Texas man cleared of shooting neighbor's robber

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tizzo

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2670416
Umm ok, I think running to grab your gun for protection because you see a couple of people who might be scary is the weak way

Not sure about you, but my home is well made and I have a large dog and I don't think it'd be that easy to get into. What exactly is a thug? When you see a minority around your home to run for your gun? I'm trying to figure this out.
I'd be more then happy to give you my addy and I can guarantee you will find my home locked up when we are not home and at night. You could try to break in but I'm pretty sure my neighbors would call the cops who'd be here in a minute or less. One of the advantages of living in the burbs is the large # of cops who patrol our area.
And I think letting them waltz around on your property is weak.
You have a large dog huh? Why? The dog won't call the cops. The dog will most likely go for the jugular. So your employing the same theory, =just with a different weapon.
A thug? Anybody, no matter their race who comes onto my property with criminal intent, or anybody's property.
I cannot believe you asked that to prove a point. What's a thug, are you serious?
I will let you argue this point with others.
Movie time!
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2670414
And you don't see anything wrong with that statement...
I think if I saw somebody robbing a home or even a business in the middle of the day, I'd hafta say that in and of itself constitutes a threat .
A lot of people are friends with their neighbors and would protect their property as if it were their own. And vise versa. Friendship thing I think.
But what's the accidental shootings hafta do with anything...
Ok? I thought you said it was about trespassing and not propetry? So let me get this straight...you'd kill someone for trespassing on your land but you wouldn't kill someone for your own material goods. However, you'd kill someone to protect a neighbors property, which would be material goods?
 
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tizzo

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If you do not understand the definition of trespassing then this whole discussion is a moot point.
We are obviously speaking of two totally seperate things, and since this is the case a compromise cannot be reached.
I don't own a gun. I used to live inner city and my house was broken into twice and 2 of my vehicles have been stolen.
If I was there and if I had a gun, I woulda shot them. Not cause of the stuff, I have insurance, but rather the trespassing.
The 911 dispatcher told me herself that if they came they will more than likely come back now that they know what you have.
Whatever justice system we have in place...is not working.
I am all for shooting them.
 

kogle

Member
Man reading through this thread lets me know exactly why this country is in the turmoil it is. All of you people standing up for the criminals need kicked in the head. YOU people are the reason honest hard working people are losing their liberties.
All of you people (like Tizzo) who agree with shooting the low life scum bags need an award. Rest assured if you break into my house I will kill you DEAD. I made this decision after my house was broken into. If I shoot you it won't be in the legs or feet or hands or where ever you people looking to get sued say we "should" shoot someone. If I shoot you it will be in the head or other vital areas until my gun is empty. If you're still kicking or otherwise choking on your own blood I will beat you with something until you DIE.
My mom works with a lady whose son shot an intruder who had a GUN. The guy sues the family for being shot and freaking wins. WHY? becuase all of you sissys say his rights were infringed upon. You know what? If you rob someone's house, tresspass, whatever when you know you could be shot I really REALLY hope you are. I hope you die a horrible death and it hurts really bad. Why? Becasue you freaking deserve it. Again, if you don't want shot don't break into people's houses. Easy enough eh?
Oh and the part about being an illegal... well you get the point.
 

rebelprettyboy

Active Member
Originally Posted by SpiderWoman
http:///forum/post/2670430
Note to self when going for a visit: remember to knock on the door before entering Tizzo's house :)
lol and take a picture of me and what im wearing before gettin out my car and send it to her phone and let her know im outside!
 

