Texas man cleared of shooting neighbor's robber

geridoc

geridoc

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2673348
Really? Because every list I look at places new york in the to fifteen cities and every Texas city listed is in the bottom 20.
Care to provide a link to these stats?
I didn't do an extensive comparison, just Big D vs Big Apple, but the stats are here .
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2673371
I didn't do an extensive comparison, just Big D vs Big Apple, but the stats are here .
It depends if you do stuff per capita or number of violent crimes. What is the pop of dallas maybe 1 million. Well NY is 10 million. If you do it per capita NY can have 10 times the amount of crime and it still be even with dallas.
I have a friend who is the cop in a rural texas town. Well one day they had two people murdered. And since they had a pop of like 300 that bumped them way up the crime rates charts. (of course that get filtered out of most of these sites.) but you could say they had a higher murder rate than NYC that year.
Typically I'm a big fan of per capita type measurements. However, in this situation it simply doesn't reflect the safety or lack thereof of walking down the street in NYC vs. the Big D.
 
jmick

jmick

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Here is some info on crime in Texas + link.
Texas - Crime and Corrections
In 2004, Texas had the 12th highest rate of violent crime among the 50 states (541 incidences per 100,000 residents). The U.S. rate was 466 incidences per 100,000 residents. (FBI, Uniform Crime Reports)
In the same year, there were 4,494 incidences of property crime per 100,000 residents in Texas (the 6th highest rate in the U.S.).
Texas had the 3rd highest incarceration rate per capita in 2004 – with 748 prisoners under federal and state jurisdiction per 100,000 residents. The rate of incarceration in Texas was about at the U.S. average in the 1980s then increased dramatically during the 1990s – soaring well above the U.S. average (see below).
http://www.myonlinemaps.com/texas.php
 
tangman99

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The difference in reacting to being scared and vigilante Justice:
Being Scared: "Stop or your dead!" BANG!
Vigilante Justice: BANG!
Whether the death penalty is a deterent or not can be debated forever. We do know for a fact that is not a determent for someone who commits a capital crime knowing that is a punishment. But, it does prevent them repeating the crime when applied.
 
kogle

kogle

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Originally Posted by ReefForBrains
http:///forum/post/2670714
I think I will vomit if this slips down into sorrow for the poor misjudged underprivileged never had a chance................
Amen RFB, that's what I was getting at with my post. There are far too many people now a days that are willing to stick up for criminals.
I just can't stand it. Toyota pays me to do root cause analysis and my prognosis would be don't break into people's houses and you probably won't get shot. Don't go after the guy for doing what he's entitled to do, he's reacting to the problem, not creating it.
 
