Texas man cleared of shooting neighbor's robber

[cowfishrule]

i finally read all the way through this thread.
i find it bothering that some people are defending the criminals here.
just one question.
why ?

 

[bigarn]

relax ... god will sort it all out.
as for now, there's 2 less scumbags in the world.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2670359
no, his safe place was his home.... not his neighbor's
They were on HIS property! And it was his neighborhood.

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2670356
because we value material things more than life... when odds are we can go out the next day and buy another TV, or watch... or my insurance will cover my vehicle. People get killed all the time for not just giving up their shoes, watch, wallet.. etc... because they resist.. and get shot. Instead of thinking about their family or life in general... and what is worth more.
I believe you should be able to defend your property... but you should consider is it worth it.
People steal or all sorts of reasons.. that person could be looking to just feed their family... how would that make you feel... I wouldn't want to live with killing someone who's family was starving, and they were at the point were they had to steal. With that said, people who steal for a living... they are scum... yes they belong in jail/prison... but they don't deserve to killed unless they provoke that, which it doesn't seem like these men did. Now if the homeowner did it, it would be different IMO/
No remorse from me if this guys were robbing a house to feed their families. There are opportunties elsewhere. The intent is pretty clear when robbing a house. If they had families to feed, take some bread and milk from a grocery store. Don't go to steal from someone's house. I think that is the issue you're overlooking.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2670359
no, his safe place was his home.... not his neighbor's
How does he/you know that? Who's to say these criminals would not have been back tomorrow to rob his house?

 

[jmick]

I didn't really have an opinion on this till I heard the taped 911 call this morning on the radio and it seemed to me that these people never threatened the man and he really wanted to kill them. The 911 operator repeatedly told him not to engage them and at one point he said he was going to kill them, and then he pumped his shot gun went outside and shot them both in the back. I am all for our rights to protect our lives but to kill two people for a couple thousand dollars worth of stuff is wrong. If it's the middle of the night and someone is in your home and you fear for your family do what you have to do. That's not what happened here, he was watching his neighbors house getting robbed and didn't feel that 911 was good enough and that he had to kill these people.
I wonder, if they had been two white teenagers instead of two nonwhite illegal immigrants what would have happened and how everyone here would react?
Also, what else should we be able to kill people for? I have always thought that human life was > then material goods. It would seem that there are many people on this board who don’t value the life of their fellow man. Well, we do know one person who was willing to risk the life of his family for a car, which is just crazy.

 

[tizzo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2670356
because we value material things more than life.../
No, what I'm asking you is... Why doesn't theft warrant death?
Why is it OK to put their precious little life in a cage for all eternity, but it's not OK to just end it?

 

[tizzo]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2670373
I have always thought that human life was > then material goods.
That can't be one sided. If human life really is > than materials then the criminals would not have robbed humans of their materials.
To YOU human life is greater than, but it's not an equal playing field. If they wanna treat it as less, then I think we should take that into consideration when deciding their punishment.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2670376
No, what I'm asking you is... Why doesn't theft warrant death?
Why is it OK to put their precious little life in a cage for all eternity, but it's not OK to just end it?
We don't even do that..
Take two situations....
#1 A guy breaks in a house and steals copper or jewelry..
#2 Enron
Who gets a longer sentence.. who is more deserving to die?
Why when comparing the two... they are not seen in the same light?

 

[tizzo]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2670373
I have always thought that human life was > then material goods. .
The material goods are not the issue. I would not kill a person for a TV. It's the trespassing. I don't care if the thief is walking away with 4 dollars or 40 thousand, if he's trespassing he needs to accept the consequence.

 

[tizzo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2670382
We don't even do that..
Take two situations....
#1 A guy breaks in a house and steals copper or jewelry..
#2 Enron
Who gets a longer sentence.. who is more deserving to die?
Why when comparing the two... they are not seen in the same light?
There was no trespassing in enron. Their result was negative stocks, it happens. If I give my TV to a person then he drops it, well, that's be my fault for giving it to him.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2670376
No, what I'm asking you is... Why doesn't theft warrant death?
Why is it OK to put their precious little life in a cage for all eternity, but it's not OK to just end it?

