Texas man cleared of shooting neighbor's robber

[jmick]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2673643
You want a rattle snake hanging out in you back yard. I sure hope you don't have kids. You are too irresponsible to be trusted to raise a child if you think a poisonous snake should just be left to wander where they might be playing
I'd think that blasting it with your kids around would be the irresponsible thing to do. Most people would catch and release it in another area or simply play in the front yard rather then kill it...or is that a Texas thing as well

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2673611
How was that racist? I agree with what he said and I firmly believe that if he was black the people were white he'd be in prison or on death row.
Also, this guy gave a warning and shot in less then a second...actually, it sounded to me as if he gave the warning and shot the gun at the same time.
He is as you are insinuating that black people are unfairly targeted and judged more harshly. That is a charge of racism. In a situation that had nothing to do with it, I feel that it distracts from the issue at hand. You may or may not agree with his decision or the decision of the grand jury. And that is a topic for debate, but soiling the debate arguing that your peers are racist is just silly. The simple fact that Obama is a presidential nominee is proof that Americans as a whole are not racist.
I do think there was racism in this case, but I think that some black people have labled this guy as a (to borrow a term from one the presidential candidates) as typical racist white man. And allowing their prejudice skew their judgement in this case.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2673640
As far as I'm concerned, I wish that guy was my neighbor! Sorry, I know what it is like to be robbed, and its more than just loosing property.
While he'll have to live with killing 2 people, he shouldn't feel like he was wrong about it. I heard the tapes and he didn't sound like a vigilante to me. He sounded like someone who wanted to stop an outrage that was going on at his neighbor's home.
And, fellow members, please refrain from personal attacks. This is a discussion, and shouldn't rise to the level of personal affronts.
Attacking Texas imo is a personal attack.
Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2673698
This is a new legal theory - kill citizens to save money. Great idea - we could poison the water and save millions! I think I'll stop there before I say something I'll regret.
That was a little sarcasm I would think
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2673716
I'd think that blasting it with your kids around would be the irresponsible thing to do. Most people would catch and release it in another area or simply play in the front yard rather then kill it...or is that a Texas thing as well

Whatever, you've never gone shooting with your kids? And you'd let a rattler live around your kids? That is ridiculous. You know in an adult you have about 3 hours before you die from a rattle snake bite. That is much lower in kids.

 

[vinnyraptor]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2673643
You want a rattle snake hanging out in you back yard. I sure hope you don't have kids. You are too irresponsible to be trusted to raise a child if you think a poisonous snake should just be left to wander where they might be playing
if a rattlesnake is in "your" yard guess what its not your yard! the rattlesnake was there WAY before you. thats his land, his habitat, and his proporty. have him safely removed and rereleased and if someone gets bit take them for an anti venom shot and consider it a lesson in nature and the respect for it.

 

[bronco300]

has anyone watched the video with mr horn and the police touring what happened...those guys would have been right there in front of him, i can't imagine not being scared when you go to turn the corner to see whats going on and boom, they're only 5yds away and could run and be on you within a couple seconds(which is how long it took from him warning them and shooting)....even if he went out thinking he is going to stop these crooks, that'd still put quite a beat on my heart...he says on the tap "this is scary..."
and the death threat left on the DA's voicemail...i can't imagine the fear he has now everyday..."they waiting in prision, and we waitin' him on the outside.."

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2673743
if a rattlesnake is in "your" yard guess what its not your yard! the rattlesnake was there WAY before you. thats his land, his habitat, and his proporty. have him safely removed and rereleased and if someone gets bit take them for an anti venom shot and consider it a lesson in nature and the respect for it.
Well you know that whole survival of the fittest thing that darwin proposed... Well I'm fitter than the rattle stake and this is now my habitat...