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why were they shot in the back then? he went out there with the intention on delivering his brand of justice. i heard the 911 call. he wasnt afraid at all, the dispatcher said to him "if you go out there you gonna get yourself killed, Mr. Horn replied "you wanna bet" i believe the two crooks were gonna go over there and rough Mr. Horn up but when they saw he had a gun tried to run and he shot them in the back. thats a crime period. he got off because of the "good ole boy" brand of justice down there in Texas. if he was a black guy and the crooks were white, he be on death row right now. he was itching to go out there, if he was afraid he would have hid in his bathroom, not storm out like some old west gun slinger. he was pissed off that the crooks were gonna get away and he wanted to be a hero, he wasnt being a responsable, good neighbor, he was being a tough guy, a texas cowboy, and an idiot. two humans are gone forever because of him, and they were unarmed. they were commiting a horrible crime but we will never know if they one day would become productive people. and i admit they probably would have not. but it does happen. IMO he's no better than the guys he shot because like them he thought he could take something that belongs to someone else, and what he took is far more valuable and irreplacable than a stereo, or t.v. set.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2673561
why were they shot in the back then? he went out there with the intention on delivering his brand of justice. i heard the 911 call. he wasnt afraid at all, the dispatcher said to him "if you go out there you gonna get yourself killed, Mr. Horn replied "you wanna bet" i believe the two crooks were gonna go over there and rough Mr. Horn up but when they saw he had a gun tried to run and he shot them in the back. thats a crime period. he got off because of the "good ole boy" brand of justice down there in Texas. if he was a black guy and the crooks were white, he be on death row right now. he was itching to go out there, if he was afraid he would have hid in his bathroom, not storm out like some old west gun slinger. he was pissed off that the crooks were gonna get away and he wanted to be a hero, he wasnt being a responsable, good neighbor, he was being a tough guy, a texas cowboy, and an idiot. two humans are gone forever because of him, and they were unarmed. they were commiting a horrible crime but we will never know if they one day would become productive people. and i admit they probably would have not. but it does happen. IMO he's no better than the guys he shot because like them he thought he could take something that belongs to someone else, and what he took is far more valuable and irreplacable than a stereo, or t.v. set.
ah more racism charges. Love it! Just love it.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2673327
Those of you who support this shooting seem to feel that it is part of a "Texan" independence and toughness that produces greater safety. Yet, according to the FBI, Dallas has a higher rate of property and violent crime than that home of the liberal - it must be the victim's fault - city, New York, New York. Ironic, huh?
This may not be a perfect comparison, but recently a man on Long Island was convicted for killing a teenager who was on the street in front of his house threatening to kill his son, with whom he had had a confrontation earlier in the evening. The father's defense was that he feared for the safety of his family, but the law says that it has to be imminent danger, and the distance to the street was interpreted as meaning that the threat was not so imminent that deadly force (a shotgun, I think) was called for.
Different states, different laws but the case you mentioned the kids father walked down the driveway and capped the kid. No warning or anything.
 
jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2673595
ah more racism charges. Love it! Just love it.
How was that racist? I agree with what he said and I firmly believe that if he was black the people were white he'd be in prison or on death row.
Also, this guy gave a warning and shot in less then a second...actually, it sounded to me as if he gave the warning and shot the gun at the same time.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Being afraid and feeling threatened is two different things.
If I am standing in my yard with a shotgun and a rattle snake starts crawling at me I am not going to feel afraid but I would feel threatened and blast it.
 
jmick

jmick

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Minorities overrepresented in Texas prisons, report says
The Associated Press
AUSTIN - More than 70 percent of inmates in Texas prisons are black or Latino, nearly doubling their percentage of the general population, according to a report released Thursday.
The report by the Washington, D.C-based Justice Policy Institute found that blacks are sent to prison at a rate five times higher that whites in Texas. Latinos were incarcerated at twice the rate of whites, the report said.
Gary Bledsoe, state director of the Texas National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said spending more money on education and health care would help people avoid the crimes that send them to prison.
"We must shift some of the funding away from locking people up and begin to send a direct message that in this nation, in this state, each person is accorded the same opportunities for success without regards to race," Bledsoe said.
The report found that Latinos have a rapidly increasing presence in Texas prisons. In 2002, Latinos represented the greatest share of new admissions (34 percent) but had the smallest percentage of inmates released (26 percent).
Ana Yanez-Correa of the League of United Latin American Citizens said the state should move to create more treatment and community programs that might help keep some defendants from going to prison.
"We need to be smart on crime, rather than tough on crime," she said. "Our legislators should support pro-family criminal justice policies that unite families, save taxpayers' money and improve the safety of our communities."
 
jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2673627
Being afraid and feeling threatened is two different things.
If I am standing in my yard with a shotgun and a rattle snake starts crawling at me I am not going to feel afraid but I would feel threatened and blast it.
That goes to show what kind of person you are. Most people would walk away and leave it alone but you don't value life so killing it would be fine. I'm glad that most people are not like you.
 
