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bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/400#post_3316587
By calling the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, you are therefore agreeing we are a Christian nation. Just want to make this point clear. You are also agreeing that we are a nation of laws based on Christianity. Is this so. if not, then those wars are not religious wars. So which is it?
No, I asked which amendments in the constitution conflict with Christianity. Abortion is not an amendment, 21st does not conflict as it gives the right to prohibition to state and local powers, and don't ask don't tell is military law, separate from constitutional law since the military is not under constitutional jurisdiction. So of all the amendments in the constitution, which ones go against Christianity?
Rubin was just pointing out you r complaining about christians imposing their views and beliefs on you, while you do the same thing. He never stated he didn't do this.....
You may not support the cigarette tax (and I highly doubt you talk with lots of smokers about price since they are now over 7 dollars in most places) but YOU DID SUPPORT THE "HEALTH/SUGAR TAX". what is the difference?
So, you didn't apy your owed taxes ios what you are saying?. You violated the law and with held moneys due the state? You are a tax fraud? You did not pay in your share to help maintain roads? Yet you want the tax rate to go up on other people....Ironic.
Darth (I doubt you didnt pay the taxes and got away with it) Tang
Say what? What do the religious tensions and conflicts in Afghan and Iraq have to do with US religious beliefs? That comment made no sense. The whole premise of us staying in those countries is to help them protect their new 'Democracy'. We aren't telling them what religion to practice, it's none of our business. I never said this country's principles and values weren't based on Christianity, I just don't agree with Christian beliefs dictating what laws can be created for the ENTIRE populas of the US. You want to go waste your Sunday sitting there listening to some blowhard tell you how to run your life, then on the back side steal 10% or more of your hard-earned cash to fill his pockets, knock yourself out. Just don't tell me I have to do the same.
Abortion and being Gay is considered a Freedom of Expression. That 'freedom' has always indirectly been tied to the 1st Amendment, even though it isn't explicitedly written there.
What Health/Sugar Tax are you talking about? When did I support that? That was some nutjob in NY promoting that to try and curb obesity, which it appears most Americans can't do. People want to stuff their faces with every fatty/sugary food known to man, blow up like stuffed pigs, then complain they don't feel good and their health insurance should cover Lap Band surgey so they can get fit again just to start the fat cycle all over. Does the law usurp your privileges as Americans? Sure it does. But some laws are created because Americans are too stupid or ignorant to see the "Writing On The Wall", and they need someone to force them to do tthe right thing. I'd like to pop open a beer while I'm cruising down the road. It's my privilege to do that if I want. Why should there be a law to tell me I can't drink a beer while driving? If someone eats so much sugar that it rots all their teeth out, they have to go to a dentist to get them fixed. If enough people do it, insurance companies will raise ALL our rates because of all these sugar eaters. What's the difference?
The taxes were for the county, not the State. When I moved there, I was never informed when I registered my vehicles and boat that I would be assessed property taxes on those items simply because they were registered in Dallas County. If I had known that, I would have never registered them in Dallas, therefiore I would've never been assessed the taxes. I wouldn't have broken any laws, because Texas doesn't require you to register your vehicle in the County you live in. As long as it's registered somewhere in the State Of Texas, the sticker is good for the entire state. I actually have several friends who live in Dallas that do the same thing. Again, another stupid revenue generator for Dallas. No other County or City in the State of Texas does this that I know of.
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/420#post_3316610
Say what? What do the religious tensions and conflicts in Afghan and Iraq have to do with US religious beliefs? That comment made no sense. The whole premise of us staying in those countries is to help them protect their new 'Democracy'. We aren't telling them what religion to practice, it's none of our business. I never said this country's principles and values weren't based on Christianity, I just don't agree with Christian beliefs dictating what laws can be created for the ENTIRE populas of the US. You want to go waste your Sunday sitting there listening to some blowhard tell you how to run your life, then on the back side steal 10% or more of your hard-earned cash to fill his pockets, knock yourself out. Just don't tell me I have to do the same.
Abortion and being Gay is considered a Freedom of Expression. That 'freedom' has always indirectly been tied to the 1st Amendment, even though it isn't explicitedly written there.
What Health/Sugar Tax are you talking about? When did I support that? That was some nutjob in NY promoting that to try and curb obesity, which it appears most Americans can't do. People want to stuff their faces with every fatty/sugary food known to man, blow up like stuffed pigs, then complain they don't feel good and their health insurance should cover Lap Band surgey so they can get fit again just to start the fat cycle all over. Does the law usurp your privileges as Americans? Sure it does. But some laws are created because Americans are too stupid or ignorant to see the "Writing On The Wall", and they need someone to force them to do tthe right thing. I'd like to pop open a beer while I'm cruising down the road. It's my privilege to do that if I want. Why should there be a law to tell me I can't drink a beer while driving? If someone eats so much sugar that it rots all their teeth out, they have to go to a dentist to get them fixed. If enough people do it, insurance companies will raise ALL our rates because of all these sugar eaters. What's the difference?
The taxes were for the county, not the State. When I moved there, I was never informed when I registered my vehicles and boat that I would be assessed property taxes on those items simply because they were registered in Dallas County. If I had known that, I would have never registered them in Dallas, therefiore I would've never been assessed the taxes. I wouldn't have broken any laws, because Texas doesn't require you to register your vehicle in the County you live in. As long as it's registered somewhere in the State Of Texas, the sticker is good for the entire state. I actually have several friends who live in Dallas that do the same thing. Again, another stupid revenue generator for Dallas. No other County or City in the State of Texas does this that I know of.
1. You called those wars religious wars.....now they aren't, you change "points" to your stance like foster parents change kids.
2. Abortion is considered expression? You don't even know the clause the ruling was protected under. Once again, the military is not governed under the constitution as we are. Don't as Don't tell does not apply...get this through your head.
3. So you now defend a sugar tax? Is that how I read it? How is this any different than your hated "sin" tax or membership fee? You never do answer this.
4. Ignorance of the law and regulations does not absolve you from guilty in the eyes of the court. So yes, you are a law breaker and tax cheat. Want a job running the treasury?
 

