my limit on size if im honest, i havent really got a ton of room to get a 6ft long tank, unless i have it on the floor, which with a little brother and sister, i dont wanna be doing.
will that not be big enough for one larger angel? no dwarfs or anything?i liked the look of the blueface in the shop. if its not, then i wont hassle it, but it will be alot of swimming place in there, and alot of territory for it to cover, i can mount the LR on cradles in levels so they go quite far up the tank.
sorry i wasnt more specific on the measurements.
i looked at them again and cranberry you were right, its 46cm at the biggest point, and 36 at the smallest. it says approx on it, i mean mine said approx 90L but i have about 100l in there.
its probs about, 130G.
nahh, i know that the fish are reef safe but im not really looking to buy corals. if i decide to do a reef, i'll need to buy a MH, especially for the depth of that tank.
so if i do a FOWLR i can stick with the 3x 30W T8's that come with it, hopefully, i already have a twin t5 unit for the sump too. i know the cheaper the stuff are, the crappier, but only within reason, if you hear me out on this tank. its stilla big tank, come with 2 external filters of good quality. and heaters and lights. so its not that bad.
i WILL have to buy a R/O unit, because im not going to make the mistake of pouring tap water in and mixing salt in wth it again LOL.
i know it'll be an extra$140 but its a must.
with the new tank, im going to make sure everything is 100%, saying that, could someone suggest a good skimmer?
i can use my red sea berlin air lift for my QT.
but once again with the angel. i will get this tank, because i love the look of it lols. but is it too small for 1 blueface?
if it is then stocklist will be, in order of placing in:
1x sailfin/purple tang
2x dwarf angels, bi-color nd something else, (not flame cos will get munched by lion)
1x juvi. snowflake
1x maroon
1x lionfish
if the blueface can be allowed, then it'll be that instead of the 2 dwarfs.
also.
off this subject. how long will i need to keep the salinity down in my QT for before the parasite is gone in there?
its at 1.009 with nothing in there but a couple of chromis and a spongebob house which my lil brother insisted on me putting in there. lols.
so yeh, when should i start slowly upping the S.G in there?
also, i shouldnt put anything in my DT till after christmas right?
oh and, heres a more specific picture of the dimensions of the tank:

 

[cranberry]

How are you seriously going to clean a 4' tall tank?

 

[skate020]

LOLS good question lol, i suppose i'll make some extension poles on scrappers, attach some string to a bucket for water changes if i gotta one day do a 100% one, and sand hoovers with a LONG nose lols, i'll have to custom make alort of things, but my dad owns a building firm, so i could probs get alot of the stuff from him.
and cranberry, when should i add the lion?
first, middle or last?
i know there not that aggresive on fish of similar sizes but just incase.
i know your the king of all lions/ poisonous fish

 

[skate020]

ALSO, i done the calculations of 125x118x36, and that comes to 140g, thats without the curve, so it is about a 155g tank

 

[cranberry]

I guarantee you they are not underestimating the size of their tank. Think about it. Why would a company do that when they can get more money for a larger volume tank. If they list it as 120s then logic says that's what it is. Why are you being so resistant to this?
You'll notice the measurements include the base and the top rim of the tank. The measurements of the tank itself I'm sure when plugged into the calculators equal their posted gallonage.

 

[skate020]

i understand that they would like to make the correct size. i just like to do it mathematically. i study maths so i like being a perfectionist on this stuff. (hard to believe on my tank up to now i know).
IMO, i think it'll hold atleast 20liters more then said. but, obv, they may say this as advice, for say the strength of the glass or something.
and im not trying to be resistant to it, i just like to reasure myself by doing the calculations, makes me think im gettin alot more value for money.
anyways, cranberry, on the lion thing, my LFS has a lionfish of about 3", nd one of about 14", i could get any when i buy one, which one would you suggest me to buy?
and when should i add it?
many thanks

 

[cranberry]

And you understand I said the structure on the top and the bottom of the tank is included in the dimensions? Studying math you must realize you do not have all the values needed to appropriately guessimate the gallonage of the tank. That's why you should trust them. They have all the values.
Where would you be putting this fish while the ordered tank was being cycled?
I would buy small. A larger fish is harder to convert, if they aren't already. They are harder to transport and a tank has a hard time of "absorbing" that much fish all at once. That's like dumping 20 anthias in your tank all on the same day.
I have no idea where you are on your stocking decision, so I'm not saying a lion is or isn't appropriate.