beth

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As far as I'm concerned, I wish that guy was my neighbor! Sorry, I know what it is like to be robbed, and its more than just loosing property.
While he'll have to live with killing 2 people, he shouldn't feel like he was wrong about it. I heard the tapes and he didn't sound like a vigilante to me. He sounded like someone who wanted to stop an outrage that was going on at his neighbor's home.
And, fellow members, please refrain from personal attacks. This is a discussion, and shouldn't rise to the level of personal affronts.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2673631
That goes to show what kind of person you are. Most people would walk away and leave it alone but you don't value life so killing it would be fine. I'm glad that most people are not like you.
You want a rattle snake hanging out in you back yard. I sure hope you don't have kids. You are too irresponsible to be trusted to raise a child if you think a poisonous snake should just be left to wander where they might be playing
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2673628
Minorities overrepresented in Texas prisons, report says
The Associated Press
AUSTIN - More than 70 percent of inmates in Texas prisons are black or Latino, nearly doubling their percentage of the general population, according to a report released Thursday.
The report by the Washington, D.C-based Justice Policy Institute found that blacks are sent to prison at a rate five times higher that whites in Texas. Latinos were incarcerated at twice the rate of whites, the report said.
Gary Bledsoe, state director of the Texas National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said spending more money on education and health care would help people avoid the crimes that send them to prison.
"We must shift some of the funding away from locking people up and begin to send a direct message that in this nation, in this state, each person is accorded the same opportunities for success without regards to race," Bledsoe said.
The report found that Latinos have a rapidly increasing presence in Texas prisons. In 2002, Latinos represented the greatest share of new admissions (34 percent) but had the smallest percentage of inmates released (26 percent).
Ana Yanez-Correa of the League of United Latin American Citizens said the state should move to create more treatment and community programs that might help keep some defendants from going to prison.
"We need to be smart on crime, rather than tough on crime," she said. "Our legislators should support pro-family criminal justice policies that unite families, save taxpayers' money and improve the safety of our communities."
Urban areas which tend t have high minority populations have migher crime rates than rural areas which tend to be white. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone that minorities are a larger percentage of the jail population.
 
jmick

jmick

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I thought this was interesting as well...
Of the close to 268 death row inmates who have been executed in Texas since the death penalty was reinstated, 80 percent were convicted of crimes involving white victims. None of them were whites convicted of killing blacks. Of the 26 condemned juvenile offenders on death row in Texas, 11 are African-American, 10 are Hispanics and 4 are white.
The execution of young men like Napoleon Beazley—convicted and sentenced to death for crimes committed when they were teenagers—is sanctioned in 22 of the 38 states that continue to practice capital punishment in the US. In addition to the appeal for clemency from the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles, Beazley’s lawyers are also petitioning the US Supreme Court to reconsider whether execution of juvenile offenders violates the Eighth Amendment to the US Constitution, which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.
If Napoleon Beazley’s execution is allowed to proceed next week it will be met with outrage the world over by death-penalty opponents and human rights groups, as well as revulsion among growing numbers within the US population who oppose the barbaric practice.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2673652
I thought this was interesting as well...
Of the close to 268 death row inmates who have been executed in Texas since the death penalty was reinstated, 80 percent were convicted of crimes involving white victims. None of them were whites convicted of killing blacks. Of the 26 condemned juvenile offenders on death row in Texas, 11 are African-American, 10 are Hispanics and 4 are white.
The execution of young men like Napoleon Beazley—convicted and sentenced to death for crimes committed when they were teenagers—is sanctioned in 22 of the 38 states that continue to practice capital punishment in the US. In addition to the appeal for clemency from the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles, Beazley’s lawyers are also petitioning the US Supreme Court to reconsider whether execution of juvenile offenders violates the Eighth Amendment to the US Constitution, which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.
If Napoleon Beazley’s execution is allowed to proceed next week it will be met with outrage the world over by death-penalty opponents and human rights groups, as well as revulsion among growing numbers within the US population who oppose the barbaric practice.
Kinda an irrational argument being made there. What percentage of the Texas population is white?
 
geridoc

geridoc

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2673618
To save tax dollars.
This is a new legal theory - kill citizens to save money. Great idea - we could poison the water and save millions! I think I'll stop there before I say something I'll regret.
 
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