reefraff

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Religious people base their morals on their religious beliefs. Non religious people base their morals on something else. So what? I have never heard a nationally supported candidate try to make a law to force you or anyone else to follow their religion. People oppose abortion on grounds other than religion. Just like there are a lot of secular folk who oppose the death penalty.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/420#post_3316633
1. You called those wars religious wars.....now they aren't, you change "points" to your stance like foster parents change kids.
2. Abortion is considered expression? You don't even know the clause the ruling was protected under. Once again, the military is not governed under the constitution as we are. Don't as Don't tell does not apply...get this through your head.
3. So you now defend a sugar tax? Is that how I read it? How is this any different than your hated "sin" tax or membership fee? You never do answer this.
4. Ignorance of the law and regulations does not absolve you from guilty in the eyes of the court. So yes, you are a law breaker and tax cheat. Want a job running the treasury?
When did I say they weren't religious wars? Either put on some glasses, or take your meds.
Now you're stuck on "Gon't Ask Don't Tell". What about gays NOT in the military? Guess they don't count. Abortion - a woman's RIGHT to do what she wants to do withe her body. Isn't that a freedom?
You love trying to stick words in my mouth. Do I support it? No. Do I see why someone would want to legislate it? Yes. All I have to do is walk around Fat Antonio and look at all the chicas who stuff their mouths with tacos, tortillas, and burritos all day. Like I said, certain laws are created because the citizens in this country are too stupid to do what's logical or smart. Just like I have no problem with them craeting a law to stop texting and talking on cell phones while driving. People are too ignoant to understand how dangerous that habit is, and are self-centered asses that only think about themselves.
It isn't a law moron. If you don't pay your property taxes on your house, the worse they can do is put a lien on it. I've never seen anyone get thrown in jail for tax evasion because they didn't pay their property taxes. Ignorance of the law? When you move all around the country like you apparently do, do you look up and read EVERY single law that's specific to that area before you move there? Give me a frickin break. You just love to argue for the sake of it. Apparently I wasn't, nor is the THOUSANDS of people who get around this law "guilty in the eyes of the court" or a "law breaker and tax cheat". Never paid the bill, and no one came after me. IT'S SPECIFIC TO DALLAS COUNTY. IT'S NOT A STATEWIDE TAX MANDATE. The only reason I got the notice is because I did the honest thing and registered my cars at my new address. The only reason I did that is because I didn't want to have to drive to San Antonio to renew my tags. If I would've left my registration at my address I had in San Antonio, and had my mail forwarded my mail to Dallas, I WOULD'VE NEVER BEEN PUT ON THE TAX RECORDS IN DALLAS. CAN YOU READ THAT WITH YOUR GLASSES OFF? Come on, come up with some other smart ass retort that makes no sense. You're an expert at it.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/420#post_3316728
When did I say they weren't religious wars? Either put on some glasses, or take your meds.
Now you're stuck on "Gon't Ask Don't Tell". What about gays NOT in the military? Guess they don't count. Abortion - a woman's RIGHT to do what she wants to do withe her body. Isn't that a freedom?
You love trying to stick words in my mouth. Do I support it? No. Do I see why someone would want to legislate it? Yes. All I have to do is walk around Fat Antonio and look at all the chicas who stuff their mouths with tacos, tortillas, and burritos all day. Like I said, certain laws are created because the citizens in this country are too stupid to do what's logical or smart. Just like I have no problem with them craeting a law to stop texting and talking on cell phones while driving. People are too ignoant to understand how dangerous that habit is, and are self-centered asses that only think about themselves.
It isn't a law moron. If you don't pay your property taxes on your house, the worse they can do is put a lien on it. I've never seen anyone get thrown in jail for tax evasion because they didn't pay their property taxes. Ignorance of the law? When you move all around the country like you apparently do, do you look up and read EVERY single law that's specific to that area before you move there? Give me a frickin break. You just love to argue for the sake of it. Apparently I wasn't, nor is the THOUSANDS of people who get around this law "guilty in the eyes of the court" or a "law breaker and tax cheat". Never paid the bill, and no one came after me. IT'S SPECIFIC TO DALLAS COUNTY. IT'S NOT A STATEWIDE TAX MANDATE. The only reason I got the notice is because I did the honest thing and registered my cars at my new address. The only reason I did that is because I didn't want to have to drive to San Antonio to renew my tags. If I would've left my registration at my address I had in San Antonio, and had my mail forwarded my mail to Dallas, I WOULD'VE NEVER BEEN PUT ON THE TAX RECORDS IN DALLAS. CAN YOU READ THAT WITH YOUR GLASSES OFF? Come on, come up with some other smart ass retort that makes no sense. You're an expert at it.
Abortion: Why is it a woman can end the life of her baby and it's a matter between her and her doctor yet if someone with terminal cancer can't ask their doctor to help them end their suffering, also numerous medical treatments and drugs are prohibited. Why isn't that a matter between a person and their doctor?
A school can't give a child an aspirin without parental permission but in several states they can drive a child to Planned Parenthood for an abortion and the parents never have to be told. What about parent's rights?
You haven't ever heard of a tax sale on property for back taxes?
I have to pay property taxes on our motor vehicles here in Colorado and there are other states that charge it too.
 

