stocklist for a 100g

[btldreef]

Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3168841
i was looking on this website and i found a 72" (6') x 18" (1.5') x 18" for £172, thats like $220. its a custom aquarium builder in the north of england
also they'll do a cabinet to go with it for an extra £300, im not sure whether to get that cabinet, or to build my own? i want it fairly short, i think its 42"for the cabinet and tank in height i want it to be, otherwise it gets in the way of my window (no direct sunlight so it wont mess with the heating) so yeh.
It depends. If they make custom tanks, they probably also can adjust the stand size. We made the stand for our last two tanks. They're easy to make as long as you build them strong. We used lots of two by fours. I can take pics for you if you decide to go that route. Ours is on an uneven floor so it's attached to the wall and leveled out that way along with shims, very solid design. When building your own, you just have to keep in mind how heavy the tank is by itself and the water. People underestimate how heavy saltwater is per gallon.
I definitely think you should go with a 6 foot long. You seem to really really want larger fish, especially the larger angel and I just don't think you're going to be happy with a shorter tank that limits you. My 155 is 6' long, 28" high, 18" wide .. I think, but that sounds right off the top of my head. I wouldn't completely stress about the height of the stand, you're going to need a step stool or ladder either way when you want to get to the bottom of the tank. I have short arms and can not reach the bottom of my tank standing on a chair and reaching in, my husband can. When deciding how high you want the stand, go more by what's pleasing to the eye.
Sumps are VERY easy and inexpensive to make so that wouldn't be the make or break for me if I was trying to decide on a tank. Even a pre-made sump really isn't so bad in price.
I'm assuming since you're getting a custom tank that you'll probably need a hang on the back overflow setup? The Eshopps one is very reliable, I have one on my 155G now and used one on my 40G as well and they're faily inexpensive. You're better off going with a dual set up and a stronger pump so that you have water movement.

 

[skate020]

yeh i think i will go for this 6' tank. the only reason i want it is because i adore the large angels lol.
do you think it is wise for me to get it a lil bit higher? i can go to 24" high without changeing the thickness of the glass so untill then its not that much more expensive.
i emailed the guy of that earlier to see how much this stuff was so i should get a price on it all sometime today/tomorrow im not sure.
yes i need an overflow. and since my 25g was run on internal equipment, could you give me a breifing on installing the sump, and how to get the right flow so that like there isnt more water being pumped into the sump then wat is coming out.
im going to add some powerheads, i found a manufacturer from hong kong (cheapo but works) twin head 1,589 gallons per hour powerhead, how many of them will be enough flow for the tank? obv. i dont want a massive hole in the sand in one spot where theres too much flow lols.
and with the cabinet size, i know it to do with the eye which is why i want it short lol, you see, in where this tank is going theres about 5' of pure wall then a window, and i dont want it like in front of the window because that'll look about odd, the window ledge is 43" above from the floor so i get the tank and cabinet to equal 42" then it'll look fine and still got enough space for a sump.
btw, the window doesnt have direct sunlight, the view from it is a fence, so it wont mess with temperature.
i'll have a look on some website for a hang on the back overflow, see wat i can find
also, could you suggest how strong the return pump should be?

 

[skate020]

also, now im gettin a 6'long tank i can adjust my stocklist slightly? not much, just slightly:
1x blueface
1x another angel? (or is that pushing it abit?)
1x volitan
1x sailfin tang
1x maroon
1x snowflake
and maybe 1x dogface?
please banter me if im pushing it.
and for my QT, my chromis have been under hypo for about 3 days now, shall i start upping the S.G in there with the water changes?

 

[btldreef]

Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3169083
yeh i think i will go for this 6' tank. the only reason i want it is because i adore the large angels lol.
do you think it is wise for me to get it a lil bit higher? i can go to 24" high without changeing the thickness of the glass so untill then its not that much more expensive.
i emailed the guy of that earlier to see how much this stuff was so i should get a price on it all sometime today/tomorrow im not sure.
I would get at least that height. While it is true that you need a long tank, a little height is needed as well.
yes i need an overflow. and since my 25g was run on internal equipment, could you give me a breifing on installing the sump, and how to get the right flow so that like there isnt more water being pumped into the sump then wat is coming out. Just pay attention to what the overflow is rated for and then buy the proper pump to go along with it. Sometimes you can get an overflow/pump/sump setup all in one. It's usually easier to do this.
im going to add some powerheads, i found a manufacturer from hong kong (cheapo but works) twin head 1,589 gallons per hour powerhead, how many of them will be enough flow for the tank? obv. i dont want a massive hole in the sand in one spot where theres too much flow lols. Save yourself the hassle and get Koralias. I've tried every other powerhead in the book, they're just good paperweights.
and with the cabinet size, i know it to do with the eye which is why i want it short lol, you see, in where this tank is going theres about 5' of pure wall then a window, and i dont want it like in front of the window because that'll look about odd, the window ledge is 43" above from the floor so i get the tank and cabinet to equal 42" then it'll look fine and still got enough space for a sump. Keep in mind that you need to fit a protein skimmer under this tank either in the sump, or next to it (I highly recommend and insump skimmer).
btw, the window doesnt have direct sunlight, the view from it is a fence, so it wont mess with temperature.
i'll have a look on some website for a hang on the back overflow, see wat i can find
also, could you suggest how strong the return pump should be? see above

Anyways, here's how my 155 is set up, I'll try to take pics of the sump/overflow tonight.
I have a 40 G sump. The return pump is a Pondmaster Mag Drive 7. We have the return line split in two so that there is two outlets for the water in the tank. Since the pump only does 650-675 gallons per hour, I only have a single overflow that is rated to be able to handle up to 900 gallons per hour. This on it's own is not enough flow for the tank, especially since mine is a reef setup, so I also have two Koralia 4's. I would like to upgrade the pump/overflow, but it's really not needed with the two powerheads added to the water movement. I run a ASM G3 skimmer with an upgraded pump sedra 7000 pump. You're going to need a powerful skimmer like this in an all fish tank.

 

[btldreef]

Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3169086
also, now im gettin a 6'long tank i can adjust my stocklist slightly? not much, just slightly:
1x blueface
1x another angel? (or is that pushing it abit?)
1x volitan
1x sailfin tang
1x maroon
1x snowflake
and maybe 1x dogface?
please banter me if im pushing it.
and for my QT, my chromis have been under hypo for about 3 days now, shall i start upping the S.G in there with the water changes?
There are many people that do two angels in a 6 foot long tank. The question is, how many gallons is it?
I personally would leave them in hypo a little longer.

 

[skate020]

its a 130g, that with the 24" height, which is wat im going to go for, compareing the prices its worth it.
ok, i've got 1of them already, but i'll just get a couple koralia 4's aswell,
and i've worked out a plan to re arrange stuff so the tank doesnt have to be near the window. therefore can be however tall it wants.
i realised that the small skimmer would make it too much of a specific search lols, i want a insump skimmer, but if i cant get one i'll settle for a like v600 or something, the big hang on ones.
i'll keep them under hypo untill its been a week in there then i'll start raising the salinity.
ok, marine is that big around here, pond and all coldwater is massive out here, so i'll look at the pond returns cos there'll be alot cheaper.
and because obv. i want 2 angels, i want to make swimming space as large as poss, so instead of having just a pile of LR the hole way across the tank, i wanna have 2 mounds of LR on either side of the tank, gives them plenty of swim space.
and i got the email back from the tank makers, £300 for the cabinet, and then £207 for the bigger tank, then £55 for delivery, bargain tbh. £562 for it all, then i'll get some lights and stuff
will have to run the rank on like 4 lil filters for about a week untill i get a sump, but there wont be anything in there so it wont really matter.
i may have to improve my aquascaping for this tank tho :L
also, wat should i do for a CUC with this tank?
the only fish that is really aggresive to that stuff is the dogface, and so i dno whether i'll get one. im not too bothered about it.
should i make sure everything in there CUC wise is fairly big?
or just scrap the CUC and do it allmanually?