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Bronco300
http:///forum/post/2673745
has anyone watched the video with mr horn and the police touring what happened...those guys would have been right there in front of him, i can't imagine not being scared when you go to turn the corner to see whats going on and boom, they're only 5yds away and could run and be on you within a couple seconds(which is how long it took from him warning them and shooting)....even if he went out thinking he is going to stop these crooks, that'd still put quite a beat on my heart...he says on the tap "this is scary..."
and the death threat left on the DA's voicemail...i can't imagine the fear he has now everyday..."they waiting in prision, and we waitin' him on the outside.."
That is a good point, you knock the amount of warning he gave, 10 feet is 3 steps if the guys are fit, and that can be covered in less than a second. That may have been all the time he had.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2673698
This is a new legal theory - kill citizens to save money. Great idea - we could poison the water and save millions! I think I'll stop there before I say something I'll regret.
Like what?
I'm sick of not being able to fight back. If my kids defend themselves at school, they are also in trouble. Not the instigator. If I defend myself, I'm in trouble.
I'm sick and tired of liberal judges and legislators felling sorry for those who commit illegal acts. They make every excuse in the book. No one but those 2 men put them in a situation which lead to their deaths. They made a bad decision, not Horn. If they had stayed in their own country they would not be dead would they?
These illegals would have been let go like in San Fransico:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/po...0,256501.story
When are we going to stand up and fight for what's right? Maybe if more bad guys got plugged, the rest would think twice about robbing houses. Yes, less money would be spent on prisons, and the courts where bad guys get more than justice.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2673881
Like what?
I'm sick of not being able to fight back. If my kids defend themselves at school, they are also in trouble. Not the instigator. If I defend myself, I'm in trouble.
I'm sick and tired of liberal judges and legislators felling sorry for those who commit illegal acts. They make every excuse in the book. No one but those 2 men put them in a situation which lead to their deaths. They made a bad decision, not Horn. If they had stayed in their own country they would not be dead would they?
These illegals would have been let go like in San Fransico:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/po...0,256501.story
When are we going to stand up and fight for what's right? Maybe if more bad guys got plugged, the rest would think twice about robbing houses. Yes, less money would be spent on prisons, and the courts where bad guys get more than justice.
Yet...in Texas, where they do put criminals to death legally and casually (ala Mr. Horn) the incarceration rate is sky high and growing explosively, so killing doesn't seem to be the solution to crime. I'm not saying you can't fight back - I'm saying there are reasonable limits on that fight, and it was Mr. Horn who put himself in the precarious position, so it is unreasonable to maintain that whatever he did was a good thing.
You imply that they deserved what they got because they were illegal immigrants. Would you then say that Horn would have been wrong if he shot god ole boys who could trace their lineage to Santa Ana? I'm not sure what you mean about illegals?

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2673935
You imply that they deserved what they got because they were illegal immigrants. Would you then say that Horn would have been wrong if he shot god ole boys who could trace their lineage to Santa Ana? I'm not sure what you mean about illegals?
No, they were performing illegal acts, and in the country illegally. Their poor decisions lead to their deaths.
Illegal immigrants are that, illegal. You want to enter the country legally, then I will welcome you as a brother, no matter your country of origin. If you do not respect my country enough to follow the rules ( just as I have to do) then you should be handcuffed and deported.
Simple enough.

 

[jennythebugg]

we kill rattlesnakes on at least a weekly basis if we didnt there would be millions of them roaming around you just take a shovel and chop their head off with it...and ya know what if my black neighbor (ray) shot some white guy robbing my house i would be just as grateful....youre little race comment is moot

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by jennythebugg
http:///forum/post/2673969
we kill rattlesnakes on at least a weekly basis if we didnt there would be millions of them roaming around you just take a shovel and chop their head off with it...and ya know what if my black neighbor (ray) shot some white guy robbing my house i would be just as grateful....youre little race comment is moot
It is moot, but is one of the talking points. If you are for protecting our borders, and upholding the law you are racist, and a xenophobe.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2673881
Like what?
I'm sick of not being able to fight back. If my kids defend themselves at school, they are also in trouble. Not the instigator. If I defend myself, I'm in trouble.
I'm sick and tired of liberal judges and legislators felling sorry for those who commit illegal acts. They make every excuse in the book. No one but those 2 men put them in a situation which lead to their deaths. They made a bad decision, not Horn. If they had stayed in their own country they would not be dead would they?
These illegals would have been let go like in San Fransico:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/po...0,256501.story
When are we going to stand up and fight for what's right? Maybe if more bad guys got plugged, the rest would think twice about robbing houses. Yes, less money would be spent on prisons, and the courts where bad guys get more than justice.
Who are you kidding? You're a doctor, you don't live in an area where there's crime unless you choose to and for you to complain about not being able to protect yourself is comical at best. I'm trying to figure out who you are trying to fight back against?
Do you really feel that the bad guys get more justice?
What's the deal with the illegals, why are you making such a big deal out of that?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2673716
I'd think that blasting it with your kids around would be the irresponsible thing to do. Most people would catch and release it in another area or simply play in the front yard rather then kill it...or is that a Texas thing as well

You must not know many people who live in areas with rattlesnakes. First of all most of us who have firearms (THE VP excluded

) understand that you don't shoot until you know what's in the potential path of the shot. Second rattlesnakes don't just sit back and let you catch them. More than a few people have been nailed trying to catch one. Third you would be crazy to just send the kids out front and assume mr. snake is going to scurry away never to be seen again.
I've come accross a few rattlers in my dirtbike days out in the desert. Never crossed my mind to shoot or otherwise harass one there. Thats their yard.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2673743
if a rattlesnake is in "your" yard guess what its not your yard! the rattlesnake was there WAY before you. thats his land, his habitat, and his proporty. have him safely removed and rereleased and if someone gets bit take them for an anti venom shot and consider it a lesson in nature and the respect for it.
LOL, WAS his land. I will leave it up to someone else to play snake hero. If I saw one in my yard I would eleminate it. If it was trapped someplace where I knew it couldn't escape I would call someone to come grab it. There is no way I would knowingly let a poisonous snake roam around my yard.