Do you think that material goods have more value then human life? Also, since when are people sent to prison for an eternity for robery?
What should we do with people who are found guilty of idenity theft or white collar crimes that ruin the lives of thousands and thousands of people (think Enron)?
What if you lose your key and it's the middle of the night and you decide to break window and climb in only to have you neighbor shoot you to death?

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2670384
The material goods are not the issue. I would not kill a person for a TV. It's the trespassing. I don't care if the thief is walking away with 4 dollars or 40 thousand, if he's trespassing he needs to accept the consequence.
Ok, so anyone who is trespassing on your property is fair game to be shot and killed?

 

[alexmir]

If i feel threatened then yes, if s mans dogs runs through my yard, and i shoot him for chasing it through my yard then no.
If someone comes out of my neighbors house, they yes.
Do we know if he meant to kill them? Also, if he would havelet them go, they might have come back later that week to kill him to keep him from being able to identify them........

They knew what could have happened if they were to rob the house and get caught.

 

[tizzo]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2670392
Do you think that material goods have more value then human life? Also, since when are people sent to prison for an eternity for robery?
What should we do with people who are found guilty of idenity theft or white collar crimes that ruin the lives of thousands and thousands of people (think Enron)?
What if you lose your key and it's the middle of the night and you decide to break window and climb in only to have you neighbor shoot you to death?

Your missing my point. Material good is not the issue, trespassing is the issue.
People aren't sent to prison for eternity, but that's the argument. The guy shoulda let them go and let the law deal with them. They get deported, with no consequence. I was trying to use the worst case scenario short of death.
Again, white collar crimes... not trespassing. I am not talking money or gold or copper, I'm talking about the stranger the feels he has every right to waltz onto your property in broad daylight...or your neighbors.
Your third comment, hasn't happened yet, so I'll wait for the incident before i comment. Your leaning to an extreme side for your advantage.
One could easily argue, what if those robbers were armed and had a violent history of killing children in their wake.
You cannot use hypotheticals to stress your point. They are to easy to use both ways.

 

[bigarn]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2670393
Ok, so anyone who is trespassing on your property is fair game to be shot and killed?
Tizzo's yard?
the snakes and lizards would kill ya before she ever gets a shot off!

 

[tizzo]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2670393
Ok, so anyone who is trespassing on your property is fair game to be shot and killed?
Yes. I believe they even make a sign that says just that.
"Trespassers will be shot."
What would you do if you saw a couple of thugs heading for your house?? Or your neighbors? Would you seriously call the cops and watch them leave?? Seems a bit sissy-fied to me. Heck gimme YOUR address, if all your stuff is free for the taking.

 

[tizzo]

 

[jmick]

Again, I am all for one being able to defend his/her property when it's warranted. That said, he killed two people who were robbing his neighbors home and from everything I have read/heard they were not threatening him. They were robbing a home in the middle of the day when no one was home and were of little threat.
Extreme side? How many accidental shootings do you think happen every year in our country? Take 2001; there were roughly 30k deaths via firearms. 17k were from suicide, 11k from homicide and 800 were accidental shootings.

 

[tizzo]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2670410
A They were robbing a home in the middle of the day when no one was home and were of little threat.
And you don't see anything wrong with that statement...
I think if I saw somebody robbing a home or even a business in the middle of the day, I'd hafta say that in and of itself constitutes a threat .
A lot of people are friends with their neighbors and would protect their property as if it were their own. And vise versa. Friendship thing I think.
But what's the accidental shootings hafta do with anything...

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2670401
Yes. I believe they even make a sign that says just that.
"Trespassers will be shot."
What would you do if you saw a couple of thugs heading for your house?? Or your neighbors? Would you seriously call the cops and watch them leave?? Seems a bit sissy-fied to me. Heck gimme YOUR address, if all your stuff is free for the taking.
Umm ok, I think running to grab your gun for protection because you see a couple of people who might be scary is the weak way

Not sure about you, but my home is well made and I have a large dog and I don't think it'd be that easy to get into. What exactly is a thug? When you see a minority around your home to run for your gun? I'm trying to figure this out.
I'd be more then happy to give you my addy and I can guarantee you will find my home locked up when we are not home and at night. You could try to break in but I'm pretty sure my neighbors would call the cops who'd be here in a minute or less. One of the advantages of living in the burbs is the large # of cops who patrol our area.