reefforbrains
Active Member
hey its not thier fault CWF, they never got a chance. They probably were from broken homes and didnt know how to express thier feelings.
Texas man cleared of shooting neighbor's robber
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theclemsonkid
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Originally Posted by COWFISHRULE
http:///forum/post/2670885
criminals didnt have to run.
Old man didn't have to shoot.
http:///forum/post/2670885
criminals didnt have to run.
Old man didn't have to shoot.
cowfishrule
Active Member
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2670894
Old man didn't have to shoot.
would have had no reason to shoot if they stayed put, or werent there to begin with.
http:///forum/post/2670894
Old man didn't have to shoot.
would have had no reason to shoot if they stayed put, or werent there to begin with.
reefforbrains
Active Member
Old man probably also came from broken home and didnt learn about expressing his feelings....
jennythebugg
Active Member
Originally Posted by COWFISHRULE
http:///forum/post/2670878
i wish i had a neighbor like this guy.
ditto
http:///forum/post/2670878
i wish i had a neighbor like this guy.
ditto
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2670894
Old man didn't have to shoot.
"Get the law over here quick. I've now, get, one of them's in the front yard over there, he's down, he almost run down the street. I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice! ... Get somebody over here quick, man."
-joe horn
He felt he did, and they were in his front yard.
http:///forum/post/2670894
Old man didn't have to shoot.
"Get the law over here quick. I've now, get, one of them's in the front yard over there, he's down, he almost run down the street. I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice! ... Get somebody over here quick, man."
-joe horn
He felt he did, and they were in his front yard.
pontius
Active Member
breaking news right now about a scumbag who went on a 2 day killing binge and killed 8 people, including a child and a 93 year old man. bludgeoned all of them to death. can only imagine how the story could've ended differently if it had happened in Texas rather than Illinois.
reefreak29
Active Member
Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2671024
breaking news right now about a scumbag who went on a 2 day killing binge and killed 8 people, including a child and a 93 year old man. bludgeoned all of them to death. can only imagine how the story could've ended differently if it had happened in Texas rather than Illinois.
sorry these guys were not out on a killing spree, they were stealing
http:///forum/post/2671024
breaking news right now about a scumbag who went on a 2 day killing binge and killed 8 people, including a child and a 93 year old man. bludgeoned all of them to death. can only imagine how the story could've ended differently if it had happened in Texas rather than Illinois.
sorry these guys were not out on a killing spree, they were stealing
pontius
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
http:///forum/post/2671052
sorry these guys were not out on a killing spree, they were stealing
you're sorry they weren't out on a killing spree? nice.
http:///forum/post/2671052
sorry these guys were not out on a killing spree, they were stealing
you're sorry they weren't out on a killing spree? nice.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2671024
breaking news right now about a scumbag who went on a 2 day killing binge and killed 8 people, including a child and a 93 year old man. bludgeoned all of them to death. can only imagine how the story could've ended differently if it had happened in Texas rather than Illinois.
In texas they have to use sniper rifles...
http:///forum/post/2671024
breaking news right now about a scumbag who went on a 2 day killing binge and killed 8 people, including a child and a 93 year old man. bludgeoned all of them to death. can only imagine how the story could've ended differently if it had happened in Texas rather than Illinois.
In texas they have to use sniper rifles...
sepulatian
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If the criminals were breaking into HIS house and attacking him or his family then that would be totally different. I have a problem with people shooting someone coming from a neighbors property. These two did rob the neighbor, but it was stuff. Were the neighbors harmed? Not from what I read. What is so bad about getting a description and reporting it or shooting them in the leg, if guns are common practice there? For those that wish this person was their neighbor, why would you want someone to open fire without knowing what is going on. There has been lots of information thrown around about them being illegal immigrants, I don't think he checked their green card prior to shooting them. People are saying that they were in a crime ring. Did the man know and identify these two as members? The problem with allowing people to shoot at suspicious activity is that they can be wrong. What if he were my neighbor and my son left the property in a black hoodie with a pillowcase. His face is not visible to the neighbors, but he is going to his friends house? He should die for that? Seriously, come on now.
aquaknight
Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2671181
What if he were my neighbor and my son left the property in a black hoodie with a pillowcase. His face is not visible to the neighbors, but he is going to his friends house? He should die for that? Seriously, come on now.
I would hope he would listen to your neighbor with a shotgun pointed at him and not run away. All they had to do was freeze.
http:///forum/post/2671181
What if he were my neighbor and my son left the property in a black hoodie with a pillowcase. His face is not visible to the neighbors, but he is going to his friends house? He should die for that? Seriously, come on now.
