Tea Party Movement

fishtaco

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What does that mean Spanko? I gave my thoughts on the Tea Party and would love for someone to explain how some Tea Party people will threaten armed violence to preserve the Constitution while Democrats are in power, yet have no problem changing it to reflect their views once they get the power to do so.
 
Fishtaco(you all know by now I am not a conservative)
 
spanko

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Means I agree with those two statements sir. I will also add that there are decepticons (deceptive conservatives )that need to go by being voted out also.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/40#post_3310178
 
You can walk into your City Councilman's office and talk directly to him/her? That's a surprise. I've tried several times with my District Councilperson and the mayor, and could never get in the door. However, both my State Representative and Congressional Senator have had roundtable discussions either on a massive conference call, or at Town hall meetings at least twice in the last six months.
 
Letting 50 different states solely manage every needed resource to sustain their state isn't plausible. Where do you think California would be right now if they didn't get Federal assistance? You want to live in this "It's Me And My Money" kind of world, and screw everyone else that lives outside your little domain. Residents of California lose water rights, electrical power, disaster assistance, basic emergency needs? Sucks to be them. Now give me the "Well if they don't like the state they live in, they can move" mantra. Like I said about that, it would cost me THOUSANDS of dollars to pack up and move to another state, not to mention the loss of my business. It would take me a minimum of 20 years to recoup the losses, when I could just pay the extra 5% - 10% increases and stay put. That's one of the major things that has made the United States one of the most powerful and desireable places to live. Our government structure is designed so that we take care of our own. The majority of the people in this country wouldn't blink an eye at the notion of helping out another fellow American in a time of dire need (Katrina, Ike, Cali earthquakes, etc.) I guarantee you that you take for granted a myriad of Federal services that you don't even realize are being funded by the Feds. They've become so second natured that you wouldn't know how good you had it until the Feds 'pulled the plug' on those services when North Carolina seceeded from the nation. Give it a try. Let me know how it works out for you.
California would be far better off if not for the largess of the federal government. California is one of the states that sends much more to DC than they get back, about 80 cents on the dollar.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/40#post_3310198
Angle is the reason I can not get behind the Tea Party. Like I have said before, here is a perfect chance to get rid of a long term crook and here it comes, the Tea Party endorses someone like Angle who is unable to separate fiscal conservatism and far-right social conservatism and until that line is drawn I can not give them blanket support and O'Donnell is another good example of that. Angle did say that losing the election means it may be time to look into 2nd Amendment solutions, which means she does not support anything other than herself and those deluded enough to follow her and understands nothing about one of the things that keeps America great which is peaceful transfer of power.
 
Replacing one set of problems with another is not the answer I was hoping for, I would have been so happy if the Tea Party could have dropped the people who think Obama is a secret muslim, birther crowd/conspiracy crowd, the dominionist's, the rascists like my father-in-law who loves having Obama president as a cover to bring his rascist views to main street and anyone else who is not strictly interested in better government and honest politicians. They are giving the good people within the party a serious black eye and much fodder for MSNBC.
 
Oh yeah and if the Tea Party is actually independant, than maybe a little distance between anyone who works for FOX News would be another huge plus in getting average Americans to join.
 
Fishtaco
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
1) What Angle said was "The second amendment was put in place to allow the people keep a tyrannical government in check. I hope we are not heading in that direction". What's your issue with that statement?
 
2) Why don't the democrats drop their 9-11 truthers, RACISTS (I've met more democrat racists than Republican), communists and eco terrorists? Both sides get their kooks. I've seen damn little of birthers in the tea party movement and if there was any significant amount of racists we'd have photographic evidence by now. The Democrats and their media lackeys have been watching the tea party like hawks, where are the pictures.
 
3) I assume your Palin derangement syndrome is the reason for the Fox news comment. Why shouldn't the Tea Party associate with someone who is so popular that she's a paid analyst on the largest cable news network? The network pulls in more independent viewers than the other 2 combined and squared. Seems like good politics to me.
 
