Tea Party Movement

fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/140#post_3311419
ok. whatever you say.
 
What is wrong with believing in God and believing that God would guide her on whether or not to run for president? Like it or not 70 plus percent of the USA claims some sort of religious association with a judeo-christian belief structure. And saying something like if god tells me to, is completely valid within that judeo-christian belief structure. Just to show you, even Obama (someone who leave's out "by our creator" when quoting the declaration of independence) felt the need to get involved with (what I'll loosely call) a "church" however misguided...
Dude, I am just trying to get Reef to help me sort out all these different types of conservatives that he insists exist and your not really helping him here. LOL
 
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fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/140#post_3311419
ok. whatever you say.
 
What is wrong with believing in God and believing that God would guide her on whether or not to run for president? Like it or not 70 plus percent of the USA claims some sort of religious association with a judeo-christian belief structure. And saying something like if god tells me to, is completely valid within that judeo-christian belief structure. Just to show you, even Obama (someone who leave's out "by our creator" when quoting the declaration of independence) felt the need to get involved with (what I'll loosely call) a "church" however misguided...
Dude, I am just trying to get Reef to help me sort out all these different types of conservatives that he insists exist and your not really helping him here. LOL
 
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reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/140#post_3311380
Okay, we have to set a base-line here. Please tell me what you consider Palin keeping in mind that she is the darling of the Tea Party and also is on tape saying Iraq was God's war and also has said numerous times that she will see what doors God opens to her concerning her 2012 run.
 
Fishtaco
 
Palin left Alaska with a budget surplus, one of 2 governors who can make that claim
 
Palin resigned as a member of the state petroleum board when she found members who were fellow republicans using their position to feather their own nests then lead the movement to have them removed.
 
Palin took out another old guard Republican who was governor who she believe had put his own interests above that of his state.
 
Palin also happens to be religious. So what? So was Ted Kennedy. So was Jimmy Carter.
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311462
Palin left Alaska with a budget surplus, one of 2 governors who can make that claim
 
Palin resigned as a member of the state petroleum board when she found members who were fellow republicans using their position to feather their own nests then lead the movement to have them removed.
 
Palin took out another old guard Republican who was governor who she believe had put his own interests above that of his state.
 
Palin also happens to be religious. So what? So was Ted Kennedy. So was Jimmy Carter.
Just proving my point that the Tea Party and the GOP is one in the same which you don't agree with. Let me know when you can untangle it a little better and in the meantime we can dream of an all inclusive party for fiscal conservatives who would be willing to drop all the social crap in favor of actually getting our country working better.
 
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reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311464
Just proving my point that the Tea Party and the GOP is one in the same which you don't agree with. Let me know when you can untangle it a little better and in the meantime we can dream of an all inclusive party for fiscal conservatives who would be willing to drop all the social crap in favor of actually getting our country working better.
 
Fishtaco
If they are one in the same explain to us EXACTLY why they supported the Delaware candidate they did instead of the GOP's hand picked candidate of choice? Same deal in Nevada and Alaska.
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/140#post_3311344
SUV's are gas guzzlers, which burn more fossil fuels, and also have larger carbon emissions, which can lead to the depletion of the ozone layer. Of course this is irrelevent to you since you think we have an unlimited supply of oil, and the Global Warming Theory is just a myth.
 
Who emitting trash now?? Hole in the ozone?
For realz dude? I am about a big AGW skeptic as they come, but even I know that the hole in the ozone has nothing to do with emissions. Probably recommend looking that one up again... Hint: CFC's
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311462
Palin left Alaska with a budget surplus, one of 2 governors who can make that claim
 
Palin resigned as a member of the state petroleum board when she found members who were fellow republicans using their position to feather their own nests then lead the movement to have them removed.
 
Palin took out another old guard Republican who was governor who she believe had put his own interests above that of his state.
 
Palin also happens to be religious. So what? So was Ted Kennedy. So was Jimmy Carter.
Considering the enormous amounts of revenue Alaska gets from the oil industry, Mickey Mouse could show a surplus as governor in that state. Don't they still pay every resident of Alaska an annual dividend from the royalities the state receives from the pipeline?
 
You actually believe Palin never put her own interests above that of the state? Let's see, she QUIT her post as governor so she could go on her massive "American Here I Am" book tour and speaking engagements. So if she were elected to a Congressional position, could you guarantee she wouldn't walk away from that spot if a better offer came around?
 
 
spanko

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311508
 
Considering the enormous amounts of revenue Alaska gets from the oil industry, Mickey Mouse could show a surplus as governor in that state. Don't they still pay every resident of Alaska an annual dividend from the royalties the state receives from the pipeline?
 