I would hope he would listen to your neighbor with a shotgun pointed at him and not run away. All they had to do was freeze.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2671235
I would hope he would listen to your neighbor with a shotgun pointed at him and not run away. All they had to do was freeze.
Within seconds? He shot within seconds of saying freeze. If they were immigrants then they likely didn't understand English. I am not saying that the two that robbed the neighbor is in any way right, but how is it alright to just shoot them? They crossed onto his yard, he yelled freeze as he was about to shoot. If someone yelled something in Spanish to me I wouldn't know what they were saying
http:///forum/post/2671235
I would hope he would listen to your neighbor with a shotgun pointed at him and not run away. All they had to do was freeze.
Within seconds? He shot within seconds of saying freeze. If they were immigrants then they likely didn't understand English. I am not saying that the two that robbed the neighbor is in any way right, but how is it alright to just shoot them? They crossed onto his yard, he yelled freeze as he was about to shoot. If someone yelled something in Spanish to me I wouldn't know what they were saying
coral keeper
Active Member
The old guy knew that they were robbers...
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2671181
If the criminals were breaking into HIS house and attacking him or his family then that would be totally different. I have a problem with people shooting someone coming from a neighbors property. These two did rob the neighbor, but it was stuff. Were the neighbors harmed? Not from what I read. What is so bad about getting a description and reporting it or shooting them in the leg, if guns are common practice there? For those that wish this person was their neighbor, why would you want someone to open fire without knowing what is going on. There has been lots of information thrown around about them being illegal immigrants, I don't think he checked their green card prior to shooting them. People are saying that they were in a crime ring. Did the man know and identify these two as members? The problem with allowing people to shoot at suspicious activity is that they can be wrong. What if he were my neighbor and my son left the property in a black hoodie with a pillowcase. His face is not visible to the neighbors, but he is going to his friends house? He should die for that? Seriously, come on now.
All these "what if" arguments don't hold water, if anything, this will act as a deterrent. Horn himself has said, if he had to do it again, he wouldn't do it. He now keeps his shotgun in a safe. He isn't going to do what was right, protect himself and his neighbors because of the hell he caught for it. And that is messed up.
And remember they approached him, they were on his lawn.
http:///forum/post/2671181
If the criminals were breaking into HIS house and attacking him or his family then that would be totally different. I have a problem with people shooting someone coming from a neighbors property. These two did rob the neighbor, but it was stuff. Were the neighbors harmed? Not from what I read. What is so bad about getting a description and reporting it or shooting them in the leg, if guns are common practice there? For those that wish this person was their neighbor, why would you want someone to open fire without knowing what is going on. There has been lots of information thrown around about them being illegal immigrants, I don't think he checked their green card prior to shooting them. People are saying that they were in a crime ring. Did the man know and identify these two as members? The problem with allowing people to shoot at suspicious activity is that they can be wrong. What if he were my neighbor and my son left the property in a black hoodie with a pillowcase. His face is not visible to the neighbors, but he is going to his friends house? He should die for that? Seriously, come on now.
All these "what if" arguments don't hold water, if anything, this will act as a deterrent. Horn himself has said, if he had to do it again, he wouldn't do it. He now keeps his shotgun in a safe. He isn't going to do what was right, protect himself and his neighbors because of the hell he caught for it. And that is messed up.
And remember they approached him, they were on his lawn.
coral keeper
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2671256
All these "what if" arguments don't hold water, if anything, this will act as a deterrent. Horn himself has said, if he had to do it again, he wouldn't do it. He now keeps his shotgun in a safe. He isn't going to do what was right, protect himself and his neighbors because of the hell he caught for it. And that is messed up.
And remember they approached him, they were on his lawn.
+1
http:///forum/post/2671256
All these "what if" arguments don't hold water, if anything, this will act as a deterrent. Horn himself has said, if he had to do it again, he wouldn't do it. He now keeps his shotgun in a safe. He isn't going to do what was right, protect himself and his neighbors because of the hell he caught for it. And that is messed up.
And remember they approached him, they were on his lawn.
+1
aquaknight
Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2671242
Within seconds? He shot within seconds of saying freeze. If they were immigrants then they likely didn't understand English. I am not saying that the two that robbed the neighbor is in any way right, but how is it alright to just shoot them? They crossed onto his yard, he yelled freeze as he was about to shoot. If someone yelled something in Spanish to me I wouldn't know what they were saying
What you honestly do though? Probably drop whatevers in your hands and raise them up? Right? The international sign of submission. To show that you're peaceful and don't have a gun.... Sorry, but if someone has a gun pointed at you, and they haven't already pulled the trigger, the point is they do not want to kill you, but clearly they want something. Go along with what they want, do something stupid, like run, and face the consequences.