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/60#post_3310213
What does that mean Spanko? I gave my thoughts on the Tea Party and would love for someone to explain how some Tea Party people will threaten armed violence to preserve the Constitution while Democrats are in power, yet have no problem changing it to reflect their views once they get the power to do so.
 
Fishtaco(you all know by now I am not a conservative)
Again who made such a threat?
 
bionicarm

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One of the problems I have with the Tea Party movement is a majority of their members tend to overstate their religious beliefs, and want to bring more religion into governemnt. I think everyone here knows I'm not a religious person. I've seen first hand here in Texas how religion has dictated how I want to live my life, and spend my hard-earned money. Texas is losing billions in tax revenues because the religious-minded Legislators in our state think gambling and casinos are eeevil. Instead, Texans spend that money in Vegas, or take 6 hour bus rides across to the Lousiana border and spend their money in those states. In the Dallas area, the Southern Baptists rule the roost in the various City Councils, and that region is dotted with 'dry' areas where you can't by alcohol at your local liquor store, can't buy beer and wine at your local grocery store, and can't have an alcoholic drink at your local restaurant unless you purchase a "membership" that allows you to do so. I have no desire to have some politician tell me I can't do something because "God and the Bible says it's wrong". I have no problem with a woman having the right to do what they want with their body, but some religious fanatic tells me that "God says you're killing an innocent child" if a woman wants to have an abortion. You want to have limited government? No problems. Just keep your 'God, Guts, and Guns' out of my business.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/60#post_3310215
Means I agree with those two statements sir. I will also add that there are decepticons (deceptive conservatives )that need to go by being voted out also.
Wouldn't that by definition make them not conservative? That is the problem with people like Castle, they muddle the frackus claiming conservativism when they are nothing of the sort...
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/60#post_3310230
 
Wouldn't that by definition make them not conservative? That is the problem with people like Castle, they muddle the frackus claiming conservativism when they are nothing of the sort...
You need to remember though that conservatism is a sliding scale depending on what part of the country you live in. I went from being considered a conservative by my friends in Eugene to being considered a liberal where I live now just by moving 75 miles and to a different county and being in the "other" religious catagory.
 
Fishtaco
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/60#post_3310233
You need to remember though that conservatism is a sliding scale depending on what part of the country you live in. I went from being considered a conservative by my friends in Eugene to being considered a liberal where I live now just by moving 75 miles and to a different county and being in the "other" religious catagory.
 
Fishtaco
You're from Eugene? I have a friend from there? You know any schumachers. They have a air duct cleaning company.
 
Hey, I'm not quite serious about that statement. It is incredably vauge. There is no way quantify it. But I personally would use it as a litmus test. If they're a buncha slimey politicians (see rick perry) then not so much...
 
 
darthtang aw

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Bionic, I must ask a question. I have seen you complain about local government more than anything. I wonder though...as a successful business owner what have you done to try and change things?
 
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/60#post_3310228
One of the problems I have with the Tea Party movement is a majority of their members tend to overstate their religious beliefs, and want to bring more religion into governemnt. I think everyone here knows I'm not a religious person. I've seen first hand here in Texas how religion has dictated how I want to live my life, and spend my hard-earned money. Texas is losing billions in tax revenues because the religious-minded Legislators in our state think gambling and casinos are eeevil. Instead, Texans spend that money in Vegas, or take 6 hour bus rides across to the Lousiana border and spend their money in those states. In the Dallas area, the Southern Baptists rule the roost in the various City Councils, and that region is dotted with 'dry' areas where you can't by alcohol at your local liquor store, can't buy beer and wine at your local grocery store, and can't have an alcoholic drink at your local restaurant unless you purchase a "membership" that allows you to do so. I have no desire to have some politician tell me I can't do something because "God and the Bible says it's wrong". I have no problem with a woman having the right to do what they want with their body, but some religious fanatic tells me that "God says you're killing an innocent child" if a woman wants to have an abortion. You want to have limited government? No problems. Just keep your 'God, Guts, and Guns' out of my business.
There you go with your membership mantra again......yet you don't have a problem with purchasing gun licenses or hunting Lincenses....what is the difference...truly?
 