You actually believe Palin never put her own interests above that of the state? Let's see, she QUIT her post as governor so she could go on her massive "American Here I Am" book tour and speaking engagements. So if she were elected to a Congressional position, could you guarantee she wouldn't walk away from that spot if a better offer came around?
 
No guarantees in life but I can say that politicians in general do things to get elected and to move "upwards" in the hierarchy. I guess that is how all of us get ahead in life, selling ourselves for the next position.
 
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311470
umm have you listened to Karl Rove lately? Or checked out Alaska's senate race?
 
Yeah, as of yesterday Rove had thrown in his support for all Republicans and donated a small amount to O'Donnells campaign, as far as the senate races, all I am seeing is a continueing purge of those considered too moderate or rhino's from the party and that has been going on for a while.
 
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stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311530
Yeah, as of yesterday Rove had thrown in his support for all Republicans and donated a small amount to O'Donnells campaign, as far as the senate races, all I am seeing is a continueing purge of those considered too moderate or rhino's from the party and that has been going on for a while.
 
Fishtaco
 
I dunno, he went nuts on election night, and on the sunday shows... Just ripping her to shreds... Lip service after the fact is kind of like Obama saying he supports responsibility. A while? Cough McCain Cough
 
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311533
I dunno, he went nuts on election night, and on the sunday shows... Just ripping her to shreds... Lip service after the fact is kind of like Obama saying he supports responsibility. A while? Cough McCain Cough
 
Speaking of resonsibility wait till you see the clip of Obama yesterday talking to a lady who made the very valid point that the middle-class in this country is exhausted and after voting for him she is tired of defending him..................he kind of laughed and smiled when answering her and there was not a darn thing funny about the question. I can't think of a better way to decribe it than exhausted.
 
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reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311508
 
Considering the enormous amounts of revenue Alaska gets from the oil industry, Mickey Mouse could show a surplus as governor in that state. Don't they still pay every resident of Alaska an annual dividend from the royalities the state receives from the pipeline?
 
You actually believe Palin never put her own interests above that of the state? Let's see, she QUIT her post as governor so she could go on her massive "American Here I Am" book tour and speaking engagements. So if she were elected to a Congressional position, could you guarantee she wouldn't walk away from that spot if a better offer came around?
 
Another point in Palins favor. Instead of blowing the money on some stupid program she continued the program of giving the money back to the people. Wyoming is very similar to Alaska, lots of natural resources extraction and a small population. WHat they do is give the schools the income off 50% of the lands come hell or high water. When the new high school where my brother lived was being built the school board just wanted to make sure there school was bigger and better than the one the other big town in the county had just built. They ended up with something like 2.8 computers per student etc. What a great system!!!
 
Palin left office (according to her anyway) because of the constant baseless investigations she and the state were forced to defend. Your beloved Democrat party filed numerous suits against her or her administration. Funny how not one of those investigations led to anything. But she still had to pay her personal legal fees which were over half a million. Don't know what it cost the State but it was in the millions. Now what would you have done if it were you in a job that pays 125K and had half a million in legal fees associated with having that job?
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311519
 
No guarantees in life but I can say that politicians in general do things to get elected and to move "upwards" in the hierarchy. I guess that is how all of us get ahead in life, selling ourselves for the next position.
 
 
Nope, not everybody is willing to sell ourselves for the next position, money and power is not the greatest way to judge if a person is getting ahead in life, I find happiness a better yardstick.
 
As far a Palin goes, she has a young and handicapped child, she has made enough money to by now to take care of her family for life in a pretty comfortable manner, now if that where me, I would find someplace nice to live and concentrated on having both parents around full-time doing the very best job I can to raise my family. Instead she has been out on the road constantly and when was the last time you saw her youngest child with her at all? I find that a little strange and I think it says everything about Palin's view on money and power that you need to ask, she willingly sacrifices her family for both.
 
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reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311520
I guess this coral bleaching has nothing to do with Global Warming...
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39282717/ns/technology_and_science-the_new_york_times/?GT1=43001
But what is causing the Global warming???
 