bronco300

Active Member
Originally Posted by KOgle
http:///forum/post/2670436
Man reading through this thread lets me know exactly why this country is in the turmoil it is. All of you people standing up for the criminals need kicked in the head. YOU people are the reason honest hard working people are losing their liberties.
All of you people (like Tizzo) who agree with shooting the low life scum bags need an award. Rest assured if you break into my house I will kill you DEAD. I made this decision after my house was broken into. If I shoot you it won't be in the legs or feet or hands or where ever you people looking to get sued say we "should" shoot someone. If I shoot you it will be in the head or other vital areas until my gun is empty. If you're still kicking or otherwise choking on your own blood I will beat you with something until you DIE.
My mom works with a lady whose son shot an intruder who had a GUN. The guy sues the family for being shot and freaking wins. WHY? becuase all of you sissys say his rights were infringed upon. You know what? If you rob someone's house, tresspass, whatever when you know you could be shot I really REALLY hope you are. I hope you die a horrible death and it hurts really bad. Why? Becasue you freaking deserve it. Again, if you don't want shot don't break into people's houses. Easy enough eh?
Oh and the part about being an illegal... well you get the point.
this is a bit beyond my comfort point, i wouldnt be able to go as far as beating someone to death because a gun wound didnt take care of the job...BUT i know there are quite a few sstates now that have the law passed that protects you if you shot someone for breaking into your home..forget what Indiana's law is called.
if its ok for a homeowner to shoot someone when they break in...why isnt it just ok for their neighboor to do them the favor of shooting the person breaking in...
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Personally, it isn't worth shooting the guy to have to listen to all these morons argue that the victim not the criminal was in the wrong.
And the crap to clear your name that the person would have to go through. Legally. ( do think it is needed) and needs to be remembered by all the gun carriers out there. If you shoot a guy it had better be worth 10,000 dollars because t hat is what you'll end up paying to clear your name. (it should be like that, their are MAJOR legal deterrents to using deadly force. You need to be dang sure this is the only option)
Not counting all the criminal sympathizers that will try to have your head for protecting youself.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2670301
That is if someone asks you to protect their property... Apparently, he wasn't authorized or asked to do so.
That's the smokey part of this law. They said if it could be assumed your neighbor would want you to look after their stuff or something like that. Evidentally the neighbor said he didn't ask but was glad the guy took action so it was cool.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by KOgle
http:///forum/post/2670436
Man reading through this thread lets me know exactly why this country is in the turmoil it is. All of you people standing up for the criminals need kicked in the head. YOU people are the reason honest hard working people are losing their liberties.
All of you people (like Tizzo) who agree with shooting the low life scum bags need an award. Rest assured if you break into my house I will kill you DEAD. I made this decision after my house was broken into. If I shoot you it won't be in the legs or feet or hands or where ever you people looking to get sued say we "should" shoot someone. If I shoot you it will be in the head or other vital areas until my gun is empty. If you're still kicking or otherwise choking on your own blood I will beat you with something until you DIE.
My mom works with a lady whose son shot an intruder who had a GUN. The guy sues the family for being shot and freaking wins. WHY? becuase all of you sissys say his rights were infringed upon. You know what? If you rob someone's house, tresspass, whatever when you know you could be shot I really REALLY hope you are. I hope you die a horrible death and it hurts really bad. Why? Becasue you freaking deserve it. Again, if you don't want shot don't break into people's houses. Easy enough eh?
Oh and the part about being an illegal... well you get the point.
I'm not defending the criminal... but at the same time I don't think this guy was legally or even morally justified to kill the intruders. It was not self defense, and it was not his property. Easy as that. Good intentions don't always lead to good choices.
If he were a police officer, he'd be wrong for killing the suspects.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2670517
I'm not defending the criminal... but at the same time I don't think this guy was legally or even morally justified to kill the intruders. It was not self defense, and it was not his property. Easy as that. Good intentions don't always lead to good choices.
If he were a police officer, he'd be wrong for killing the suspects.
One of the men were shot less than 10 feet from Mr. Horn. While Mr. Horn was on his property.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2670345
One thing sticks out at me about this.....both dead were illegal...which means they continued to break the law after breaking it the minute they set foot in this country. Maybe if they had been law abiding illegals they would be alive.....
Had we addressed the illegal imigration problem they would be alive in Columbia.