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/400#post_3316471
Fishtaco, I agree with you about the third (brewsters millions) Option. But then w might end up with a government with no leadership for a long time...lol.
Which amendment in the Constitution conflicts with Christianity? You said the far-right Christians would not be against subverting the Constitution if it contradicts with their religious views....give me an example of this being possible.
Darth that question is too easy, Bush supported by turd blossom decided to ensure the far-right vote by trying to amend the Constitution and ban same-sex marriage. Huckabee while running for president said he did not have a problem with changing the Constitution to reflect a more Chrisitan nation. Not the constitution but related etc. Rummy presented reports on Iraq to Bush with bible quotes on the cover and Palin is on U-Tube proclaiming Iraq is God's war. Should I go on?
 

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/400#post_3316433
You're advocating what you're accusing christians of doing? You're saying it is "we the people (except christians)" Last I checked, that view is the view of the herd, while mine is not... Watch any TV lately? See the prez not quote "by our creator"?
My post suggested no such thing and you really addressed none of the issues, but please go to U-Tube and watch the Jesus Camp clip where the children are forced to worship a cardboard figure of Bush and get back to me. LOL
Fishtaco
 

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/420#post_3316687
Religious people base their morals on their religious beliefs. Non religious people base their morals on something else. So what? I have never heard a nationally supported candidate try to make a law to force you or anyone else to follow their religion. People oppose abortion on grounds other than religion. Just like there are a lot of secular folk who oppose the death penalty.
Reef hit the history books, again I will site Bush trying to get the far-right vote by adding a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage, that was done for 100% percent religious reasons and there is no wiggle room. Now go ahead and put a conservative spin on it and defend it as something else, I double dog dare you.
Fishttaco
 

bang guy

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That was a pretty stupid reason to try changing the Constitution wasn't it. I can assure you that no real conservative would suggest changing the constitution on a whim like that.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/420#post_3316803
My post suggested no such thing and you really addressed none of the issues, but please go to U-Tube and watch the Jesus Camp clip where the children are forced to worship a cardboard figure of Bush and get back to me. LOL
Fishtaco
There you go again, maybe you are that dumb and can't understand that it has nothing to do with one post and not the whole thread...
Although I do thank you however, I know have a better understanding the vitriol and hate surrounding Palin. It isn't so much policy as much as it is your personal prejudices. It has been quite informative. (a completely genuine statement)
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/420#post_3316728
When did I say they weren't religious wars? Either put on some glasses, or take your meds.
Now you're stuck on "Gon't Ask Don't Tell". What about gays NOT in the military? Guess they don't count. Abortion - a woman's RIGHT to do what she wants to do withe her body. Isn't that a freedom?
So then the U.S. is a Christian nation?
I didn't bring up, don't ask don't tell...You did. And Gays do serve in the Military. Just like no one ever brings up your hated dry counties, but every chance you get, you do...even though they are constitutional.
 

darthtang aw

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Let me see if I get this straight. You guys are saying christians should have no place in Government, and basically the reason for many of our problems in this great nation?
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/420#post_3316806
Reef hit the history books, again I will site Bush trying to get the far-right vote by adding a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage, that was done for 100% percent religious reasons and there is no wiggle room. Now go ahead and put a conservative spin on it and defend it as something else, I double dog dare you.
Fishttaco
Exactly what religion would a ban on gay marriage follow, Christianity, Mormonism, Judaism or Islam?
And you have never heard of anyone who opposes gay marriage based on something besides religion? You've obviously lead a very sheltered life.
 
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