 

[jennythebugg]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2674112
LOL, WAS his land. I will leave it up to someone else to play snake hero. If I saw one in my yard I would eleminate it. If it was trapped someplace where I knew it couldn't escape I would call someone to come grab it. There is no way I would knowingly let a poisonous snake roam around my yard.
yeah i know we get them all the time cut off their heads or light them on fire if its a den of them... like anyone would want to put a leash on it and make it a little jacket for it to wear

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2673698
This is a new legal theory - kill citizens to save money. Great idea - we could poison the water and save millions! I think I'll stop there before I say something I'll regret.
Just wanted to point out they weren't citizens. Carry on.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2673984
Who are you kidding? You're a doctor, you don't live in an area where there's crime unless you choose to and for you to complain about not being able to protect yourself is comical at best. I'm trying to figure out who you are trying to fight back against?
Do you really feel that the bad guys get more justice?
What's the deal with the illegals, why are you making such a big deal out of that?

The fact they are illegal is even further out in the weeds than the snake

Them being illegal just demonstrates the need to tighten the border security so less of these types can get into the country.
Criminals don't get more justice but they are treated far too good. They should get a cell, a bed and 3 meals of passable food a day. If they want to exercize we shouldn't have to supply them with tens of thousands of dollars worth of gym equipment, put them on a chain gang. At least make it like that at the beginning of the sentence and make them earn additional privilages through good time.
When these guys get out of jail we want them telling their buddies how miserable it was. I've known three people that did time well enough to talk to them about it. All three were one time wonders so they had no idea how to work the sytem. They all said it sucked but it was nothing near as bad as they thought it would be. Once people have been in a while they can get just about anything they want.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2673561
why were they shot in the back then? he went out there with the intention on delivering his brand of justice. i heard the 911 call. he wasnt afraid at all, the dispatcher said to him "if you go out there you gonna get yourself killed, Mr. Horn replied "you wanna bet" i believe the two crooks were gonna go over there and rough Mr. Horn up but when they saw he had a gun tried to run ....
At the point where they advanced on him they became fair game...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2673652
...
The execution of young men like Napoleon Beazley—convicted and sentenced to death for crimes committed when they were teenagers—is sanctioned in 22 of the 38 states that continue to practice capital punishment in the US. In addition to the appeal for clemency from the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles, Beazley’s lawyers are also petitioning the US Supreme Court to reconsider whether execution of juvenile offenders violates the Eighth Amendment to the US Constitution, which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.
If Napoleon Beazley’s execution is allowed to proceed next week it will be met with outrage the world over by death-penalty opponents and human rights groups, as well as revulsion among growing numbers within the US population who oppose the barbaric practice.
First off, Beazley has already shed his mortal coil... thanks to the Texas Dept of Corrections.
You really should research your champions a bit beter Jmick. Here is a synopsis of good ole Napoleon.
"In April, Beazley, then 17, borrowed his mother's car and drove with two other youths to Tyler, Texas. Beazley's friend, Cedric Coleman, drove, and Cedric's younger brother, Donald, went with them. They saw a Mercedes in a restaurant parking lot. Beazley jumped out of his car, armed with a .45-caliber pistol, and approached the driver of the Mercedes. The man entered the restaurant, apparently without noticing Beazley.
Beazley got back in the car and the group began driving back home. However, according to trial testimony, Beazley told Cedric Coleman to turn back so he could shoot the driver and steal the Mercedes. Coleman pulled the car over and told Beazley he would have to do his own driving, so Beazley took the wheel.
As the group approached Tyler for the second time, Beazley spotted a 1987 Mercedes Benz. Beazley followed the car until it pulled into the garage of a house. He then got out of his car and ran to the driver's side of the Mercedes. He fired one round from his .45, hitting John E. Luttig, 63, in the head. He then ran around to the passenger's side, where Bobbie Luttig was getting out of the vehicle. He fired at her and, though he missed, she fell to the ground. Beazley then returned to Mr. Luttig, saw that he was still alive in the driver's seat, and fired again at his head at close range.
While Beazley was looking for the keys, he asked Donald Coleman, who was carrying Beazley's sawed-off shotgun, whether Mrs. Luttig was dead. When Donald said she was still moving, Beazley shouted for him to shoot her, but he refused. Beazley then began to come around to shoot her, but Donald quickly changed his statement and said that she was dead....A model prisoner during his eight years on death row, Beazley said that he was no longer a threat to anyone and could prove that he had changed. ...At his execution, the warden asked Beazley if he wanted to make a last statement. Beazley turned his head towards Suzanne Luttig, the victim's daughter, paused, and said "no." He shook his head, said, "no" again, and then turned his head to face the ceiling. He was pronounced dead at 6:17 p.m.... "
Sounds like he should be nominated for Sainthood...