One of the guys had a prior arrest and was ordered deported when he was released. We can see how well that rule works.
I think we need to adopt the same rules of border control Mexico uses on their southern border
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2670356
because we value material things more than life... when odds are we can go out the next day and buy another TV, or watch... or my insurance will cover my vehicle. People get killed all the time for not just giving up their shoes, watch, wallet.. etc... because they resist.. and get shot. Instead of thinking about their family or life in general... and what is worth more.
I believe you should be able to defend your property... but you should consider is it worth it.
People steal or all sorts of reasons.. that person could be looking to just feed their family... how would that make you feel... I wouldn't want to live with killing someone who's family was starving, and they were at the point were they had to steal. With that said, people who steal for a living... they are scum... yes they belong in jail/prison... but they don't deserve to killed unless they provoke that, which it doesn't seem like these men did. Now if the homeowner did it, it would be different IMO/
I could care less why they are stealing. I am willing to grant a pass for someone who ignores our border laws to come here and work their butt off to support their family. Stealing our public services is one thing but robbing from the people who are paying the taxes to provide the services you are already stealing
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2670522
One of the men were shot less than 10 feet from Mr. Horn. While Mr. Horn was on his property.
He confronted them with a shotgun... they were shot in the back... if you listen to the call... he puts the phone down...5 sec later you hear "Freeze" than BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.. They were not approaching him... they were running from him.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2670532
He confronted them with a shotgun... they were shot in the back... if you listen to the call... he puts the phone down...5 sec later you hear "Freeze" than BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.. They were not approaching him... they were running from him.
There were eye witnesses as well as a police officer, who did not respond for some reason, who verified the range of the robbers.
I'd just like to point out, I'm from houston, and this has been getting play here almost every day since the robbery.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2670517
I'm not defending the criminal... but at the same time I don't think this guy was legally or even morally justified to kill the intruders. It was not self defense, and it was not his property. Easy as that. Good intentions don't always lead to good choices.
If he were a police officer, he'd be wrong for killing the suspects.
Suspects? They were climbing out the window with pillow cases full of stuff.

I can see both sides of the argument. In this case under the law this guy was justified in popping them. I can also see where sending the message that it's OK to back shoot someone you think is a fleeing criminal causes some serious problems.
I would say they need to tweak the law so that you can use lethal force if the criminal doesn't back down when confronted. I like the idea of a neighbor being allowed to look out for other people's property. If that happened more often it would do more to curb theft than a hundred thousand new cops.
 

coral keeper

Active Member
Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2669426
+1 again. if ur breaking into my house, im going to shoot you. period. if i catch you breaking into my neighbor's/friend's/family's house, i'm going to shoot you.
if you don't want to get shot, don't break into other people's houses.
+1! Ditto!
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Everyone seems mighty bold on here claiming that they would just kill anyone that is trespassing or otherwise. Who on here has shot someone? How many others have seen suspicious activity and simply called the police?
 
This is going to get far to philosophical, and this is probably more about society than this actual event. But why is it, that when given a choice, most people want to be the aggressor, even if they don't really need to be.
I volunteered at a shelter for six years, with people with all kinds of rap sheets. Because of that, it kinda makes me a little sick each time I hear someone say "They choose to break in to someones house, therefore they have to be ready to face the consequences".
People, especially those from "Christian" backgrounds (like myself), are SO quick to judge. There is only one person who came to judge the quick and the dead, and that's God. This is in no way a religious debate, but what in the world gives some old man the right to shoot someone IN THE BACK running from a crime scene?
And believe me, these people who just randomly "break into homes", aren't naturally evil people. I personally got to see the places a lot of these people came from. Most, from a single parent home, sexually or physically abused, on drugs, trying to get by the ONLY way they ever saw.
It's real easy for all of us in our white, upper middle class lives to think that "stealing" is such a terrible act. But remember, you weren't watching your Mom getting beaten up, while your alcoholic dad was forcing her to turn tricks for cash. For a lot of these people. That's what they saw. For year after year after year.
All of them? Absolutely not. But like I said, who is this guy to be the person to judge them?
If that was considered "legal", then the old coot better head to Houston and sit outside any big business, where a middle age white man rips his clients off by stealing from THEM. Only difference is, he does it through laundering, extortion, insider trading, etc. Lucky for him, he was smart enough and lucky enough to go to college.
At least the poor Mexican immigrant never had a chance.
So when you see Mr. White business man running towards his Mercedes, I bet you won't find any old men gunning him down...
 
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