 
Religious beliefs...many here are tea party members...please show me those posts forcing religious views into politics? You claim to gather your news from unbiased sources other than radio and tv..yet you keep repeating the same things those liberal programs keeps stating.
 
The bible was the first law stating though shall not kill...you don't have a problem with this "religious" law.....
 
Your problem is the whole "me" mentallity....every post centers around YOU. any law that hinders YOU is bad....any law that benefits YOU is good....and others be damned....this is your whole outlook. You even state you vote for the guy that will benefit YOU. Not the country, not the nation, not the county,...BUT YOU.
 
reefraff

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/60#post_3310228
One of the problems I have with the Tea Party movement is a majority of their members tend to overstate their religious beliefs, and want to bring more religion into governemnt. I think everyone here knows I'm not a religious person. I've seen first hand here in Texas how religion has dictated how I want to live my life, and spend my hard-earned money. Texas is losing billions in tax revenues because the religious-minded Legislators in our state think gambling and casinos are eeevil. Instead, Texans spend that money in Vegas, or take 6 hour bus rides across to the Lousiana border and spend their money in those states. In the Dallas area, the Southern Baptists rule the roost in the various City Councils, and that region is dotted with 'dry' areas where you can't by alcohol at your local liquor store, can't buy beer and wine at your local grocery store, and can't have an alcoholic drink at your local restaurant unless you purchase a "membership" that allows you to do so. I have no desire to have some politician tell me I can't do something because "God and the Bible says it's wrong". I have no problem with a woman having the right to do what they want with their body, but some religious fanatic tells me that "God says you're killing an innocent child" if a woman wants to have an abortion. You want to have limited government? No problems. Just keep your 'God, Guts, and Guns' out of my business.
I don't really care about a person's religious views one way or another. Just want good people in office. My mom's family was all Southern Baptists so I know what you mean about them. Of course my dad's family is from the cache valley in Utah. I drove to Idaho on a Sunday to buy beer just so I could say I had to leave the state to get a drink.
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/60#post_3310221
 
1) What Angle said was "The second amendment was put in place to allow the people keep a tyrannical government in check. I hope we are not heading in that direction". What's your issue with that statement?
 
2) Why don't the democrats drop their 9-11 truthers, RACISTS (I've met more democrat racists than Republican), communists and eco terrorists? Both sides get their kooks. I've seen damn little of birthers in the tea party movement and if there was any significant amount of racists we'd have photographic evidence by now. The Democrats and their media lackeys have been watching the tea party like hawks, where are the pictures.
 
3) I assume your Palin derangement syndrome is the reason for the Fox news comment. Why shouldn't the Tea Party associate with someone who is so popular that she's a paid analyst on the largest cable news network? The network pulls in more independent viewers than the other 2 combined and squared. Seems like good politics to me.
 
My problem is she clearly considers our current government tyrannical and that type of speech can get people hurt. I think she is unbalanced and not a good choice to be leading the country and she has some pretty radical views.
 
There are plenty of pics and video Reef going all the way back to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere video that is probably still on U-Tube. I'm not a fan of those "kooks" on the far-left either and I wish you could meet my father-in-law, a rascist and bigot who has found a home in the Tea Party as a way to peddle his hate in a slightly toned down version and his claim he is a patriot and doing what is right for this country have ensured virtually a life-time ban from my property after he attacked his own daughter in chain emails after she questioned why he was actually involved in the movement. I have also been around our local Tea Party who meets at the same place my wife and I enjoy having lunch and I do listen to what they discuss which one day included how we should defund public schools because one of the peoples son had been expelled permanantly for beating-up a handicapped kid who she said threw the first punch.....yeah right, either her kid is a liar and so is she or that handicapped kid was teased and harassed to the point of going nuts. I will not and don't associate with this type of person.
 
Actually all of Fox news is my reason for the comment, but don't worry MSNBC and Comedy Central are now holding there own rallies and there is nothing like standing behind your favorite bias news source to prove what an independant thinker you are and it is also doing nothing to help the political divide in this country. My politics are very different than yours or Streb's for example, but I still think we have far more in common than not and a political party that could focus on our common ground for the good of the country would be something very good indeed and none of the 24 hour news networks would come anywhere near it which would also be a good thing.
 