The chicken little crowd claims it's increased amounts of the infrared radiation emitting from the earths surface being trapped by excessive CO2 in the atmosphere. Infrared radiation is the most effective wavelength of light produced by the sun at heating objects so it makes sense. But now for the rest of the story. The sun produces large amounts on infrared radiation so that same layer of CO2 also prevents it from reaching the earths surface and heating it in the first place. So increase CO2 also prevents more of the heat of the sun reaching the surface while trapping more of the surface heat produced by the visible spectrum of light which is far less effective at heating objects. Seems like a zero sum game to me.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311530
Yeah, as of yesterday Rove had thrown in his support for all Republicans and donated a small amount to O'Donnells campaign, as far as the senate races, all I am seeing is a continueing purge of those considered too moderate or rhino's from the party and that has been going on for a while.
 
Fishtaco
 
I think even if it costs them a couple senate seats it's a good thing. The Republicans have been moving to the left on fiscal issues since Gingrich left office in the late 90's.
 
I saw a poll today that showed O'Donnell down 15 points. I predict if that tightens to less than 10 points in the polls it's going to be a nail biter. With all the negative media coverage she's getting there will be some people who wont want to admit they are going to vote for her. Gonna be interesting to watch.
 
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311541
 
Nope, not everybody is willing to sell ourselves for the next position, money and power is not the greatest way to judge if a person is getting ahead in life, I find happiness a better yardstick.
 
As far a Palin goes, she has a young and handicapped child, she has made enough money to by now to take care of her family for life in a pretty comfortable manner, now if that where me, I would find someplace nice to live and concentrated on having both parents around full-time doing the very best job I can to raise my family. Instead she has been out on the road constantly and when was the last time you saw her youngest child with her at all? I find that a little strange and I think it says everything about Palin's view on money and power that you need to ask, she willingly sacrifices her family for both.
 
Fishtaco
 
On the other hand couldn't it be that she is really what she says she is? Like you said she's already made a mountain of money, more than enough to support her family in a pretty good way for a few generations. This is one of those questions that will take some time to answer. Once the big pay days end if she's still out there I'd say she's the real thing. On the other hand if she takes her toys and goes home once she can't get more than a hotel room and dinner for appearing it will be obvious it was about the money
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311539
Another point in Palins favor. Instead of blowing the money on some stupid program she continued the program of giving the money back to the people. Wyoming is very similar to Alaska, lots of natural resources extraction and a small population. WHat they do is give the schools the income off 50% of the lands come hell or high water. When the new high school where my brother lived was being built the school board just wanted to make sure there school was bigger and better than the one the other big town in the county had just built. They ended up with something like 2.8 computers per student etc. What a great system!!!
 
Palin left office (according to her anyway) because of the constant baseless investigations she and the state were forced to defend. Your beloved Democrat party filed numerous suits against her or her administration. Funny how not one of those investigations led to anything. But she still had to pay her personal legal fees which were over half a million. Don't know what it cost the State but it was in the millions. Now what would you have done if it were you in a job that pays 125K and had half a million in legal fees associated with having that job?
 
Oh I'm on board with the Tea Party plan now, I don't have kids, so I will be expecting every dime of my tax money that has went for education back. Palin endorsed canidate in Alaska Miller thinks unemployment insurance is uncostitutional, I agree and since I have only drawn it once for two weeks, I want every dime of my money back. Tea Party endorsed canidate Angle wants to get rid of social security and other GOP people want to extend the age at which I can draw benifits, so I want all that money returned to me also.
 
I will be fair though and only expect the average interest rate on the money for the years I have been paying in.
 
Unless I actually get my money back, the Tea Party seems kind of self-serving and full of crap, but never the less I will wait for Palin to become president and sit around and wait for a fairly huge government check. LOL
 
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stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/160#post_3311541
 
Nope, not everybody is willing to sell ourselves for the next position, money and power is not the greatest way to judge if a person is getting ahead in life, I find happiness a better yardstick.
 
As far a Palin goes, she has a young and handicapped child, she has made enough money to by now to take care of her family for life in a pretty comfortable manner, now if that where me, I would find someplace nice to live and concentrated on having both parents around full-time doing the very best job I can to raise my family. Instead she has been out on the road constantly and when was the last time you saw her youngest child with her at all? I find that a little strange and I think it says everything about Palin's view on money and power that you need to ask, she willingly sacrifices her family for both.
 
Fishtaco
 
Personally, and this is just me here, but if I kind of believe in working while the sun is up... Even if she never gets into office, she was before all this, just like you and me, husband on the north slope, slash commercial fishing business. When all this ends for her, however it does. Why not set yourself up where you never have to work again... She after all does have a large family, a handicapped kid. Another kid with her own kid, and no means of supporting herself. Even if all this was for a buck, I fail to see the fault in that? Aren't we all trying to better our own family's finances? Just because someone actually succeeded at it. Suddenly it is all wrong....
 
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