 

[btldreef]

Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3169148
its a 130g, that with the 24" height, which is wat im going to go for, compareing the prices its worth it. Sounds good

ok, i've got 1of them already, but i'll just get a couple koralia 4's aswell, you might only need one if you have another powerhead already, start with one and see how the water movement looks for your
and i've worked out a plan to re arrange stuff so the tank doesnt have to be near the window. therefore can be however tall it wants. Great
i realised that the small skimmer would make it too much of a specific search lols, i want a insump skimmer, but if i cant get one i'll settle for a like v600 or something, the big hang on ones. I highly recommend and insump skimmer. Trust me, if you ever have a skimmer overflow onto your floor, you'll kick yourself for not having an insump skimmer. Atleast if it overflows you don't have crap all over your floor.
i'll keep them under hypo untill its been a week in there then i'll start raising the salinity. Sounds like a plan. You're going to keep them in the QT still, right?
ok, marine is that big around here, pond and all coldwater is massive out here, so i'll look at the pond returns cos there'll be alot cheaper. I think you misunderstood. The company name of my pump is Pond Master and the model is the Mag 7. It can be used for either fresh water or saltwater, it's just a pump. They're very common in the states, I'm sure they probably are over there as well. I'd go with something like that or something similar to that.
and because obv. i want 2 angels, i want to make swimming space as large as poss, so instead of having just a pile of LR the hole way across the tank, i wanna have 2 mounds of LR on either side of the tank, gives them plenty of swim space.
and i got the email back from the tank makers, £300 for the cabinet, and then £207 for the bigger tank, then £55 for delivery, bargain tbh. £562 for it all, then i'll get some lights and stuff Definitely a bargain
will have to run the rank on like 4 lil filters for about a week untill i get a sump, but there wont be anything in there so it wont really matter. Why don't you just get all the things you need, then start up the tank and cycle it, then buy the fish you want to put in there. Take your time.
i may have to improve my aquascaping for this tank tho :L
also, wat should i do for a CUC with this tank?
the only fish that is really aggresive to that stuff is the dogface, and so i dno whether i'll get one. im not too bothered about it. If you want two angels, I think the dogface might me too much. Also, with the Lionfish, a CUC will be difficult. You really should ask Cranberry on this one. Look through some FOWLR tank threads and see what people use as a CUC. I'm sure some larger turbos would be okay, BUT I'm really not positive, I'm a reef person.
should i make sure everything in there CUC wise is fairly big?
or just scrap the CUC and do it allmanually?

Good luck

 

[skate020]

ahhh ok lols, i'll have a look and one of them pond masters thens.
yeh ok, i need a few $$$ for christmas presents so the tank may be empty of a month. maybe not tho. i can try get some more hours working, with my college any everything i get about 2 days a week working, with the holidays i may be able to turn that into 5 or so
ok yeh, dogface im not that worried about, i just thought they looks cool lols. i got a ton of baby turbo's in my tank atm, i think my bred. i just randomly found aload of TINYY ones lols, so i'll let them groww and put it in
and yehh cranberry if you could help me on this one would be much appreciated
ok, i'll search around for a insump skimmer, should be ok to get one, i can ask my LFS to order me one from the biggest marine company in the UK, all the shops are here get all their stock from this place called 'Tropical Marine Centre', they make sure every fish is caught with no harm to the fish and that all fish are in top quality condition before sales. and if i went to the LFS and asked them to order me a say annularis angel, they would (which might be on my fish list, its besides the annularis, and the emp)
which i could also do with the sump
thank you for all the help, i'll keep posting on what equipment i plan on getting and so on

 

[cranberry]

A lionfish will leave your standard CUC alone. I can't think of anything "normal" they would try to munch on.

 

[skate020]

thanks
so the usually soreta:
10x turbo snails
10x nass. snails
10x blue leg hermits
10x red leg hermits
2x sand sifting star
2or 3x emrald crab
2x cleaner shrimp
that'll be cool for the fish? the lion is probs the most aggresive one in there, i know that the eels tend not to go for CUC
does that sound like a decent CUC for a tank that size? or will i need more?
also, how much LR will i need?

 

[cranberry]

Lions aren't aggressive. Your hermits will probably be more aggressive than a lion.
I really don't use any of those for my CUC besides the snails, so I can't comment on them. 10 turbos is too many. Get some film algae eating snails.
I really only start with film algae eaters and nassarius because I know I'll have food for them to eat.