If the Tea Party would have just stuck to something like term limits and honest politicians/government REGARDLESS of political leanings could you imagine what could get done. Every crooked dirt-bag politician in D.C. would be scared to death regardless of party and that is what I am looking for.
 
Fishtaco
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/60#post_3310243
There you go with your membership mantra again......yet you don't have a problem with purchasing gun licenses or hunting Lincenses....what is the difference...truly?
 
 
Religious beliefs...many here are tea party members...please show me those posts forcing religious views into politics? You claim to gather your news from unbiased sources other than radio and tv..yet you keep repeating the same things those liberal programs keeps stating.
 
The bible was the first law stating though shall not kill...you don't have a problem with this "religious" law.....
 
Your problem is the whole "me" mentallity....every post centers around YOU. any law that hinders YOU is bad....any law that benefits YOU is good....and others be damned....this is your whole outlook. You even state you vote for the guy that will benefit YOU. Not the country, not the nation, not the county,...BUT YOU.
What membership mantra? Go up to the Dallas area, walk into a TGI Friday's in the Farmers Branch area, sit down and ask for a beer. The first thing they will tell you is if you want to buy alcohol in their establishment, you must purchase a MEMBERSHIP that allows you to drink there, and several other restaurants in the area for a specific period of time. Do you have to buy a 'drinking license' where you live? Didn't the 21st Amendment abolish Prohibition in this country?
 
I abide by the laws relegated by the judicial systems in this country, not by the one's written in a religious book. Yes, making it a felony to kill someone without malice is contrived from the Bible, but I think humanity would've implemented that law regardless if it was stated in the Bible or not.
 
Isn't the "Me Mentality" one of the main causes of the Tea Party movement? Keep the Federal Govt. out of MY pockets? Don't allow the Federal Govt. to tell ME what to do? It will always ultimately come down to how government affects YOUR personal life. You're the one railing about how the welfare recipients suck money from YOUR taxes and hard-earned money, not me. If you actually cared for YOUR country, YOUR nation, and YOUR county, you'd have no problem helping out those entities with your fair share.
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/60#post_3310237
Bionic, I must ask a question. I have seen you complain about local government more than anything. I wonder though...as a successful business owner what have you done to try and change things?
 
I watched our local state rep who was a long time bluedog style dem be voted out recently and his replacement only won the election because she is a hard-core and very far-right Christian conservative who rode the current anti-Obama sentiment to get elected just like the dems did to Bush. No way to pick our leaders if you ask me, being a neighbor and being around the former state rep, he was a good man and I saw him personally help people within the community and he was voted out for basically not being religious enough which is a trend you seem to claim does not exist much within the conservative party, but I have to disagree Darth. I am just wondering why fiscal conservatism seems to be tied at the hip with social conservatism on issues that don't have anything to do with the government spending money?
 
Fishtaco
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/60#post_3310250
Fish, can you give me an example of his racism? Just because racism is thrown around a lot lately.
Your going to have to trust me unless you want me to be banned for every racial slur in the book and the stereotypes that go along with them. One example I can use is one of the last times my wife visited him with a friend, he asked what she was doing for the day and upon finding out told her not to visit a town because she might contribute to lesbian or gay business owners. The only reason I have not kicked his butt for insulting my lovely and confirmed liberal wife is because she requested I not do it. LOL
 
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fishtaco

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/60#post_3310236
You're from Eugene? I have a friend from there? You know any schumachers. They have a air duct cleaning company.
 
Hey, I'm not quite serious about that statement. It is incredably vauge. There is no way quantify it. But I personally would use it as a litmus test. If they're a buncha slimey politicians (see rick perry) then not so much...
 
I actually grew up in the country side around the Eugene area but had to spend fourteen years living in hippie central while I squirrelled away enough money to move to our current slice of heaven. I do not know any Schumachers though, sorry.
 
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