 

[skate020]

yeh i know, but what im saying is, the tank maker will give a little bit of leverage on the tank size for money reasons, if they say it is say 460liters, and you put 460 liters in, and the tank cracks due to amounts of pressure, you could get some money out of them for false advertisement. but if they say like 440liters, and then you put in 460 and it cracks, not much you can do about it, if you understand wat i mean?
i understand there is the base and top in that, but i doubt its 20g worth.
also, i havent bought any fish yet and nor am i going to untill i have got the tank up and running, then when i get the tank, i'll buy a fish, because then whilst the tank is cycling, the fish can be in the QT. then after a month and a half or so, the fish will be ready to add.
and with the lion, i havent added/bought any fish yet. im just wondering if the lion should be one of the first, or last fish i add. i understand you know everything needed to know about these fish.
ok, i'll go for a little one and let it grow
i've worked out that that tank is about $840, if anyone can find me a 6' tank with filter/sump nd lights for that price, i'll be happy to consider it instead.

 

[cranberry]

Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3168765
yeh i know, but what im saying is, the tank maker will give a little bit of leverage on the tank size for money reasons, if they say it is say 460liters, and you put 460 liters in, and the tank cracks due to amounts of pressure, you could get some money out of them for false advertisement. but if they say like 440liters, and then you put in 460 and it cracks, not much you can do about it, if you understand wat i mean?
i understand there is the base and top in that, but i doubt its 20g worth.
Where would you ever get this idea from? I'm sorry, but that is one of the craziest assumptions I have ever heard. I honestly mean no offense. In this hobby, they generally imply the tanks are bigger than the water they hold. Those JBJ 12g tanks... they physically hold 8 and change.... the other sizes follow suit.

 

[skate020]

its general marketing.
if someone sells a tank and claims it can hold 460litres. baring in mind after every metre in depth its about 1/4 atmosphere of pressure build up. the glass is going to be under some emmense strain, if they say it can hold 440lites, but know that it can hold 460, then if someone does by chance put 460 litres in, and then the tank cracks, they cant be held responsible for it, where as if they stated it could hold 460l and then it cracked, they could held liable for the damage cause to the home/tank/fish involved. so wat im saying is the tank im gettin claims its 460litres. but im convinced it could hold 480litres maybe more.
anyway enough of this. we are argueing a totally pointless matter lol.
sorry.
anyways, yes, i understand ou are very knowledgeable of lions, if i buy a small one, should i add it before other fish, after certain fish or watever?
here is the stocklist:
1x blueface angel (or 2x dwarf angels)
1x juvi. snowflake eel
1x sailfin/purple tang
1x maroon clown
1x volitan lionfish.
bare in mind i have not got any of these fish, will not get any for about another month or 2. so yeh im just trying to get the vague idea so.
i just wanna make sure with this tank, its all good.

 

[cranberry]

Good Luck.

 

[btldreef]

I have to agree with Cranberry, the size of the tank is what the company making it is telling you.
a 4ft deep tank is not a good idea for saltwater, it's really a tropical/freshwater setup. If you want a large angel, you need a 6' tank, period.
Where in England are you located?

 

[skate020]

ok, lols.
when i get the tank ima do a test to see. but obv, rocks and stand and stuff will take up alort of volume, anyways.
im in brighton.
south of england, sussex.
i've tried to look around but i havent got the first ideaof where to look, google isnt very goodfor this stuff.

 

[btldreef]

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yeh my tank got infected with ich, i put my fish into a QT in hypo salinity, S.G at 1.009, when you do it, you can put the fish STRAIGHT into the 1.009S.G, but you have to slowly get it up when the ick is gone, the fish's system can go into hypo immediately, but it cant come out immediately.
ps, wat are the dimensions of the tank? blueface shouldnt be kept in a tank under 6 foot, it may get very aggresive and stressed out otherwise, could be the reason, they love there swimming space.
also, how is the blueface, i might get one fr when my 150g is set up.
is it a nice fish?
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You posted this as a recommendation for someone else, so why are you asking us if you can do it in a 4' tank? Just curious. If you're telling other people they can't do it, why do you think you can?
Anyways, look on Craigslist. I'll do a little research this week

 

[skate020]

i was going to suggest watever it was i got told, obv anything less then 6' is a no, so if i cant get a 6'im not going to get one.
that why if you look above i said if the large angel cant go i wont get it.
and i was just trying to give advise given to me by you to other members of the forum.
and when i put that it was before i got an answer to that.
ok i'll look around

 

[skate020]

i found this website, custom aquariums in the UK, should be cheaper considering its bare aquariums, can get sumps and stuff from there too, check it out and tell me what you think?
http://www.acaquatics.co.uk/bare_aqu...e_aquarium.htm

 

[skate020]

i was looking on this website and i found a 72" (6') x 18" (1.5') x 18" for £172, thats like $220. its a custom aquarium builder in the north of england
also they'll do a cabinet to go with it for an extra £300, im not sure whether to get that cabinet, or to build my own? i want it fairly short, i think its 42"for the cabinet and tank in height i want it to be, otherwise it gets in the way of my window (no direct sunlight so it wont mess with the heating) so yeh.