 

[skate020]

ahhhhh ok thankss
i'll just stick with 5 turbo's then, and like 10 nassarius, then maybe a sea hare or something?
also cranberry,
because me 25g is becoming a QT, my 10g is gna be empty, so i might set up a lil aggresive, like a FuManChu and a angler. is that ok for it? i know the FuMunchu is probs the smallest lion at a max of 3.9" but still 10g is small. so is the tank too small?
if it is i might set up a RBTA clwonfish tank, obv i'll leave it for 6months but still,
or a musk turtle tank lols.
i know its off topic but i just want your opinion on it

 

[calbert0]

the 10G will be too small. Lions are messy eaters and produce lots of bioload. (even the small ones). Also, regardless of the bioload, once it is full grown a dwarf lion will be too big for the 10G.
The absolute smallest tank i would be comforatble putting a dwarf lion would be a 30G.
You could possibly think about plumbing the 10gallon into the larger system and making it a species tank for some sweet looking invert. (just an idea)

 

[skate020]

hmmm yeh maybe, wat about that barbi lion or something?
the one about the size of a fingernail.
if not i might just go for a angler tank, i know cranberry has a 10g painted angler tank.
i was going to put a musk turtle in there, but i cba with the freshwater. hmmm i might even just stick a couple of clowns in there.
thanks for the reply

 

[skate020]

i drip acclimated the chromis into the DT because its been about a month fishless now except mandy so should be ICH free, if it isnt then i'll do copper treating, taking out the inverts, do i need to remove LR whilst treating with copper?

 

[btldreef]

Cranberry, correct me if I'm wrong, but won't Lionfish eat the shrimp in the tank, especially the skunk cleaner shrimp?
Anyways, why did you put your fish back into the DT? You hadn't upped the SG over a couple days. The last I knew you were keeping it down 'til the end of the week and then gradually increasing the SG back up to that of your DT. What you did is super stressful to your fish. You wouldn't have to worry about copper treating if you had just left them in QT for the proper amount of time. Just saying.
In the 10G tank, I'd do clowns. Keep it simple. Why not do a nano reef with a RBTA and two clowns? I love my 14G nano reef.

 

[skate020]

yehh maybe, well, im not to bothered about the fish, i mean, there supper for the lion eventually anyways, i just wanted to see if after a couple of days they'll get ich again. i trip acclimated it so its not as bad as just chucking them in.
in the first place im not to sure whether it was ICH, the fish were itching against the rocks, but not 1 had a white spot. the fish have been in a couple hours and are doing fine, and the cleaner shrimp will probs get munched at some point along the way, if the fish do start itching, ima copper it,because i want that 25g for a QT anyway, so if its got ICH then its not a great QT lols, still need to get a UV sterilizer for it tho.
yehh i may do that with the 10g, if i use dry sand, and base rock, there'll be no cycle, and if i use the water from my DT, i wont have to wait 6 months? it'll just be simplyglass and rock in there, no cycling
and after i recalulated how long the fish had been in it was 6days and about 12hours, so may aswell been a week. and im busy tomorrow so cant do it then.
and yehh if i go with the clown nd anemone idea i'll get a couple RBTA's and wat clowns should i get? B/W, ocellaris,true perc, or something like that?
if i can do the dwarf lion idea i will cos i'd rather that, but if the tanks too small i'll go with the clowns

 

[calbert0]

Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3169838
yehh i may do that with the 10g, if i use dry sand, and base rock, there'll be no cycle,
WRONG. The second you introduce a source of ammonia into that tank the cycle will begin.
So if you put a fish in the tank, it will produce waste, the ammonia will rise and there will be no bacteria to consume it. (fish dies) You need to introduce ammonia into the tank to get the cycle going and establish the bacteria that consume and convert fish waste into less toxic compounds.

 

[cranberry]

Originally Posted by BTLDreef
http:///forum/post/3169827
Cranberry, correct me if I'm wrong, but won't Lionfish eat the shrimp in the tank, especially the skunk cleaner shrimp?
Yup, But I don't consider shrimp to be a part of a CUC.... that's why I said "standard" CUC. There are no shrimp I would put in a tank with the expectations of them "cleaning it up".

 

[btldreef]

Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3169898
Yup, But I don't consider shrimp to be a part of a CUC.... that's why I said "standard" CUC. There are no shrimp I would put in a tank with the expectations of them "cleaning it up".
Yes, but he Skate listed it in his CUC. I just wanted to double check this. I really don't know much about lions so I can only go by what I've read.