Within seconds? What? People run 40 yards in 4.5 seconds. They ran from the neighbors house onto his property within seconds. That's the reaction time you have, merely seconds before they are on top of your trying to wrestle for the gun. If they just stayed put, they won't not have been shot within seconds, they'd have lived.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2671256
All these "what if" arguments don't hold water, if anything, this will act as a deterrent. Horn himself has said, if he had to do it again, he wouldn't do it. He now keeps his shotgun in a safe. He isn't going to do what was right, protect himself and his neighbors because of the hell he caught for it. And that is messed up.
And remember they approached him, they were on his lawn.
Yet they were shot in the back within seconds of him saying freeze. I am sure he does make statements that he feels differently now. You are correct though, we can speculate and say "what if" all night long. I wasn't "what ifing" this particular case, just the situation. Again, I have no problem at all with someone shooting another person for coming into their home and attempting to rob them or cause harm. I do have a problem with people being able to freely shoot at others. These two were passing through Horn's yard. He had no right to shoot them to kill. The police arrived right after he did so. He could have shot them in the leg. They didn't kill anyone, they stole. That is very common where they came from (Mexico). I am not feeling sympathy for them stealing because it is what they are used to, but it is a factor in the equation here. As I said earlier, where do you draw the line?
http:///forum/post/2671256
All these "what if" arguments don't hold water, if anything, this will act as a deterrent. Horn himself has said, if he had to do it again, he wouldn't do it. He now keeps his shotgun in a safe. He isn't going to do what was right, protect himself and his neighbors because of the hell he caught for it. And that is messed up.
And remember they approached him, they were on his lawn.
Yet they were shot in the back within seconds of him saying freeze. I am sure he does make statements that he feels differently now. You are correct though, we can speculate and say "what if" all night long. I wasn't "what ifing" this particular case, just the situation. Again, I have no problem at all with someone shooting another person for coming into their home and attempting to rob them or cause harm. I do have a problem with people being able to freely shoot at others. These two were passing through Horn's yard. He had no right to shoot them to kill. The police arrived right after he did so. He could have shot them in the leg. They didn't kill anyone, they stole. That is very common where they came from (Mexico). I am not feeling sympathy for them stealing because it is what they are used to, but it is a factor in the equation here. As I said earlier, where do you draw the line?
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2671272
What you honestly do though? Probably drop whatevers in your hands and raise them up? Right? The international sign of submission. To show that you're peaceful and don't have a gun.... Sorry, but if someone has a gun pointed at you, and they haven't already pulled the trigger, the point is they do not want to kill you, but clearly they want something. Go along with what they want, do something stupid, like run, and face the consequences.
Within seconds? What? People run 40 yards in 4.5 seconds. They ran from the neighbors house onto his property within seconds. That's the reaction time you have, merely seconds before they are on top of your trying to wrestle for the gun. If they just stayed put, they won't not have been shot within seconds, they'd have lived.
They didn't run for him and try to wrestle the gun though. He was on the phone with 911. Horn said he was going to shoot them before they even crossed his property line. They saw him and turned away. He was in no danger at all.
aquaknight
Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2671282
They didn't run for him and try to wrestle the gun though. He was on the phone with 911. Horn said he was going to shoot them before they even crossed his property line. They saw him and turned away. He was in no danger at all.
Last time I post this. This is enough for me. He wasn't on the phone with 911 when he was outside. It's not illegal to not take the advice of a 911 operator as far as I remember. Nor is it illegal to confront someone. But trespassing is.
"It was over within seconds. The detective never had time to say anything before the shots were fired," Corbett said. "At first, the officer was assessing the situation. Then he was worried Horn might mistake him for the 'wheel man' (getaway driver). He ducked at one point."
When Horn confronted the suspects in his yard, he raised his shotgun to his shoulder, Corbett said. However the men ignored his order to freeze.
Corbett said one man ran toward Horn, but had angled away from him toward the street when he was shot in the back just before reaching the curb.
"The detective confirmed that this suspect was actually closer to Horn after he initiated his run than at the time when first confronted," said Corbett. "Horn said he felt in jeopardy."
Ortiz and Torres died a short distance from Horn's house, both shot in the back.
Who know's what Horn meant by "shoot" anyway? He really could only have meant 'confront' or something...